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I remember Kevin posting the yard sale thing but don't remember what update.

Every week we get a notice of sale of his personal items; nothing like mixing your personal business with your professional business (hard to call it that)

I was actually wondering what stuff he was selling, looking at Kevin's eBay store I found a Marvel Print he had for sale. So just like anything thing I checked on what it
originally sold for, last up to date sale versus the selling price. The "Mighty Marvel Heroes & Villains print" originally sold for $89.99; a quick search shows a copy
sold in 2015 for $125; What does Kevin have on his copy?? $460!! three times the amount. This is a stunt I would pull if I was NOT trying to sale something I wanted
to keep.. Put a price on it so high, no one would ever consider it.

The other thing I noticed is he still has a ton of Kevin Long's artwork for sale and even with the RTT Kickstarter's artwork was Kevin Long's, signed by Kevin Siembieda.
If that is not spitting in Mr. Long's face.. I don't know what is..

This clearly shows we will never get Robotech Tactics, as Morgan Vening pointed out. We have not seen any kind of 3D renderings of any wave 2 models, Not even the Monster
that I think about every backer purchased. If they went into production today in China, It would be very hard to make it to backers by Christmas with each step taking about a month.
And you know if Kevin as doing anything, he would be screaming it from the rooftops saying how great he is getting it done.

Wow. Not being subtle there at all. Robotech has a trademark symbol, but nothing else does?

Surprised they haven't tried another Crisis of Treachery sale asking fan-friends to bail them out of their current situation.

Kevin is always mentioning his ebay store, but I don't recall a "liquidation sale" of all his collectibles.

If what I've heard is true, they were his retirement fund.
If he is getting rid of them all, then what is that telling us?

Also, pretty sure I've seen Rick admit that he got nothing for his efforts at a Legal Tsunami (tm).

 n815e wrote:
Also, pretty sure I've seen Rick admit that he got nothing for his efforts at a Legal Tsunami (tm).

Offhand, he's been very cagey about it in the past.

I mean, let's not talk about him like he isn't here... Rick, would you kindly clarify, precisely, in plain language without flowery allusions or subtext necessary, what refund you did or did not get, and if you cannot specify that due to some measure of NDA or other agreement, a clarification on that instead?

The exact timeline is fuzzy, but there was an extended period of time leading to the "Legal Tsunami", followed by a few weeks (a month perhaps?) of uncharacteristic silence, a return with a strangely subdued Rick in place, a period of bemoaning how the community failed to rise up together, and now our usual firebrand.

Apologies if this isn't perfectly accurate, it's off the top of my head, and keeping track of Palladium's bullgak is enough of a hobby without needing to be able to cite 30 posts to back every last bit up there.

But I think it's at least close in the broad strokes.

That said, I'm open to clarification from the source himself.

I thought we thought Rick got his $140 back, or something similar?

Along with a 'shut your yapper' gag order on it too, I'm sure?

A small price to pay to avoid a Legal Tsunami™, amirite?

 Forar wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Also, pretty sure I've seen Rick admit that he got nothing for his efforts at a Legal Tsunami (tm).

Offhand, he's been very cagey about it in the past.

I mean, let's not talk about him like he isn't here... Rick, would you kindly clarify, precisely, in plain language without flowery allusions or subtext necessary, what refund you did or did not get, and if you cannot specify that due to some measure of NDA or other agreement, a clarification on that instead?

The exact timeline is fuzzy, but there was an extended period of time leading to the "Legal Tsunami", followed by a few weeks (a month perhaps?) of uncharacteristic silence, a return with a strangely subdued Rick in place, a period of bemoaning how the community failed to rise up together, and now our usual firebrand.

Apologies if this isn't perfectly accurate, it's off the top of my head, and keeping track of Palladium's bullgak is enough of a hobby without needing to be able to cite 30 posts to back every last bit up there.

But I think it's at least close in the broad strokes.

That said, I'm open to clarification from the source himself.

