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The gallery of personalities that we have all been exposed to for extended periods of time because of this kickstarter debacle is pretty amusing.

I had totally forgotten about the person we are talking about. Wasn't his name Steve?

 Swabby wrote:
The gallery of personalities that we have all been exposed to for extended periods of time because of this kickstarter debacle is pretty amusing.

I had totally forgotten about the person we are talking about. Wasn't his name Steve?

I hope not...That's my name.

Anyway, I am happy with the game's rules, as a first edition, it still needs a few tweaks. The farce of the miniatures being soooooooooooooo(there isn't enough o's to complete this, come back next week and I'd still be typing o's) late, is what ticks me off.

I have too many unanswered rules questions to claim happiness with them. We are on like year 4 now and I still don't have a definitive answer on if you can punch an aircraft or not.

The entire palladium rules forum is full of unanswered questions.

You can only punch an aircraft if you yourself have flight.

So vf-1 battloids, male pa's, and female pa's can do so. Thats it.

Seriously? What about hover, leap and so on? No more Regult-kicks-to-down-flies?

Jokes aside, really? So you CANNOT get in base contact to a VF with a Regult for example?


And, it's Friday! (Or saturday, whatever) :

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™

The PDFs of Wave 2 cards will be posted on DriveThruRPG.com at a rate of 2 a day until they are ALL posted and available to you over the next several weeks.

Wayne and I had a promising discussion with a gentleman if we decide to go one way with manufacturing, and we are waiting on a quote for another. We think the latter is even more promising. We also met with our UPS rep to try to establish UPS as an additional international shipper for all our products, for both individuals placing orders and freight. They claim to be highly competitive. We’ll find out in the weeks ahead.

Jaymz where in the rules does it say that?

There was a multipage heated conversation on the topic when the rules came out with no real resolution... so it was decided to submit a question to Palladium over a year and a half ago. I don't believe they ever responded. Mike, was that part of the 10 questions you submitted to them when you were still in their good graces and they in your's?

Well, the RRT rules have been out long enough that most other companies would be working on releasing a v 2.0 by now (or at least a 1.5 update). But seriously, I don't think there's been enough shared play for all the kinks and possible solutions to have have been shaken out of the current game. And, well - it's a dead games anyway.

2 cards a day for the Wave 2 stuff? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? Are they just that lazy?

My guess is that they're finally now working on it for the first time in over a year since they were submitted and that's the pace that Wayne or whoever can go at in order to get whatever approvals he needs.

Mike, can you take a look and see if there is any difference between your versions with official robotech graphics and the ones supposedly coming out now? Or did they just click a "save file as: PDF" drop down menu?

 warboss wrote:
There was a multipage heated conversation on the topic when the rules came out with no real resolution... so it was decided to submit a question to Palladium over a year and a half ago. I don't believe they ever responded. Mike, was that part of the 10 questions you submitted to them when you were still in their good graces and they in your's?

That IS the correct answer but after so long darned if I can remember where it came from. Just ask whatever other rules questions you have. I'll try to remember the answer. I've been focused on Nodal Wars and don't want to confuse the answers from what the official ones are and what I did with my own rules to fix the issues.


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 Stormonu wrote:
Well, the RRT rules have been out long enough that most other companies would be working on releasing a v 2.0 by now (or at least a 1.5 update). But seriously, I don't think there's been enough shared play for all the kinks and possible solutions to have have been shaken out of the current game. And, well - it's a dead games anyway.

2 cards a day for the Wave 2 stuff? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? Are they just that lazy?

Lol, that's why I'm working on Nodal Wars. Rules are pretty much solid but I need playtesters to help out. PB is like a snow snail riding on the slime trail of a slower snail, every now and then they bump into the snail they are following and call it progress.


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 warboss wrote:
My guess is that they're finally now working on it for the first time in over a year since they were submitted and that's the pace that Wayne or whoever can go at in order to get whatever approvals he needs.

Mike, can you take a look and see if there is any difference between your versions with official robotech graphics and the ones supposedly coming out now? Or did they just click a "save file as: PDF" drop down menu?

What exactly do you want me to compare Warboss? The stat cards?

It isn't in the rulebook anywhere that I can find at all.


