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**Tannhauser42**

Can't watch the vid at work, I'm guessing she said she would give them all layoffs?

Anyway, the problem with any solution to the ISIS problem is to make sure their children don't create ISIS2 10 years later because they grow up hating us.

It's sad, really. Once upon a time, the Middle East was the beacon of art, science, and rational thought while Europe was killing each other in the name of God.

**Frazzled**

Can't open either. Same reason.

**Soladrin**

Who's that woman?

**whembly**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Can't watch the vid at work, I'm guessing she said she would give them all layoffs?

Ya know... I never got this criticism. Is it because she's a CEO? Because CEO does this all the time.

REmember, this was the time when they merged with Compaq. Mergers & Acquisitions is fugly, but necessary business.

Anyhoo... if you wanna discuss this further, come to my Political Junkie thread.

Anyway, the problem with any solution to the ISIS problem is to make sure their children don't create ISIS2 10 years later because they grow up hating us.

It's sad, really. Once upon a time, the Middle East was the beacon of art, science, and rational thought while Europe was killing each other in the name of God.

Sorry... pullled it off my twittah... here's a site with the transcript:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2015/05/27/carly-fiorina-runs-circles-around-andrea-mitchell-blasts-hillary

ANDREA MITCHELL: Southern strategy. Hillary Clinton is in South Carolina for the first time since an epic defeat to Barack Obama in 2008. But she's being shadowed by the only woman in the Republican race.

12:17 PM ET SEGMENT:

ANDREA MITCHELL: And joining me now is Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina, who is here in South Carolina as well today. Ms. Fiorina, thank you very much for being with us.

CARLY FIORINA: It's great to be with you, Andrea.

MITCHELL: You were really the breakout star according to all reports from Iowa last weekend, the biggest crowds, especially when you went after Hillary Clinton. Is that because you’re the only woman in the Republican field, that you feel enabled to go after her? Or what is the strategy here?

FIORINA: You know, it's interesting. I come from a world where titles are just titles and talk is just talk. You know, it's only in politics where titles and words mean a lot. In the rest of the world, it's actually about, “What have you done?” Actions speak louder than words. People want to know are your words and your actions consistent and are they consistent over time?

And so, I think when 82% of the American people now believe that there is a professional political class more interested in preserving its own power and privilege than it is in serving the American people, people expect basic questions to be asked of anyone running for president. “What have you done? Are you trustworthy? Are you transparent? Will you answer questions?”

MITCHELL She's had a lifetime, though, in public service.

FIORINA: Yes, she has.

MITCHELL: Going back to before she was first lady in Arkansas. She can argue that she's got a record on women's issues, from the Beijing Women's Conference to all of her work with the Children's Defense Fund going up through the Senate, senator from New York, that’s a record. Secretary of state. How do you compare yourself to her?

FIORINA: You know, first I would say that, yes, she did – she said many wonderful things at the Beijing Women's Conference and she has without a doubt been a role model and a woman to be greatly admired by many women around the world.

It's also true that as secretary of state she took women's rights and human rights off the table for discussion with China. It's also true as secretary of state that she called Bashar al-Assad a “positive reformer.” It’s also true in 2011, when she was secretary of state, she said that Iraq was a “free, stable, sovereign nation” and now we have a nation falling apart, Iranian influence growing, ISIS growing. It’s true that she said that she could reset our Russia – our relationship with Russia and Vladimir Putin is on the march.

So I think all of those things I just named go fundamentally to what is her track record.

MITCHELL: You could also argue that a lot of Republicans in the White House and in Congress supported those policies, waged the war in Iraq.

FIORINA: Absolutely, and – that’s right. And by the way, every single Republican candidate has been asked about their vote for the war in Iraq. The one person who's not been asked that question, because she won't answer the question, is Hillary Clinton. The one person who was on the job in 2011 when Iraq started to fall apart was not the Republican nominees or candidates for president, it's Hillary Clinton. She hasn't been asked yet. What would she do now Iraq?

MITCHELL: Well, she actually was asked and she did say last week in New Hampshire that it was a mistake, her vote Iraq, she wrote that in her book. So she’s spoken of that in New Hampshire and in Iowa. You know, you're absolutely correct that she hasn't had a news conference-

FIORINA: She hasn't said what happened from 2011, when both she and President Obama declared victory in Iraq. They declared victory in Iraq in 2011. She was the secretary of state. No one is declaring victory in Iraq now. What happened? What would she do? What would she have done?

MITCHELL: What would you do now against ISIS?

FIORINA: I would do very specific things. First, instead of having a Camp David conference to talk our Arab allies into a bad deal with Iran, I would have had a Camp David conference to talk with our Arab allies about how we can support them to fight ISIS.

Let me give you very specific examples. The Kurds have been asking us to arm them for three years, we still have not. The Jordanians have been asking us to provide them with bombs and materiel. We know King Abdullah of Jordan, I’ve known him for many years, he took the appropriate leadership steps when a Jordanian pilot was burned alive. He was here in this country asking us for bombs and materiel, we haven't provided him with any of them. He's now looking to China for that. The Egyptian president, a very brave and pious Muslim, who has said there's a cancer in the heart of Islam, has asked us to share intelligence. We are not. The Turks have asked us to help them topple Bashar al-Assad, we are not. There are a whole set of things that we've been asked to do by our allies who know this is their fight and we're not doing any of them. So I would hold a summit and talk with them about that.

