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Greetings,

I feel like I get mixed replies when I ask this so I'm hoping someone can give me a firm, yes/no and an FAQ link or the like.

What is the current ruling on using Psychic Powers inside of a Transport?

BRB page 25
"Psykers and Transports

Psykers embarked on Transports still still generate their normal number of Warp Charge points. Psykers embarked on a Transport can only target enemy units with witchfire psychic powers, and only then if the vehicle has a firing point that has line of sight to the target unit. Psykers embarked on a Transport cannot attempt to manifest any other kind of psychic power.

Psychic powers cannot target units that are embarked on a Transport."

BRB page 82
PSYCHIC POWERS AND TRANSPORTS
Psykers (pg 22) embarked on a Transport can only target enemy units with witchfire psychic powers, and only then if the vehicle has a Fire Port that can 'see' the target unit. Psykers embarked on a Transport cannot attempt to manifest any other kind of psychic power.

Psychic powers cannot target units that are embarked on a Transport."

Does this mean Psykers in a transport cannot target themselves with blessings such as Force?

I know in 6th Ed there was a note that said while in a transport, Pskers could target themselves, but I can't seem to find that in 7th Ed or the FAQs. This would lead me to interpret RAW at stating, when in a transport, a Psyker can ONLY use witchfire attacks, and only if said transport has a fireport the Psyker can draw LOS to another unit.

Thanks much

A) You cannot cast blessings if you are embarked (as you have quoted: "Psykers embarked on a Transport cannot attempt to manifest any other kind of psychic power.")

B) "Psychic powers cannot target units that are embarked on a Transport." = they cannot be affected by any power whatsoever...

B) is slightly incorrect, cannot be targeted and cannot be affected are 2 different things.

Any aura or pulse type effect will affect an ebarked unit so long as it does not target them(most don't targeted anyone).

If a power is cast the concerns all units within x", and the transport is within that distance; then per the transport rules the unit embarked is within that distance.

These kinds of powers are rare to the point that I cannot think of any off hand(before the inevitable; novas target all units in range thus do nothing to the embarked unit, and beams, while hitting the unit cause 0 hits as no models are under the line), though i had only checked the brb powers and orks.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
B) is slightly incorrect, cannot be targeted and cannot be affected are 2 different things.

Any aura or pulse type effect will affect an ebarked unit so long as it does not target them(most don't targeted anyone).

If a power is cast the concerns all units within x", and the transport is within that distance; then per the transport rules the unit embarked is within that distance.

These kinds of powers are rare to the point that I cannot think of any off hand(before the inevitable; novas target all units in range thus do nothing to the embarked unit, and beams, while hitting the unit cause 0 hits as no models are under the line), though i had only checked the brb powers and orks.

Ah, sorry, i see the difference. Psychic powers working as area of effects possibly?

"All Units within 12" of the Psyker get Fearless" for example, if this power existed, could affect the passengers?

Units in a vehicle are essentially already Fearless are they not?

 Jimsolo wrote:
Units in a vehicle are essentially already Fearless are they not?

The point was that it would effect the transported unit, regardless of the special rule granted (as it was just a hypothetical example).

 Quanar wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Units in a vehicle are essentially already Fearless are they not?

The point was that it would effect the transported unit, regardless of the special rule granted (as it was just a hypothetical example).

Put a unit of Blootletters in a Rhino. Cast Cursed Earth with a Psyker that's not in that transport, but within 12". Rhino explodes, Bloodletters get the +1 to their invulnerable save.

 Hansisaf wrote:

 Quanar wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
Units in a vehicle are essentially already Fearless are they not?

The point was that it would effect the transported unit, regardless of the special rule granted (as it was just a hypothetical example).

Put a unit of Blootletters in a Rhino. Cast Cursed Earth with a Psyker that's not in that transport, but within 12". Rhino explodes, Bloodletters get the +1 to their invulnerable save.

Here is a non-hypothetical example, thank you

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
B) is slightly incorrect, cannot be targeted and cannot be affected are 2 different things.