Nothing to say. Now excuse me while I stoke some embers

Well, if they gave me back the $500 and change I'm owed, I'd probably stop engaging in nefarious/assholish activities also.

Although I'd have to find something else to amuse myself then.




[Edit] I would love to know also, just on the off chance that anyone else has the slightest chance to recoup ANYTHING.

 Forar wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Also, pretty sure I've seen Rick admit that he got nothing for his efforts at a Legal Tsunami (tm).

Offhand, he's been very cagey about it in the past.

I mean, let's not talk about him like he isn't here... Rick, would you kindly clarify, precisely, in plain language without flowery allusions or subtext necessary, what refund you did or did not get, and if you cannot specify that due to some measure of NDA or other agreement, a clarification on that instead?

The exact timeline is fuzzy, but there was an extended period of time leading to the "Legal Tsunami", followed by a few weeks (a month perhaps?) of uncharacteristic silence, a return with a strangely subdued Rick in place, a period of bemoaning how the community failed to rise up together, and now our usual firebrand.

Apologies if this isn't perfectly accurate, it's off the top of my head, and keeping track of Palladium's bullgak is enough of a hobby without needing to be able to cite 30 posts to back every last bit up there.

But I think it's at least close in the broad strokes.

That said, I'm open to clarification from the source himself.

I think your summary is the best we'll be getting.

I'm guessing PB's lawyers trumped Rick's "Legal Tsunami's-R-Us Lawyers" and he's got a nice gag order applied to himself.

Seems a might expensive to hire a lawyer for ( or to prevent ) obtaining $140.

I could see Kevin getting a lawyer to make sure everything was sealed up and no leaks down the road to stop an actual tsunami of refund seekers.

Being spiteful, sneaky, and vengeful is free however.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Forar wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Also, pretty sure I've seen Rick admit that he got nothing for his efforts at a Legal Tsunami (tm).

Offhand, he's been very cagey about it in the past.

I mean, let's not talk about him like he isn't here... Rick, would you kindly clarify, precisely, in plain language without flowery allusions or subtext necessary, what refund you did or did not get, and if you cannot specify that due to some measure of NDA or other agreement, a clarification on that instead?

The exact timeline is fuzzy, but there was an extended period of time leading to the "Legal Tsunami", followed by a few weeks (a month perhaps?) of uncharacteristic silence, a return with a strangely subdued Rick in place, a period of bemoaning how the community failed to rise up together, and now our usual firebrand.

Apologies if this isn't perfectly accurate, it's off the top of my head, and keeping track of Palladium's bullgak is enough of a hobby without needing to be able to cite 30 posts to back every last bit up there.

But I think it's at least close in the broad strokes.

That said, I'm open to clarification from the source himself.

I think your summary is the best we'll be getting.

I'm guessing PB's lawyers trumped Rick's "Legal Tsunami's-R-Us Lawyers" and he's got a nice gag order applied to himself.

Hmph, Ambulance chasers could trump PB's lawyers

How do you explain the gag order you're under then?

I mean, I don't think I'd agree to 'shut up' for $140!

 Alpharius wrote:
How do you explain the gag order you're under then?

I mean, I don't think I'd agree to 'shut up' for $140!

Who said I was quiet ?

Your refusal to clearly answer simple questions speaks volumes.

But at this point I'm half convinced you just get off on the attention by being willfully obtuse on the matter, so unless you have something substantial to say, I'm going to drop the matter.

Always alluding to things but never actually saying anything directly...

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Asterios wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
How do you explain the gag order you're under then?

I mean, I don't think I'd agree to 'shut up' for $140!

Who said I was quiet ?

Oh?

By all means then, give us the full tale of The Legal Tsunami™, start to finish!

Spare us no detail!

Tell us how Palladium was able to heroically stave off certain doom!

 Forar wrote:
Your refusal to clearly answer simple questions speaks volumes.

But at this point I'm half convinced you just get off on the attention by being willfully obtuse on the matter, so unless you have something substantial to say, I'm going to drop the matter.

