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Plumbumbarum wrote:

 Mort wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
In my not really that humble opinion, the newest artwork in recent codieces is awful, pathetic, cartoony, characterless and cheap like a bad cgi pics for low budget videogame. Soon starcraft will be more grimdark than 40k, it's almost like GW made the artwork resemble their kiddie colorful minis painting schemes instead of doing the opposite like they should.

I'm not buying a single 7th edition codex and I'm closer than ever to straight GW hate. Killing the business of flgs s didnt do it, chapterhouse or space marine case didnt do it, prices didnt do it, heck even crap rules and forge the narrative didnt do it for me but it appears that the borked artwork just can.

Personally, I think some of the recent art is the -best- they've had in years. I frequently flip through my Eldar and Harlequin codexes just to look at it, because I think for the most part, it's a vast improvement.

ANYTHING is better than Blanche's old art and is an -improvement-, in my opinion. His art was never really 'grimdark' to me - it was simply messy and silly-looking. I found myself frequently wishing I could tear those pages from my books and burn them.

I'm not really about Blanche but just 4/ 5/ early 6 edition art or old art coloured vs new 7th edition stuff. Still Blanche even if you dislike his style was one of the guys who set the tone for the universe. Comparing his artwork to the 7th edition one is like comparing his painting to official studio paintjobs, one has character and the other has clean colours.

But let's take craftworld eldar dex, I had an occasion to flip through it recently. There is a pic of wraitblades/ wraithguard under wraith host section, they are red, fight orks and the one on the front has an axe. I think it was one of the more recent artworks and I found it just awful. There is another pic of wraithguard/ blades but older in the same dex, this time Iyanden standing in the snow and it is beautiful, just like the next picture of Iyanden wraithlord. Then you can go back and check the obviously new art depicting SaimHann vs Ultramarine battle where marines look dumb, grit looks clean, postprocess is worse than what I do to my games with sweetfx and it would fit more as a budget pc game loading screen than gw codex artwork.

It works like clockwork imo, the newer the artwork the more pathetic it is.

That's just, like, your opinion man

I for one really like the art in both the latest Eldar and Dark Eldar books. Granted, it is different from the previous style and probably doesn't work well with every army, but the new style has grown on me after a while.

Good for you. For me, the 6th edition Eldar art (that I wasnt even that fond of) looks like high profile paintings next to some of the 7th edition stuff that has random-fanboy-with-a-mouse written all over it.

It varies though ofc, harlequins and skitarii dexes had on average better art, on the other hand necrons was a debacle art wise I cant even open that crap without cringing.

Just saw a good point made on the Warseer forum about some of the newer codex books. There's been a lot of simplifying of the "color scheme" sections in some of the newer books, with far more "cut/paste" imagery lacking detail, shading, texturing, etc and coming off far more as something out of a "coloring book" relative to older editions.

Example

 Vaktathi wrote:
Just saw a good point made on the Warseer forum about some of the newer codex books. There's been a lot of simplifying of the "color scheme" sections in some of the newer books, with far more "cut/paste" imagery lacking detail, shading, texturing, etc and coming off far more as something out of a "coloring book" relative to older editions.

Example

Having a simplified color scheme might encourage people to paint as it wouldn't be as intimidating.

 Xerics wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Just saw a good point made on the Warseer forum about some of the newer codex books. There's been a lot of simplifying of the "color scheme" sections in some of the newer books, with far more "cut/paste" imagery lacking detail, shading, texturing, etc and coming off far more as something out of a "coloring book" relative to older editions.

Example

Having a simplified color scheme might encourage people to paint as it wouldn't be as intimidating.

Or it might make people go look at other companies models because they look prettier.
If GW were worried about people being intimidated by good artwork/paintjobs they should do half decent tutorials without expecting people to spend a lot of money on them.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
SISTERS DON'T COUNT

Why?

I was more conveying the situation than I was asserting my opinion. I've spoken about them like that before when referring to 40k armies, of which they frequently come up as an exception.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Just saw a good point made on the Warseer forum about some of the newer codex books. There's been a lot of simplifying of the "color scheme" sections in some of the newer books, with far more "cut/paste" imagery lacking detail, shading, texturing, etc and coming off far more as something out of a "coloring book" relative to older editions.

Example

Having a simplified color scheme might encourage people to paint as it wouldn't be as intimidating.

Or it might make people go look at other companies models because they look prettier.
If GW were worried about people being intimidated by good artwork/paintjobs they should do half decent tutorials without expecting people to spend a lot of money on them.

Not a fan of GW's youtube tutorials? I think they are pretty decent for beginners because he is not afraid of explaining and repeating the basics that many other tutorials take for granted.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Why is the fact that *plastic* in and of itself is more widespread now a good thing?

