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2015/06/12 12:14:46
Subject: Incubi attrition
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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We're also forgetting that there's 2 types of Dark Eldar- the tank-born grown in vats by the haemonculi, and the trueborn. Haemonculi pretty much run Commorragh in that respect.
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2015/06/12 16:17:12
Subject: Incubi attrition
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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It means their brain and nervous system operates on a higher level than normal human biology allows.
 Wyzilla wrote:They also can run high math equations in their head on the fly
Where the hell have you read any story about a marine solving math equations?
“There was no chron in his cell and Hazareth had taken to marking the passing of time by the beat of his primary heart. Forty-eight beats was one minute, 2,880 was one hour. Over thirty-four thousand for one ship cycle. Only five ship cycles until the plan was under way.” / Blood Gorgons, p.132 - **
“His battle-hardened mind assessed the relative strengths and weakness of the six soldiers without conscious thought; armament, distance, levels of combat effectiveness, routes of attack and escape calculated in less than a few panicked beatings of their hearts.” - Imperial Armour Volume 9, p.46 - The Badab War - Part One
Only Mingzhou kept some measure of in her head. 'He's over twenty-five hundred meters away.' she assured them. 'Someone with the best lasrifle on Castellax couldn't pick off a target from that range. We have to get out of here before he can close the distance.'
As she spoke, Algol raised his arm, the graceless bulk of a bolter clenched in his fist. Without pause or hesitation, the Space Marine fired. From the other side of the tractor, Deacon screamed and fell, his chest ripped to splinters by the bolter's explosive shell.
...before Algol fired again, the legionary's shots smashing into the engine block [of the tractor].
...Almost casually, the Iron Warrior adjusted his grip on the bolter, tilting the barrel downwards ever so slightly.
...The bolter cracked again. Taofang cried out as he watched Mingzhou's body jerk up and strike the underside of the tractor. Her body slumped back against the side of the ferrocrete paving, blood streaming from her shattered flesh. Instead of closing upon her and coming within the range of the sniper's rifle, the Iron Warrior had fired his shot into the floor several meters in front of the tractor, deflecting his shot so that it arced beneath the vehicle and struck the woman hidden there.
Pages 345 and 346 of Siege of Castellax.
Wyzilla wrote:Plus the lot of all Space Marines are master swordsmen who would put any modern fencing master to utter shame.
Meh. They are WS4. So are Crusaders. DCA are WS5. Ork boyz are WS4.
Game stats mean nothing. Astartes fight in complete blurs while dueling, and this isn't just because their moves consist entirely of thrusts. Fights between them can take up to minutes because they don't buckle like normal swordsmen, where a fight is typically over in seconds after one mistake.
Wyzilla wrote:They make bionic limbs as well, items of such quality they perfectly replicate the limb that was lost and put modern engineers to shame.
Their Apothecaries are also highly knowledgeable of medical sciences.
Have you missed the memo about 40k “science”? They are just following the ritual. No intelligence, no judgment involved. They are exactly like this :
Apothecaries are just the marine version of ork Mad Doks, except that unlike the orks, they are unable to innovate at all.
This is a myth, and one you know very well is full of gak. Innovation is still very much in 40K, it only exists on a larger time scale as the Mechanicus is extremely restrictive on the introduction of new technologies, although even then Space Marine Chapters often tell them to sod off. But it's not like 40K medical sciences even need to bother advancing, they've peaked. Stem cell treatments render diseases like cancer a thing of the past as even basic humans can have lifepsans that last for centuries.
Hell, they can even vat-grow humans, which is one of the ways gene seed is mass produced.
Wyzilla wrote:But you will find craftsmen, doctors, and engineers by the dozen.
Like Orks.
Only of better quality. Orks may be able to build a shoota out of scrap, but a Salamander can forge a master crafted relic bolter that will put such weapons to shame. Then there's the Space Vampires and their artist streak.... and I never have heard of an Ork engaging in such an activity. Not unless we're very loosely defining "art".
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2015/06/12 17:03:04
Subject: Incubi attrition
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Wyzilla, while your arguments are correct and sound, perhaps take it to PMs? It's an Incubi thread, after all!
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2015/06/12 20:16:12
Subject: Incubi attrition
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Hallowed Canoness
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Wyzilla wrote:It means their brain and nervous system operates on a higher level than normal human biology allows.
I have no idea what this means.
What is a “higher level” of operation for a nervous system?
Wyzilla wrote:“There was no chron in his cell and Hazareth had taken to marking the passing of time by the beat of his primary heart. Forty-eight beats was one minute, 2,880 was one hour. Over thirty-four thousand for one ship cycle. Only five ship cycles until the plan was under way.” / Blood Gorgons, p.132 - **
Okay, that is a multiplication…
A lot of stubborn determination to keep on counting, I give you that. But the math are beyond basic!
Wyzilla wrote:“His battle-hardened mind assessed the relative strengths and weakness of the six soldiers without conscious thought; armament, distance, levels of combat effectiveness, routes of attack and escape calculated in less than a few panicked beatings of their hearts.” - Imperial Armour Volume 9, p.46 - The Badab War - Part One
That is fighting instinct/competence, not math…
Wyzilla wrote:Only Mingzhou kept some measure of in her head. 'He's over twenty-five hundred meters away.' she assured them. 'Someone with the best lasrifle on Castellax couldn't pick off a target from that range. We have to get out of here before he can close the distance.'
