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I may be paying to much attention to rumors, but I am worried for the codex updates. For instance, the Eldar got an update for their codex within 2 years after their last update. I am worried that GW will update the codices too early.
Another reason I worry is that I play Guard, and I am worry for a update that occurs too soon.

Disregard,

Your fears are not unjustified or unique, there appears to be growing concern about codex update rate (that is, updating codexes without any goal actually fixing them, just mixing up rules). I don't expect that this problem will be going away any time soon though.

Instead of fearing change, why not... embrace it?



Tau will probably get a new one this year and I'm apprehensive, but not fearful

I only play in a limited group so no pick up games or tournies so we wouldn't care about having to update to a newer edition. My first bought codex of the recent era was harlequins and since then I picked up new Eldar and Dark Eldar. I was planning on getting the DA codex instead of just using my downloaded version, but will wait til it's updated which looks to be soon..

 Vector Strike wrote:
Instead of fearing change, why not... embrace it?



Tau will probably get a new one this year and I'm apprehensive, but not fearful

I'm not fearful, I just don't want to throw away $50 on a nearly completely recycled codex. As the releases speed up, there is only so much they can change. Heck, with the Necrons and Grey Knights, we saw the beginnings of codexes being released with no new models, just mostly rehashed content (Sisters don't count).

The belief that GW would get everything in hardback and hold off was naive and willfully blind to how GW treats their books- as an easy cash supplement to their models, requiring very little work and reasonable ROI (*especially* with the digital content!)

What if all the books got updated in the next month? And they are all eldar level powerful, then they are all balanced

 Great White wrote:
What if all the books got updated in the next month? And they are all eldar level powerful, then they are all balanced

What if they are not? Come on you really believe Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines are going to be on that power level?

 Vector Strike wrote:
Tau will probably get a new one this year and I'm apprehensive, but not fearful

You should be. Literally whatever they decide to do with the Tau codex is going to be bad for you. Either they're made unplayable, or the book is a lateral shift in which case no one will play with you because they'll still be considered to be too good, or they get Eldar treatment and might as well be unplayable anyway.

 Accolade wrote:
The belief that GW would get everything in hardback and hold off was naive and willfully blind to how GW treats their books- as an easy cash supplement to their models, requiring very little work and reasonable ROI (*especially* with the digital content!)

I still remember that old rumor and laugh, the one where someone claimed that GW was "done" with 6th edition. After every army got it's hardcover update they would stop updating codices altogether and make money off existing players by going ham on supplements, campaigns, etc.

If every codex got powered up like the Eldar list then everything would be stupidly OP and vehicles would cease to function under current 7th Edition rules. Which would necessitate an 8th edition which would cause probably 1/8th to 1/10th of the 40k community to quit because the new edition JUST CAME OUT!

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Tau will probably get a new one this year and I'm apprehensive, but not fearful

You should be. Literally whatever they decide to do with the Tau codex is going to be bad for you. Either they're made unplayable, or the book is a lateral shift in which case no one will play with you because they'll still be considered to be too good, or they get Eldar treatment and might as well be unplayable anyway.

eeh, people still play with me. I don't field three Riptides, though. A lateral shift would be nice.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
If every codex got powered up like the Eldar list then everything would be stupidly OP and vehicles would cease to function under current 7th Edition rules. Which would necessitate an 8th edition which would cause probably 1/8th to 1/10th of the 40k community to quit because the new edition JUST CAME OUT!

I'd be fine with that. Vehicles already suck almost as bad as in 2nd. The game is, many ways, very similar to 2nd ed now.

This is one of my main issues with GW and both Fantasy and 40k. Some codexs get updated very quickly while some haven't been updated in 10+ years. I'm of the mind set that they should only put out a new codex within the first few months of a new edition release and then update it as needed during the life of that edition. That means every codex, not just "popular" groups. I'm looking at the Sisters for 40k and the Bretonnian's for Fantasy. I've been playing both for about 10 years now, with multiple game versions for each one. Both of those armies still use the same codex they used when I started playing. It's actually the reason I abandoned Bretonnia for my Fantasy army, it's horribly outdated.

Got to love GWs logic. Nobody plays these armies because they haven't been updated in years but GW won't update the armies because nobody plays them.

I think most people in the 40k community realize GW has no idea what they are doing with rules anymore.

There's clearly no playtesting before new stuff comes out. The rapid rate stuff is turning over means a book I bought what, like, 2 years ago is already collecting dust forever before I've had the chance to expand the army beyond a few units?

The sad part is, the rules stuff makes them tons of money and there's little work involved. So they aren't going to learn it's an unsustainable business practice until it's too late.