Always alluding to things but never actually saying anything directly...

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Please do, Me I avoid it all together since nothing to say or be said.

Hogwash.

It would probably be best if you dial down the bravado, bluster and economic and legal predictions of doom then.

Seriously.

Unsubstantiated speculation, but I always suspected the silence has been that he couldn't admit his "legal tsunami" failed, and rather than admit so, he hid behing "non-disclosure".

Because remember, it wasn't that he was going to get his money back. It was that it was going to bankrupt Palladium.

To me it's always come across that he's too afraid to admit he wasn't able to get his pound of flesh, so he's just been cagey about it, to soothe his bruised ego. That, as Forar and Alpha have pointed back, he's back to being the donkeycave he was before the claim, indicates there's no actual NDA in place.

I can understand having gotten your money back, and still following along. I did, in essence. But I can't understand still having the vitriol that he does. For me, it's ALL about the comedy (though there's empathy for people still caught in this). But there's no hate. No spite. And I just can't imagine someone getting their money back being so hateful.

So, I suspect the refund just never happened.

Bah, Rick has recieved no refund - he's just continuing to be a thorn in PB's side.

If this so-called liquidation sale is true, hopefully it means PB is on the verge of going out business for real. It's the only way we're going to learn the state of this schroedinger's KS - though we can all pretty much guess its actual state.

Morgan Vening wrote:
Unsubstantiated speculation, but I always suspected the silence has been that he couldn't admit his "legal tsunami" failed, and rather than admit so, he hid behing "non-disclosure".

Because remember, it wasn't that he was going to get his money back. It was that it was going to bankrupt Palladium.

To me it's always come across that he's too afraid to admit he wasn't able to get his pound of flesh, so he's just been cagey about it, to soothe his bruised ego. That, as Forar and Alpha have pointed back, he's back to being the donkeycave he was before the claim, indicates there's no actual NDA in place.

I can understand having gotten your money back, and still following along. I did, in essence. But I can't understand still having the vitriol that he does. For me, it's ALL about the comedy (though there's empathy for people still caught in this). But there's no hate. No spite. And I just can't imagine someone getting their money back being so hateful.

So, I suspect the refund just never happened.

This does sound like the most likely outcome.

Morgan Vening wrote:
Unsubstantiated speculation, but I always suspected the silence has been that he couldn't admit his "legal tsunami" failed, and rather than admit so, he hid behing "non-disclosure".

Because remember, it wasn't that he was going to get his money back. It was that it was going to bankrupt Palladium.

To me it's always come across that he's too afraid to admit he wasn't able to get his pound of flesh, so he's just been cagey about it, to soothe his bruised ego. That, as Forar and Alpha have pointed back, he's back to being the donkeycave he was before the claim, indicates there's no actual NDA in place.

I can understand having gotten your money back, and still following along. I did, in essence. But I can't understand still having the vitriol that he does. For me, it's ALL about the comedy (though there's empathy for people still caught in this). But there's no hate. No spite. And I just can't imagine someone getting their money back being so hateful.

So, I suspect the refund just never happened.

To each his own, never said one thing one way or the other, so believe what you want, it bothers me not

Great?

But:

 Alpharius wrote:

It would probably be best if you dial down the bravado, bluster and economic and legal predictions of doom then.

Seriously.

Because not only is it getting a little 'one note', it really is grating and now, apparently, pretty fictional too.

See, it *should* bother you just a tiny bit. Because:

1) You claim you want to see them in financial ruin.

2) You allude, but never say outright, that you received some sort of refund.

Therefore:

1a) You actually DON'T want to see them ruined, which would call your contempt of them into question ... or...

2a) You would be leaking information on how to accomplish said refund, resulting in point 1.


So my thought process is, you didn't get a refund so you have no details to share, even privately. Hell, I'll give you my cell number right now.

Because if you DID get a refund, you would be silently squealing to anyone you thought had near the level of contempt to you claim to have.

It's far too late for you to act aloof and above all this, handing out simple handwaves to the naysayers.