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It is also not in the FAQ.

 Swabby wrote:
It isn't in the rulebook anywhere that I can find at all.

The HTH thing and aircraft? No, it is in the errata....or rather I thought it was. I just looked. Jaymz is correct but they never posted it officially. You could point this out to Thomas Roache and he can ask Wayne to update the errata.


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I think it was that the answer was supposedly "self evident" and that errata was not needed. Like I said, it has been a long time.

Actually the way the HTH rules read it is totally possible to make HTH attacks against an aircraft, you just cannot engage it in melee.

@Mike: Yup, the stat cards. I was just curious if they bothered to change anything in the year+ since they were supposed to come out with them and you had your hands on them.

 Nesbet wrote:
Seriously? What about hover, leap and so on? No more Regult-kicks-to-down-flies?

Jokes aside, really? So you CANNOT get in base contact to a VF with a Regult for example?

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Well technicly unless you "land" the vf then no you vant actually have base to base contact. At least that was the last I heard on the matter before told them to feth off and it makes sense to me so take that as you will.


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 Swabby wrote:
Jaymz where in the rules does it say that?

It doesnt. Thats the last i heard on the matter before telling wayne et al to feth off.

So it is something they decided on but haven't posted anywhere. Weird.

 Swabby wrote:
So it is something they decided on but haven't posted anywhere. Weird.

That's how they do everything.

Was reading this from the Palladium Books Weekly Update...
"The two Rifts® Poker Decks have been selling like lightning, with a restock order arriving the morning right after we sold out the initial run of 150 decks!"

This tells me exactly what condition the company is in..
Rift decks sale for about $12, normal manufacture cost average about a third of the sale price.
To keep math simple lets say each deck should cost $4 each to produce based on sale price
That means 4 x 150 = $600
If a company can only afford to spend $600 on a new product.. where do you think the kickstarter 1.4 million is? long gone...
And wave 2 will only happen if they get a large influx of money...because injection molds for plastic sprues are not cheap

 warboss wrote:
@Mike: Yup, the stat cards. I was just curious if they bothered to change anything in the year+ since they were supposed to come out with them and you had your hands on them.

I think they might have changed the errors I pointed out on the Super VTs and the Missile Upgrade error....and that is it.

 Nesbet wrote:
on other news while waiting for PBWU...

On facebook, Robotech Miniatures posted:

We are 98% cerain Siembieda will consider handing over Wave 2 to Rogue Heroes LLC.
(This new outfit reportedly has been tapped to manage the new Kickstarter campaign for the new Rifts boardgame.)

However, we still are claiming a 2020 release...




I dont know how to react to this. Maybe laughing at that 98% would be a good choice to start?

just checked that group out, think i've seen it before, probably since I've been banned from posting there, but scrolling thru his posts, it looks like he is a very misguided fan friend of PB's, also notice he posted that dumpster diving video as fake, which I doubt many places are tossing the game boxs like that, i do believe the video is factual since the poster does have many videos of dumpster dives on his site. also noticed he posts others work but none of his own.

as to the guy PB is talking too i'm thinking a certain Russian.

Asterios wrote:

 Nesbet wrote:
on other news while waiting for PBWU...

On facebook, Robotech Miniatures posted:

We are 98% cerain Siembieda will consider handing over Wave 2 to Rogue Heroes LLC.
(This new outfit reportedly has been tapped to manage the new Kickstarter campaign for the new Rifts boardgame.)

However, we still are claiming a 2020 release...




I dont know how to react to this. Maybe laughing at that 98% would be a good choice to start?

just checked that group out, think i've seen it before, probably since I've been banned from posting there, but scrolling thru his posts, it looks like he is a very misguided fan friend of PB's, also notice he posted that dumpster diving video as fake, which I doubt many places are tossing the game boxs like that, i do believe the video is factual since the poster does have many videos of dumpster dives on his site. also noticed he posts others work but none of his own.

as to the guy PB is talking too i'm thinking a certain Russian.

The admin is indeed a fan but I really dislike the stupid term Fan-Friend. I think we do each other a great disservice with these labels. He has indeed put out things before as if they were facts directly from PB that I have had to correct. Take what you find there with a grain of salt. This is the internet after all.