Honestly I feel like the rules for the game need to be completely free, and updated/tweaked bi-weekly. Pretty much what happens with massive video games. This is also a fool's errand to think this would ever happen, but a man can dream. It's the only way the game portion of the hobby could remain relevant in the wake of newer, better games flooding the marketplace.

I suspect that the thinking behind such a recent re-release of the eldar is that it was technically still a 6th edition book rather than a 7th. Just like the 'crons were technically a 5th edition book. Maybe they're just trying to make everything be 7th edition?

The rapid release schedule is a mixed bag. On one hand, you get larger-than-normal problems with balance or typos. On the other hand, harlies and skitarii would never have come out without the rapid releases.

At one point I played four armies actively. I've had to cut back, since I just can't afford to keep up with the codex release schedule. I'm even considering selling my Space Marines (my primary army for so long!) rather than buying the new book.

Alternatively, maybe a new, shinier DE book is on the horizon for 2016. So, silver lining.

Davor wrote:

 Great White wrote:
What if all the books got updated in the next month? And they are all eldar level powerful, then they are all balanced

What if they are not? Come on you really believe Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines are going to be on that power level?

I guess that this will never happen. At least for DA.
CSM on the other hand had a decent 3.5 codex.
All others were garbage.

 Accolade wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Instead of fearing change, why not... embrace it?



Tau will probably get a new one this year and I'm apprehensive, but not fearful

I'm not fearful, I just don't want to throw away $50 on a nearly completely recycled codex. As the releases speed up, there is only so much they can change. Heck, with the Necrons and Grey Knights, we saw the beginnings of codexes being released with no new models, just mostly rehashed content (Sisters don't count).

The belief that GW would get everything in hardback and hold off was naive and willfully blind to how GW treats their books- as an easy cash supplement to their models, requiring very little work and reasonable ROI (*especially* with the digital content!)

In the age of the internet, you don't really have to throw away money on codices.

Rapid firing new codices is making me wanting to spend money on them less and less. £30 for a book is okay if you expect it to last several years, my WM MkII book is a few years old. I want it to last longer than two years though.

Zsolt wrote:

Spoiler:

 Accolade wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Instead of fearing change, why not... embrace it?



Tau will probably get a new one this year and I'm apprehensive, but not fearful

I'm not fearful, I just don't want to throw away $50 on a nearly completely recycled codex. As the releases speed up, there is only so much they can change. Heck, with the Necrons and Grey Knights, we saw the beginnings of codexes being released with no new models, just mostly rehashed content (Sisters don't count).

The belief that GW would get everything in hardback and hold off was naive and willfully blind to how GW treats their books- as an easy cash supplement to their models, requiring very little work and reasonable ROI (*especially* with the digital content!)

In the age of the internet, you don't really have to throw away money on codices.

Sure, I suppose you can always steal them. But I was more focused on the more ethically-minded approach.

This worry is alien to me. It'd be fething nice if they'd update my codex and provide new models that quickly.

Hey, come one, it did not took them that long between the stupid WDex and the stupid Digidex ^^.

Neither of them had plastics though.


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I think 7th edition is GW Troll Edition. After all people were crying, CRYING for Necron and Eldar change. So what did GW do? They gave the people what they were crying about. Necrons scarabs? Nerfed. Eldar Tank Spam? Nerfed. Thing is GW made them more powerful. It's like them saying, "you crying about this? Well fine we will give you what you want, but will show you Over Powered. )

So what are people crying about Tau? That will be nerfed for sure. I am sure though something else will come up and make people really loose their minds.

For Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines? GW will say "you complaining you are under powered and bland? We will show you under powered and bland." Maybe next time you will be happy with the 6th edition codex.

So what people complain is over powered will be toned down but something else will make people scream WTF?!

In other words be careful for what you wish for. You just might get it. Also you might get something you were not expecting as well and you will be crying/complaining even more.

Davor wrote:
I think 7th edition is GW Troll Edition. After all people were crying, CRYING for Necron and Eldar change. So what did GW do? They gave the people what they were crying about. Necrons scarabs? Nerfed. Eldar Tank Spam? Nerfed. Thing is GW made them more powerful. It's like them saying, "you crying about this? Well fine we will give you what you want, but will show you Over Powered. )

So what are people crying about Tau? That will be nerfed for sure. I am sure though something else will come up and make people really loose their minds.

For Dark Angels and Chaos Space Marines? GW will say "you complaining you are under powered and bland? We will show you under powered and bland." Maybe next time you will be happy with the 6th edition codex.

So what people complain is over powered will be toned down but something else will make people scream WTF?!

In other words be careful for what you wish for. You just might get it. Also you might get something you were not expecting as well and you will be crying/complaining even more.