As she spoke, Algol raised his arm, the graceless bulk of a bolter clenched in his fist. Without pause or hesitation, the Space Marine fired. From the other side of the tractor, Deacon screamed and fell, his chest ripped to splinters by the bolter's explosive shell.
...before Algol fired again, the legionary's shots smashing into the engine block [of the tractor].
...Almost casually, the Iron Warrior adjusted his grip on the bolter, tilting the barrel downwards ever so slightly.
...The bolter cracked again. Taofang cried out as he watched Mingzhou's body jerk up and strike the underside of the tractor. Her body slumped back against the side of the ferrocrete paving, blood streaming from her shattered flesh. Instead of closing upon her and coming within the range of the sniper's rifle, the Iron Warrior had fired his shot into the floor several meters in front of the tractor, deflecting his shot so that it arced beneath the vehicle and struck the woman hidden there.
Pages 345 and 346 of Siege of Castellax.
That is pretty mary-sueish, but does not seem like math to me either…
Well, fluff is inconsistent but seriously, fluff says Ciaphas Cain is a better swordsman than a Khorne berserker.
Wyzilla wrote:This is a myth, and one you know very well is full of gak. Innovation is still very much in 40K, it only exists on a larger time scale as the Mechanicus is extremely restrictive on the introduction of new technologies, although even then Space Marine Chapters often tell them to sod off.
Stucking a new gun on a tank is not “innovation” and the whole “machine spirit” being superstitious backward nonsense is a big part of what makes the setting cool…
Wyzilla wrote:Only of better quality. Orks may be able to build a shoota out of scrap, but a Salamander can forge a master crafted relic bolter that will put such weapons to shame.
Apparently Orks have a better mastery of stuff like, well, teleportation. Kind of impressive, is it not?
But yeah, Orks do not really care for finesse. Marines are better at that. Orks got actual innovation, along with brute efficiency, marines got finesse. That master crafted relic bolter will get to reroll one miss to hit, the ork mek would have gotten a crude weapons that just shoot twice or three time more, and therefore is more deadly.
Wyzilla wrote:Then there's the Space Vampires and their artist streak.... and I never have heard of an Ork engaging in such an activity. Not unless we're very loosely defining "art".
Do you believe that rock and roll is not art? What about orks glyphs? Those are pretty artsy! And I heard flinging feces around can qualify as contemporary art.
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2015/06/12 22:47:32
Subject: Incubi attrition
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Wyzilla wrote:It means their brain and nervous system operates on a higher level than normal human biology allows.
I have no idea what this means.
What is a “higher level” of operation for a nervous system?
Faster neuron transmission, along with more efficient pathways in general.
This means a marine thinks faster and more efficiently. This cuts down reaction times, as well as letting him assess a situation and come to the optimum solution much faster. It would also make them much better at multi-tasking. A marine can actively engage in combat while also managing the overall tactical/strategic situation simultaneously.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2015/06/13 00:47:10
Subject: Incubi attrition
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Stop getting off topic.
If you want to talk about Space Marines, do so in a thread about Space Marines, not in a thread about Incubi.
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2015/06/14 20:22:11
Subject: Re:Incubi attrition
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Stoic Grail Knight
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I'm thinking Incubi, along with a great dirth of things in 40k, suffer from a significant case of "2cool4school," and their fluff tends to not make decent sense in light of exciting a bunch of giddy hobbyists patting themselves on the back for picking the faction that is the most bad-ass.
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2015/06/14 21:24:43
Subject: Re:Incubi attrition
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Hellish Haemonculus
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 Accolade wrote:I'm thinking Incubi, along with a great dirth of things in 40k, suffer from a significant case of "2cool4school," and their fluff tends to not make decent sense in light of exciting a bunch of giddy hobbyists patting themselves on the back for picking the faction that is the most bad-ass.
Perhaps less cynically, most summary fluff is written in a hyperbolic style, (while the novels tend to show a more realistic world), which is in keeping with the feel of epic mythology that permeates the setting.
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2015/06/14 21:49:31
Subject: Re:Incubi attrition
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Stoic Grail Knight
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 Jimsolo wrote: Accolade wrote:I'm thinking Incubi, along with a great dirth of things in 40k, suffer from a significant case of "2cool4school," and their fluff tends to not make decent sense in light of exciting a bunch of giddy hobbyists patting themselves on the back for picking the faction that is the most bad-ass.
Perhaps less cynically, most summary fluff is written in a hyperbolic style, (while the novels tend to show a more realistic world), which is in keeping with the feel of epic mythology that permeates the setting.
Perhaps  I've certainly read some fluff that was as absurd as the codex unit descriptions.
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2015/06/14 23:44:53
Subject: Re:Incubi attrition
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Hallowed Canoness
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Accolade wrote:I'm thinking Incubi, along with a great dirth of things in 40k, suffer from a significant case of "2cool4school," and their fluff tends to not make decent sense in light of exciting a bunch of giddy hobbyists patting themselves on the back for picking the faction that is the most bad-ass.
... a 'dearth' is a lack of something.
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