I don't know about you, but being Sisters and therefor not spoiled by constant new releases, I would love some new plastic models.

But you know, I guess being spoiled by lots of new releases has changed your perspective of what was once considered a really good thing.

I would love some new plastic models too. As long as they do not destroy the current aesthetics though. Please no pin-up look. But GW seems to be doing okay in that regard, for 40k models at least.

 Quarterdime wrote:
I was more conveying the situation than I was asserting my opinion. I've spoken about them like that before when referring to 40k armies, of which they frequently come up as an exception.

Uh… okay, I guess.

 Melissia wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Why is the fact that *plastic* in and of itself is more widespread now a good thing?

I don't know about you, but being Sisters and therefor not spoiled by constant new releases, I would love some new plastic models.

But you know, I guess being spoiled by lots of new releases has changed your perspective of what was once considered a really good thing.

I agree the Sister need some love. But I'm not sure plastics is going to be worth it. The SoB original metals were superior to most 2ed armies, and I think they still are one of the best ranges available. I'm not certain they can improve on what they already done. The units they added later like the Repentia just don't equal the originals.

 Melissia wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Why is the fact that *plastic* in and of itself is more widespread now a good thing?

I don't know about you, but being Sisters and therefor not spoiled by constant new releases, I would love some new plastic models.

But you know, I guess being spoiled by lots of new releases has changed your perspective of what was once considered a really good thing.

Yup, so spoiled my own SoB army has all those newer releases...oh wait...(in fact I've got Celestine on my desk right now waiting to get pinned).

However, you seem to have missed the point of my initial query. What is the point of plastics just to be plastic? There used to be a major cost factor, plastic kits were very cheap relative to others. This is no longer true. With plastics, there's a lot more assembly required, and undercuts cannot be properly modeled without being a separate piece. When Plastic kits were half the price of metals, that was fine, but that is now the exception, not the rule.

Now, if you are talking about wanting new sculpts, that's an entirely different story, but I was referring the complaint of not having plastics for for the sake of being plastic.

nareik wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Just saw a good point made on the Warseer forum about some of the newer codex books. There's been a lot of simplifying of the "color scheme" sections in some of the newer books, with far more "cut/paste" imagery lacking detail, shading, texturing, etc and coming off far more as something out of a "coloring book" relative to older editions.

Example

Having a simplified color scheme might encourage people to paint as it wouldn't be as intimidating.

Or it might make people go look at other companies models because they look prettier.
If GW were worried about people being intimidated by good artwork/paintjobs they should do half decent tutorials without expecting people to spend a lot of money on them.

Not a fan of GW's youtube tutorials? I think they are pretty decent for beginners because he is not afraid of explaining and repeating the basics that many other tutorials take for granted.

GWs painting tuts are fantastic and ridiculously under-advertised.

 Purifier wrote:

GWs painting tuts are fantastic and ridiculously under-advertised.

Exalted.

I don't agree. At all...

In regard to models, creativity and quality i have not been that impressed since the Rogue Trauder era.
And there is more flavour than i have seen in a long time.
And the GW quality is superb nowadays IMO.
The plastics are more realistic, have more detail and i love the Skitarii and the AdMech Kastelan design.

The same was true for Harlequins, beautifull.
And their first codex ever since their list in 1st edition "Compendium" and we might even get Genestealer Cult later this year.

The only thing that i can understand if "we talk about money".
Yes, all the books cost money, but that is not a new problem.
As a matter of fact: since about 2 years, after 25 years of building an actual library, most books don't cost me anything because i don't buy them anymore.
But i do have them... ;-)

If i compare most infantry models to what i buy from other manufactureres, per model it's not even more expensive, in many cases cheaper and with a lot more options and in plastic, which i like better than metal.
This week week i as working on skitarii and mechanical models from another manufacturer costing half the money and i came to the conclusion that i should have just bought more Skitarii instead.

The only way to solve the money problem is play skirmish (fewer models) or find another hobby.

Finally:
I am above all a hobbyist and rather play for fun than just for tournaments, where all the melty cheese comes together.
I do play tournaments and I usually do face "competitive" lists ranging from just tough to cheesy and i use this to tune an army i often have for a long time for the next battle or just take another the next time.
Current holes in codexes are irritating, but for me they don't matter in the long run because codexes will change again in a few years anyway.

And in regard to what i can play GW nowadays offers me more options and nive army concepts than ever!
Necron became playable as infantry (as they should be!) instead of flying circus.
Harlequins got a codex (nog the best one, but for me it's not about that).
AdMech finally got models.
Space Marine tacticals (for me what SHOULD be the core of any SM army) might get playable with free transport (just as in Epic Armageddon).

I am actualy having more fun than with the previous few editions...

And i don't even like facing all those titans! :-)