So your argument is that this multinational company runs itself like a petulant child? I mean, I am not disagreeing with you at all, I just want to make sure that is what you are saying. From the tone of your post it seems like you are blaming people who are unhappy that the product they are purchasing is of an increasingly poor quality.

 Accolade wrote:

Zsolt wrote:

Spoiler:

 Accolade wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Instead of fearing change, why not... embrace it?



Tau will probably get a new one this year and I'm apprehensive, but not fearful

I'm not fearful, I just don't want to throw away $50 on a nearly completely recycled codex. As the releases speed up, there is only so much they can change. Heck, with the Necrons and Grey Knights, we saw the beginnings of codexes being released with no new models, just mostly rehashed content (Sisters don't count).

The belief that GW would get everything in hardback and hold off was naive and willfully blind to how GW treats their books- as an easy cash supplement to their models, requiring very little work and reasonable ROI (*especially* with the digital content!)

In the age of the internet, you don't really have to throw away money on codices.

Sure, I suppose you can always steal them. But I was more focused on the more ethically-minded approach.

Throwing money at a recycled and soulless rehash of a product you already own, and thereby supporting an exploitative and uncaring business model, is ethical?

If you say so. I prefer to let my wallet do the talking, rather than paradoxically buying new codices but continuing to complain about them at the same time.

GW haven't got a penny for books from me in a long time - Not that I feel bad about this, I paid for the books back in 2nd and 3rd edition, and 3/4 of the remaining content is exactly the same!
The fluff is now non existent, no notes on tactics, no notes on modeling, an obvious lack of play testing, a sore lack of a proof reading and day 1 FAQs, & limited new artwork. A soulless catalog of the latest plastic crack for the bargain price of nearly 400% more than a 3rd edition codex.

If you have come into the hobby in more recent editions, I highly recommend trying to find an old 3rd edition codex to see what I'm talking about.

If I continued to actually buy the poop that GW passes as a codex these days, then I would definitely be worried by the current trend.

As it is, I attain the rules through other means and continue to look on, hoping that reduced sales cause GW to show some kind of logic and respect in its own product again.

 Big Blind Bill wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

Zsolt wrote:

Spoiler:

 Accolade wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Instead of fearing change, why not... embrace it?



Tau will probably get a new one this year and I'm apprehensive, but not fearful

I'm not fearful, I just don't want to throw away $50 on a nearly completely recycled codex. As the releases speed up, there is only so much they can change. Heck, with the Necrons and Grey Knights, we saw the beginnings of codexes being released with no new models, just mostly rehashed content (Sisters don't count).

The belief that GW would get everything in hardback and hold off was naive and willfully blind to how GW treats their books- as an easy cash supplement to their models, requiring very little work and reasonable ROI (*especially* with the digital content!)

In the age of the internet, you don't really have to throw away money on codices.

Sure, I suppose you can always steal them. But I was more focused on the more ethically-minded approach.

Throwing money at a recycled and soulless rehash of a product you already own, and thereby supporting an exploitative and uncaring business model, is ethical?

If you say so. I prefer to let my wallet do the talking, rather than paradoxically buying new codices but continuing to complain about them at the same time.

GW haven't got a penny for books from me in a long time - Not that I feel bad about this, I paid for the books back in 2nd and 3rd edition, and 3/4 of the remaining content is exactly the same!
The fluff is now non existent, no notes on tactics, no notes on modeling, an obvious lack of play testing, a sore lack of a proof reading and day 1 FAQs, & limited new artwork. A soulless catalog of the latest plastic crack for the bargain price of nearly 400% more than a 3rd edition codex.

If you have come into the hobby in more recent editions, I highly recommend trying to find an old 3rd edition codex to see what I'm talking about.

If I continued to actually buy the poop that GW passes as a codex these days, then I would definitely be worried by the current trend.

As it is, I attain the rules through other means and continue to look on, hoping that reduced sales cause GW to show some kind of logic and respect in its own product again.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting here begrudgingly buying these books by some ethical principle. I stopped with 6th (although I did buy the most recent DE book to see how it was), and I will most likely go to playing 3rd or 5th edition if I can get people into it. I just think people use the whole "oh, you can just get the books offline" as some sort of positive aspect of GW/40k, which is the equivalent of saying "oh, don't like the prices of GW products? Well don't worry, You can just steal them off the internet. Isn't GW great?"

Ripping these things from the internet is not unique to any gaming system, so I generally ignore that point as being a positive of the game in question.

 Melissia wrote:
Neither of them had plastics though.

I kind of noticed that too, you know .

 Harriticus wrote:

I cannot exalt this enough.