Any aura or pulse type effect will affect an ebarked unit so long as it does not target them(most don't targeted anyone).

If a power is cast the concerns all units within x", and the transport is within that distance; then per the transport rules the unit embarked is within that distance.

These kinds of powers are rare to the point that I cannot think of any off hand(before the inevitable; novas target all units in range thus do nothing to the embarked unit, and beams, while hitting the unit cause 0 hits as no models are under the line), though i had only checked the brb powers and orks.

Sorry to necro this topic, but I'm having this discussion with someone, and I can't figure out why you're saying Nova powers wouldn't affect units that are embarked on transports.

 Mavlun wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
B) is slightly incorrect, cannot be targeted and cannot be affected are 2 different things.

Any aura or pulse type effect will affect an ebarked unit so long as it does not target them(most don't targeted anyone).

If a power is cast the concerns all units within x", and the transport is within that distance; then per the transport rules the unit embarked is within that distance.

These kinds of powers are rare to the point that I cannot think of any off hand(before the inevitable; novas target all units in range thus do nothing to the embarked unit, and beams, while hitting the unit cause 0 hits as no models are under the line), though i had only checked the brb powers and orks.

Sorry to necro this topic, but I'm having this discussion with someone, and I can't figure out why you're saying Nova powers wouldn't affect units that are embarked on transports.

You can't allocate wounds to models that are out of line of sight

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Mavlun wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
B) is slightly incorrect, cannot be targeted and cannot be affected are 2 different things.

Any aura or pulse type effect will affect an ebarked unit so long as it does not target them(most don't targeted anyone).

If a power is cast the concerns all units within x", and the transport is within that distance; then per the transport rules the unit embarked is within that distance.

These kinds of powers are rare to the point that I cannot think of any off hand(before the inevitable; novas target all units in range thus do nothing to the embarked unit, and beams, while hitting the unit cause 0 hits as no models are under the line), though i had only checked the brb powers and orks.

Sorry to necro this topic, but I'm having this discussion with someone, and I can't figure out why you're saying Nova powers wouldn't affect units that are embarked on transports.

You can't allocate wounds to models that are out of line of sight

Or the two places in the rules that say psychic powers can't target units on transports ('Psykers and Transports', pg. 25 and 'Psychic Powers and Transports', pg. 82).

 Ghaz wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Mavlun wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
B) is slightly incorrect, cannot be targeted and cannot be affected are 2 different things.

Any aura or pulse type effect will affect an ebarked unit so long as it does not target them(most don't targeted anyone).

If a power is cast the concerns all units within x", and the transport is within that distance; then per the transport rules the unit embarked is within that distance.

These kinds of powers are rare to the point that I cannot think of any off hand(before the inevitable; novas target all units in range thus do nothing to the embarked unit, and beams, while hitting the unit cause 0 hits as no models are under the line), though i had only checked the brb powers and orks.

Sorry to necro this topic, but I'm having this discussion with someone, and I can't figure out why you're saying Nova powers wouldn't affect units that are embarked on transports.

You can't allocate wounds to models that are out of line of sight

Or the two places in the rules that say psychic powers can't target units on transports ('Psykers and Transports', pg. 25 and 'Psychic Powers and Transports', pg. 82).

Except that Nova gives specific allowance

"A nova power automatically targets and hits all enemy units (including Flyers and Flying Monstrous Creatures) within the psychic power's maximum range, regardless of line of sight, being locked in combat, intervening models/terrain and so on."

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Mavlun wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
B) is slightly incorrect, cannot be targeted and cannot be affected are 2 different things.

Any aura or pulse type effect will affect an ebarked unit so long as it does not target them(most don't targeted anyone).

If a power is cast the concerns all units within x", and the transport is within that distance; then per the transport rules the unit embarked is within that distance.

These kinds of powers are rare to the point that I cannot think of any off hand(before the inevitable; novas target all units in range thus do nothing to the embarked unit, and beams, while hitting the unit cause 0 hits as no models are under the line), though i had only checked the brb powers and orks.

