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**Ffyllotek**

/shutting up now

**SilverDevilfish**

They may not be able to have a 3+ but one of the Crypteks could have a 2+ Armour Save via the Nightmare Shroud.

**Brennonjw**

I tend to beat them as marines, guard, and inquisition fairly regularly. I think your post was quickly after you got beat, either that or people are relying on super heavies too much.

**krodarklorr**

Brennonjw wrote:
I tend to beat them as marines, guard, and inquisition fairly regularly. I think your post was quickly after you got beat, either that or people are relying on super heavies too much.

In all fairness, my friends have all fought me numerous times and I've used a variety of lists. They still don't ever want to fight Newcrons.

**Xerics**

Nightbtinger is also only T7. Not that D weapons care about your T or armor saves >.>

**nosferatu1001**

Xerics wrote:
Nightbtinger is also only T7. Not that D weapons care about your T or armor saves >.>

Godshackle. Ups S and T by 1

Its the rerolling ones on RP from Mephrit that just clinches it - 4++/5+ FNP / 4+ RP rerrolling ones is brutal.

**Waaghboss Grobnub**

Overlord Thraka wrote:
Throwing in my 1st and ond only as of yet experiance with the new dex.

Decurion formation, maybe not 100% optimized. Probably could have a done a bit better with the list. But my orks smashed the 'crons into the floor. Utterly. No contest. Necrons got dunked. No lychguard. But plenty of Immortals and Wraiths and "Powerful" things in the list.

I had 45 Lootas, warboss MA DLS, x5 Megas, and the rest boyz. 2000 pts. Smashed him into the ground. Had a sorta game that went unfinshed in which his Necrons did ok. They were still gonna lose but they did a little better

I almost managed to table a quite decent Cron list at turn 2 (i went first) I managed it in turn 4 eventually... Damn Night Scythes are a real pain sometimes

My Bully boyz just smashed the crap out of those necrons. My bikers were doing great as well! Holding their own against wraiths... idk how they managed that but ok. And yeah.. lootas just devastate all those AV 13 vehicles and AS4 warriors...

**Furyou Miko**

SilverDevilfish wrote:
They may not be able to have a 3+ but one of the Crypteks could have a 2+ Armour Save via the Nightmare Shroud.

Not if they're using the God Shackle, they can't. Mephrit relics OR generic relics.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Furyou Miko wrote:
SilverDevilfish wrote:
They may not be able to have a 3+ but one of the Crypteks could have a 2+ Armour Save via the Nightmare Shroud.

Not if they're using the God Shackle, they can't. Mephrit relics OR generic relics.

RAW that isn't actually the case.

Thank GW for releasing the campaign before the codex. If they'd released the codex first no doubt they'd have the same restriction the BA campaign relics do.

**Furyou Miko**

Huh.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Yeah... it's weird.

Honestly if GW was still in the business of FAQs they probably would've FAQed it soon after they released the codex.

**SilverDevilfish**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Huh.

At the time the Necrons had no relic list. So instead of spoiling the new Necron codex, that everyone and their dog had figured out was coming, they wrote the Mephrit relics without the "these or the rulebook" restriction.

Also nosferatu:
How is a formation getting a benefit from an FoC? Nevermind the fact that Crownworld Reawakened only applies to Troops.

Also fun fact, despite clearly being an FoC the Crownworld Reawakened rule in the digital version of Exterminatus refers to the Mephrit Dynasty Cohort as a formation.