MITCHELL: And what about the issue of Hillary Clinton saying she represents everyday Americans? Here she's talking about equal pay. Do you support equal pay for women?

FIORINA: Of course I support equal pay for equal work. And that's why in 1963 when a law was passed guaranteeing that, if a woman is being discriminated against in the workforce purely because of her gender she should take every advantage of the law.

But I also know this, a seniority system which exists in federal government that allows a man to watch pornography all day long in the federal government and earn the same pay, pension, and benefits as a woman sitting next to him trying to do a good job, that is not equal pay for equal work. And the seniority system in the federal government that promotes that seniority system, and the unions as well, they're not willing to talk about that.

So before federal government or Hillary Clinton – who by her own measures is not paying women equally in her own office, nor is President Obama – before they lecture others, maybe they ought to look into their own offices or look into the seniority system in the federal government.

MITCHELL: Are you being discriminated against by the Republican National Committee trying to keep you and others who haven't run before, perhaps, and don't have the name identification and the poll results yet – are you being discriminated against by being kept out of the initial debate?

FIORINA: Why do you assume I'm going to be kept out? The debates are not for another 11 weeks. I’m actually glad to have a goal. I'm glad to have clarity about what it takes to get to that stage and I will work very hard to meet the goal.

MITCHELL: Thank you very much, Carly Fiorina.

FIORINA: Thank you, Andrea. Great to be with you.

MITCHELL: Thanks for being with us.

Furthermore... why AREN'T we arming the Kurds???

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Soladrin wrote:
Who's that woman?

She's currently running for the Republican Presidential Primary.

She's got spunk.

**Grey Templar**

Tannhauser42 wrote:

It's sad, really. Once upon a time, the Middle East was the beacon of art, science, and rational thought while Europe was killing each other in the name of God.

That's a bit of a incorrect assessment. Religious warfare didn't really take off in Europe till the Protastant Reformation, which was also a time of great scientific advancement in Europe and stagnation in the Middle East.

The Pope instituted the Crusades partially because of all the fighting which was going on, very little of which was religious in nature at the time. Sure, they'd burn the occasional suspected witch, but those were relatively rare occurrences, and not particularly religious in nature. Europeans had been doing that when they were pagan.

Muslims have also been fighting each other for religious reasons since the death of Muhammad. Its not a new thing.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

whembly wrote:
Furthermore... why AREN'T we arming the Kurds???

Because it would piss off the Shiah government?

**whembly**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
whembly wrote:
Furthermore... why AREN'T we arming the Kurds???

Because it would piss off the Shiah government?

Why should we care?

<--- being serious.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

whembly wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
whembly wrote:
Furthermore... why AREN'T we arming the Kurds???

Because it would piss off the Shiah government?

Why should we care?

<--- being serious.

Oh, I don't. Just positing it as a reason.

The Kurd's seem like the lesser evil of the three main groups in the area (Sunni, Shia, Kurds etc).

**Mustela**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
whembly wrote:
Furthermore... why AREN'T we arming the Kurds???

Because it would piss off the Shiah government?

It would also seriously undermine the Turkish government, historically a key ally for the U.S.

**whembly**

Mustela wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
whembly wrote:
Furthermore... why AREN'T we arming the Kurds???

Because it would piss off the Shiah government?

It would also seriously undermine the Turkish government, historically a key ally for the U.S.

Not really... the Turkish government sees ISIS as a much larger problem, and has helped the fighters:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkey-iraqi-kurdish-peshmerga-to-cross-into-syria-for-kobani-battle/

**Frazzled**

Turkey's also conveniently not stopped aid and soldiers going to ISIL, and oil/distillates being sold from ISIL. They are playing us.

**Mustela**

Frazzled wrote:
Turkey's also conveniently not stopped aid and soldiers going to ISIL, and oil/distillates being sold from ISIL. They are playing us.

Or at least they aren't a unified front. An entire country of people who are on the same page is pretty rare.

**Frazzled**

Mustela wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Turkey's also conveniently not stopped aid and soldiers going to ISIL, and oil/distillates being sold from ISIL. They are playing us.

Or at least they aren't a unified front. An entire country of people who are on the same page is pretty rare.

When your country is an active funnel for supplies, armaments, troops, monies, and contraband its more than they aren't unified. They are getting actiuve help at least from some segment sof the government.

**Tannhauser42**

Are you talking about Turkey and ISIS or the USA and the Mexican drug cartels?

**Jihadin**

Well seems we're using Delta Force to whack some leaders. Can make the current situation in Iraq as training ground for the Dark Side (Special Operation Forces)

Be much cheaper for us but not for ISIS

**Frazzled**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Are you talking about Turkey and ISIS or the USA and the Mexican drug cartels?

Yes.