While the use of the term fan friend is obviously voluntary amongst the playerbase, the origin of the term is iirc directly from Kevin Siembieda. It's only taken on a negative connotation due to its inherent absurdity.

 Genoside07 wrote:
This tells me exactly what condition the company is in..
Rift decks sale for about $12, normal manufacture cost average about a third of the sale price.
To keep math simple lets say each deck should cost $4 each to produce based on sale price
That means 4 x 150 = $600
If a company can only afford to spend $600 on a new product.. where do you think the kickstarter 1.4 million is? long gone...
And wave 2 will only happen if they get a large influx of money...because injection molds for plastic sprues are not cheap

Ugh. Not that I'm eager to defend PB in any way, but there are other ways of looking at it.

Maybe they just wanted a reasonably sized initial run to gauge interest? I'm guessing 150 was an economy of scale break point for whomever they worked with. I've got some challenge coins being made for a group I'm in, and getting 10 made was about 3/4 the cost of getting 100 made, so we got 100. There's further savings at 150, 200, 250, etc, and over 1700 members in the group (with many who expressed interest looking for 2-5+ apiece), but while I *could* have gotten them even cheaper per unit, I decided to keep it a reasonable size to start off, and go from there (basically around the demand level, but not so many that I risked ending up with dozens left over). Picking a reasonable run size and then following up in a few weeks/months/quarters with another run (in this case, they were instantly restocking, so I guess either the turn around time is rapid or they sold more strongly than they anticipated).

Yes, making maybe a grand of profit isn't exactly something to be crowing about (let alone be the first bolded point to make in a newsletter), but surely it's better to see them showing restraint than going with their 'gut' feeling of presumably needing ten thousands decks to meet demand. That kind of overconfidence is how some of us assume they got into trouble with buying up massive piles of wave one product to sell (I still would want to see the EoS breakpoints, and books showing who exactly paid for what, before I would fully buy in myself, but that's neither here nor there).

A reasonable run showing reasonable restraint isn't something I can really fault them for, even with their legion of faults lined up in rows.

I may be wrong but I believe they mentioned they were using the drive thru RPG print on demand service for the cards rather than the traditional printing they do for their books that requires larger print runs to be economical.

Another thing just occurred to me; the 150 decks, would that be 75 of each? Because that'd be even less cost effective for a print run. So those profit margins might even be smaller.

The site I randomly checked out was charging like $6 per unit for 100-250 packs, sub 100 orders were even worse. I know they work a lot with DTRPG, but unless they're getting some kind of sweetheart deal, I can't imagine they're massive profit margins in play.

It's still profitable enough as long as they only sell it direct IMO. If they decided to put it through the normal retail channel with two additional middlemen taking a cut (distributor and stores), I'd expect them to go with the larger print runs though a more traditional service instead of POD.

 Mike1975 wrote:
The admin is indeed a fan but I really dislike the stupid term Fan-Friend. I think we do each other a great disservice with these labels.

It is indeed a disservice, which is one of the reasons there is still a ton of toxic angst in this community, because quite a few of the people who have now seen the light were slapping the complainer label around on anyone that spoke out earlier on. People dug their heels in on using fan-friend during an onslaught of pretty foul rhetoric from the PB supporters.

Oh, nonsense. It wasn't PB supporters that started making the community toxic, it started with Rick, Jorel and Merijeek making the ks comments a hostile place for everyone.

 n815e wrote:
Oh, nonsense. It wasn't PB supporters that started making the community toxic, it started with Rick, Jorel and Merijeek making the ks comments a hostile place for everyone.

actually I stated the facts as I saw them which have mostly been true.

Rick, let's be honest, no attempt to insult you here.
Hindsight still doesn't support the majority of your claims, rumors or accusations. Just because, over time, PB has failed us and more people have become unhappy with this, did not make you right or excuse your behavior.
You are one of the people that created a community that, instead of being mutually supporting, is divisive and uninviting. That is not an accomplishment to be proud of.
You have certainly toned down the over-the-top conspiracies and hostility, while proving to be an enthusiastic hobbiest.
You don't get to pat yourself on the back for "being right", though.