 Forar wrote:
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

My all time favorite philosopher, I knew I liked you for a reason!

At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.
- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Asterios wrote:
To each his own, never said one thing one way or the other, so believe what you want, it bothers me not

Yeah, that really is intentionally an attention seeking behavior.
Or at the very least acting "superior" with no merit to show for it.
Yep: irritating.
I think I liked it more when you contribute in general not what appears to be "fake" inside knowledge.
I believe that to be truth, please feel free to care enough to make clear so we in turn could actually care about what you have to say.
Smoke and mirrors is unbecoming.

Ah welll, banned on the PB Facebook page and getting a slap on the wrist on the PB forums - apparently you can critisiise but not name and shame? - I will have to watch my P's and Q's.

A gaming friend was expressing his continued disgust at Prodos and their AVP KS, but I wondered if PB might just decide, like be like Prodos, who accidentely (convenient as it was) shut down their AVP KS page and kept it closed. Might be manna from heaven for Kev and co as they will see/read no critisism and can carry on believing they are the premier rpg company in the world - or is that megaverse

Why don't they kill the page or let it die?

I'm guessing either because it acts as a self contained place for people to vent without sullying their forums or Facebook anymore than they already do, or because it'd be taken by some as an admission that the jig is up.

Their whole attitude these last few years has been very "cover your ass", seeming to make token updates and token baby steps of progress, but nothing substantial. Doing something drastic like shutting the page down might seen as solving one problem and creating two more. Right now it's a mix of the disaffected.

Killing it outright might push some of those people to pursue refunds more seriously.

Also it acts as a record of that token progress, for their defenders and themselves alike. "Look, they posted around 200 updates!" (conveniently ignoring that around 100 of them were posted during the campaign back in 2013)

The liquidation sale does have me wondering.

Is PB in such dire financial woes that they have resorted to this to generate some operating funds? It would seem to coincide with Carmen's ks failure and the pressure Kevin was putting on Carmen to launch. Without that ks funding, Kevin needs alternative sources of income?

Is Kevin looking to retire? If what we've been told is true and Kevin invested in toys, hoping that a collectors market would increase their value and provide him a retirement fund, then perhaps this is his attempt to leave the biz.

Or do they realize that the damage they've done to their brand with this ks means they need to resolve it soon? Perhaps they are looking for a cash injection to close things out so that they can be rid of us and continue with business as usual.

 Forar wrote:
Why don't they kill the page or let it die?

Or, being a bunch of glue-huffing technophobes, they just might not have any idea how?


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Oh...and happy 3 month between updates day!

Fake edit: "Forever! Projects are not closed or taken down, they remain on site for reference and transparency. For the same reasons, projects cannot be deleted, even if they were canceled or unsuccessful. Please note that deleting your Kickstarter account will not delete your project."

Seems Kickstarter thought of this one. I guess if HG really wanted to be best buddies they could make a claim against it as happened (or allegedly happened, I wasn't following that closely) to the AvP campaign, but that brings us back to my point about possibly creating more problems than they solve with such an action.

They've been feigning (tepid, minimal) progress for years. Killing the page or allowing it to be killed off puts that lie to the test.

I don't anything about a liquidation sale. Those Princess Leia Figures were $70-$90 two months ago. And now I see one for $300. I guess with Carrie's death, Kevin can't help to miss an opportunity... Unless that we are talkin' about RRT.

 n815e wrote:
Is Kevin looking to retire? If what we've been told is true and Kevin invested in toys, hoping that a collectors market would increase their value and provide him a retirement fund, then perhaps this is his attempt to leave the biz.

Yeah, right, investing in toys as a 'retirement plan', sure, that's the real reason people buy toys.

Just invest in real estate, geez, it's not that hard if you've got money to do actual investing. The toy market is probably better for short term investing (buy limited stock to flip quickly to people who couldn't get it - i.e. scalping) than long term. In the long term, you're selling to people who are willing to wait until the price is right.