Sorry to necro this topic, but I'm having this discussion with someone, and I can't figure out why you're saying Nova powers wouldn't affect units that are embarked on transports.

You can't allocate wounds to models that are out of line of sight

I am guessing this is the correct way to look at it. It automatically HITS the unit inside the transport, but wounds can't be allocated to it.

 Mavlun wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Mavlun wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
B) is slightly incorrect, cannot be targeted and cannot be affected are 2 different things.

Any aura or pulse type effect will affect an ebarked unit so long as it does not target them(most don't targeted anyone).

If a power is cast the concerns all units within x", and the transport is within that distance; then per the transport rules the unit embarked is within that distance.

These kinds of powers are rare to the point that I cannot think of any off hand(before the inevitable; novas target all units in range thus do nothing to the embarked unit, and beams, while hitting the unit cause 0 hits as no models are under the line), though i had only checked the brb powers and orks.

Sorry to necro this topic, but I'm having this discussion with someone, and I can't figure out why you're saying Nova powers wouldn't affect units that are embarked on transports.

You can't allocate wounds to models that are out of line of sight

Or the two places in the rules that say psychic powers can't target units on transports ('Psykers and Transports', pg. 25 and 'Psychic Powers and Transports', pg. 82).

Except that Nova gives specific allowance

"A nova power automatically targets and hits all enemy units (including Flyers and Flying Monstrous Creatures) within the psychic power's maximum range, regardless of line of sight, being locked in combat, intervening models/terrain and so on."

False. Automatically targeting something does not give you a specific allowance to target something (automatically or not) you are not permitted to target.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mavlun wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Mavlun wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
B) is slightly incorrect, cannot be targeted and cannot be affected are 2 different things.

Any aura or pulse type effect will affect an ebarked unit so long as it does not target them(most don't targeted anyone).

If a power is cast the concerns all units within x", and the transport is within that distance; then per the transport rules the unit embarked is within that distance.

These kinds of powers are rare to the point that I cannot think of any off hand(before the inevitable; novas target all units in range thus do nothing to the embarked unit, and beams, while hitting the unit cause 0 hits as no models are under the line), though i had only checked the brb powers and orks.

Sorry to necro this topic, but I'm having this discussion with someone, and I can't figure out why you're saying Nova powers wouldn't affect units that are embarked on transports.

You can't allocate wounds to models that are out of line of sight

Or the two places in the rules that say psychic powers can't target units on transports ('Psykers and Transports', pg. 25 and 'Psychic Powers and Transports', pg. 82).

Except that Nova gives specific allowance

"A nova power automatically targets and hits all enemy units (including Flyers and Flying Monstrous Creatures) within the psychic power's maximum range, regardless of line of sight, being locked in combat, intervening models/terrain and so on."

False. Automatically targeting something does not give you a specific allowance to target something (automatically or not) you are not permitted to target.

That...uhhh....that makes zero sense. Any source on that?

Again, just because you don't need to say "this unit is a target" does not allow you to affect an untargetable unit. Saying it does is what doesn't make sense.

 Ghaz wrote:
Again, just because you don't need to say "this unit is a target" does not allow you to affect an untargetable unit. Saying it does is what doesn't make sense.

Normal sequence:

Unit A says "I am targeting Unit B".
Psychic powers vs. transports: "You are not allowed to target Unit B"
Nova: "You automatically target and hit Unit B"

What if it's a weapon that is S4, but it says it automatically wounds models that are T8. ? No wounds then by your logic vs. T8 models? Edit: Like Rending. You're essentially saying Rending can't wound on 6s vs. T8 if the weapon is S4.

Again, automatically targeting doesn't make a unit targetable. All it does is remove the necessity of saying "... this unit is a target..."

And your Rending example doesn't work due to the inclusion of "... regardless of its Toughness..." Does Nova say "... regardless of whether the unit can be Targeted..."?