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Shrike can join a Jump Unit and infiltrate with it.

Let's look at the rules.

Shrike's rule says: Before deploying, he may only join units of Jump Infantry.

Under Independant Character Joining and Leaving a Unit, page 166: An Independant Character can begin the game already with a unit, either by being deployed in unit coherency with it, or if the unit is in Reserve, by informing your opponent of which unit it has joined.

In previous editions, it was clear that you showed that an IC was deployed with a unit by placing the figure down on the table with the unit already on the table. Thus, if the unit did not have Infiltrate, than Shrike could be joined to it, but only during normal deployment (or kept in Reserve with a unit, or Infiltrate on his own).


Now, it clearly states, Before deploying, he may only join units of Jump Infantry. So in the game, before deployment starts, you announce he is joing a unit of Jump Infantry. Since they now have a model with Infiltrate, the unit can be deployed during the Infiltrate phase. There's nothing that says you show he has joined the unit when he is placed on the table. You just have to show him deployed on the table with the unit. Shrike's rule specifies that he can join a unit before deployment. It is a minute change from before, but it is clear that you don't have to put the unit down first using its normal deployment rules.


So clearly, Shrike can join a Jump unit before deployment, and then when it comes time to Infiltrate said unit, do so. I am so confused why people keep saying he can't.

I have a feeling the problem is more to do with the IC and special rules section.

i've asked the same thing in a YMDC thread, but haven't yet got an answer

Hrm, I've scanned the IC rules and the special rules sections and have seen nothing that prohibits Shrike and his unit from Infiltrating.

General Hobbs wrote:


Hrm, I've scanned the IC rules and the special rules sections and have seen nothing that prohibits Shrike and his unit from Infiltrating.

Read the Rules FAQ.

General Hobbs wrote:


Hrm, I've scanned the IC rules and the special rules sections and have seen nothing that prohibits Shrike and his unit from Infiltrating.

Games Workshop FAQ. Specifically...

Page 166 - Independent Character, Independent Characters and Infiltrate
Change this Sentence to read:
'An Independent Character without the Infiltrate special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment and vice versa.'

I'm on the Black Library website right now looking at the FAQ and I don't see that line anywhere.

General Hobbs wrote:


I'm on the Black Library website right now looking at the FAQ and I don't see that line anywhere.

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Errata/Warhammer_40000/Warhammer_40000_Rules_EN.pdf

Column two, toward the top.

In any event.....it still does not prohibit Shrike from joining a Jump Unit and Infiltrating. The line says ...join....DURING deployment and Vice Versa. You join Shrike to the unit before deployment.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I'm on the Black Library website right now looking at the FAQ and I don't see that line anywhere.

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Errata/Warhammer_40000/Warhammer_40000_Rules_EN.pdf

Column two, toward the top.

Ah! The Black Library FAQ is different.

If you read the line and apply it literally, what it is saying is A. You can't put a unit of Infiltrators down on the table, and then come back and put an IC without Infiltrate with them. and B. that you can't put an IC with Infiltrate on the table and then put down a unit without Infiltrate with it. As I stated before, you can, by virtue of his codex rule, join Shrike to a Jump Unit before deployment starts and since he's already joined and part of the unit, that line does not apply to him.

Indeed, the early text I quoted shows that you can get around the FAQ update with pretty much any character joined to a unit before deployment stats
that infiltrates, RAW.

General Hobbs wrote:


In any event.....it still does not prohibit Shrike from joining a Jump Unit and Infiltrating. The line says ...join....DURING deployment and Vice Versa. You join Shrike to the unit before deployment.

If you pulled that on me, I would allow it. Because stupid rule is stupid and Shrike needs the boost.

HIWPI would be to let the person do it, of course. It's still amazing how bad they are at writing their own rules sometimes, though.

Screw RG. Fluff puts them as jet packing, shadow, H2h masters, Trying to cram 3 chapters into 1.
Typical Thorpe and his stupid ideas. He thinks hes writing elves.

How many Space Marine books have had this same issue with Shrike in it now - are we up to three in a row?

The first time they FAQ'd it. Second time they did nothing. This time I think they figured it was covered in the rules if people would just actually read them.

Clearly that's not the case.

So, how many years has their unclear wording been running on this one?

I know i haven't used Shrike for.... at least 3 years. Too expensive, non clear rules, and seriously a captain with no 2+ save is stupid (this includes Khan as well, although he's more useful and cheaper....). I gotta go back to using Korvydae (even though he doesn't have chapter tactics, but he's an HQ for a Raven Guard army), who is more useful, cheaper, and has freaking artificer armour....

heh....Shrike plus ASM/VV and drop pods/Skyhammer is/should be crazy good.