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 Chongara wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Just found this: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/25/christian-pastor-promises-to-set-himself-on-fire-if-gay-marriage-is-legalized-nationwide-audio/

Well, lets see if he follows through on that promise.

I would hope not. I dislike [CENSORED] that mouth off too much as much as the next guy but let's not start rooting for other people to die here.

No one said die, just set on fire. Like Darkman.

 Chongara wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Just found this: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/25/christian-pastor-promises-to-set-himself-on-fire-if-gay-marriage-is-legalized-nationwide-audio/

Well, lets see if he follows through on that promise.

I would hope not. I dislike [CENSORED] that mouth off too much as much as the next guy but let's not start rooting for other people to die here.

Who said anything about dying? the man said he would light himself on fire, he didn't say he would burn himself to death, or did he? I didn't bother to read the article because....Balance.

From Justice Kennedy's ruling:



Damn that's some fine lawyering.

Also, I love that "It is so ordered", does that happen in all Supreme Court rulings? Has kind of a "So let it be written. So let it be done" vibe from Pharaoh in the Moses stories from the Bible.

I made the mistake of heading out to the FoxNews site and maybe get a laugh out of all the comments to this story... worse decision I made since viewing 2G1C!

Other than that: good for you US, good for you!

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Just found this: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/25/christian-pastor-promises-to-set-himself-on-fire-if-gay-marriage-is-legalized-nationwide-audio/

Well, lets see if he follows through on that promise.

I think we should all e-mail/call/snail mail this guy a single phrase; "No Balls"

I don't want him to do it. Partly because I don't think he deserves to die just because he's an idiot and also because I think it would be a spit in the face of everyone who has given their lives in such a painful, horrible way in order to raise awareness of real persecution (i.e. Quang Duc in Vietnam).

How does one not deserve to die?
If he doesn't want to live on this planet anymore because he truly believes in what he preaches then all power to him to do so and follow through.

In a few years when Gays start persecuting religious folks then they can look back on this. (if he follow suit)

Anyway way Good on Scoots. about time anyway.

Ah, Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi, you are both amazing

https://vine.co/v/eJuAqVHgXKd
(Make sure you turn the sound on )

If you want to see someone who did something worthwhile with his life, and still committed suicide by self-immolation, there's this man:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/15/rev-charles-moore-self-immolation_n_5584506.html

Our "Long National Nightmare" is finally over.... just like how Roe v. Wade settled abortion... oh wait.

Okay, just like the 14th Amendment settled voting laws and rights for Black People.... oh wait....

How about how the Civil Rights Act settled Jim Crow .... oh..... hmmm.

Just like the Brady Bill saved us from guns..... ummmm..... wait....

Maybe our Long National Nightmare" isn't over yet.

The best part of this: all the people on twitter saying they're done with the USA now, and they're moving to Canada

It's been legal here for a DECADE; they're gonna be real disappointed after they went to all that trouble

Seriously though, America can keep the bigots, we don't want them...

False equivalency, since most of those things were decisions on a point of Constitutional law, which this is. Jim Crow laws *were* nullified by the CRA. That groups of people and organizations found other means to work around them (and never openly) is besides the point, for in every case where it was demonstrated that such laws were a violation of the 14th Amendment, they were overturned.

What this ruling has said is that it is against the Constitution of the United States to deny marriage rights to a couple based on sexual orientation. Full stop.

This basically kills any legal challenge to gay marriage in the courts, because there is no overriding of the Constitution. In order to reverse this decision, an actual amendment to the Constitution will need to be drafted and accepted.

Hehehe, just read through some of the current presidential candidates' responses to this. These two really stand out to me:

""The Supreme Court decision today conveniently and not surprisingly follows public opinion polls, and tramples on states' rights that were once protected by the 10th Amendment of the Constitution. Marriage between a man and a woman was established by God, and no earthly court can alter that," Jindal said." --You know what, Bobby? The First Amendment would like to have a word with you regarding using religion to make law.

"New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said, "I agree with Justice - Chief Justice Roberts. As you know, that this is something that should be decided by the people and not by, I think he called them, five lawyers. I agree with that, I've said that before as to our Supreme Court. That this is something that shouldn't be decided by a group of lawyers, but should be decided by the people."" --Yes, because a much larger group of lawyers, doctors, etc. (i.e. Congress) will certainly do a good job of accomplishing what the people actually want. They've done such a good job of it so far, right?

Not to mention that I bet if there had been a referendum and gay marriage legalised by popular vote of the people, these politicians would have been running to the Supreme Court to try to get it nullified

I mean look at this:

The Supreme Court decision today conveniently and not surprisingly follows public opinion polls

Does he mean that the government shouldn't do what the majority of the populace wants? Pretty undemocratic, if you ask me

Ghazkuul wrote:I honestly don't know because im one of the worst Catholics ever, but did the pope OK Gay marriage yet? The reason I ask is because of my earlier post.

As far as the marriage thing, the term marriage is a religious one from way back when the different denominations of each religion have differed but they pretty much agree to call it marriage. Anyway it was about time to pass that ruling! I mean even Ireland beat us

To your first question: I think the pope has done everything but flat out say it, as another person said here, he's been much more "lenient" towards it than anyone prior to him. I also think that the Church knew what they were doing and getting into when they elected a Jesuit to the post.

As to your second point, as I already pointed out in this thread, it isn't.... but if you'd care for the history of the Church's relationship with marriage, by all means, look through the numerous threads that nearly approximate "marriage" on these boards, I know that I myself, and many others have given brief rundowns on how it came to be that the Fox News crowd have the belief they do today.

A Town Called Malus wrote:Just found this: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/25/christian-pastor-promises-to-set-himself-on-fire-if-gay-marriage-is-legalized-nationwide-audio/

Well, lets see if he follows through on that promise.

Actually, Reading this, and scrolling through the thread, I had an idea that made me go back and quote this specifically.

I think it'd be absolutely awesome if this pastor got everything together. The stake, the wood, the gasoline/kerosene/lighter fluid, whatever together, all set up and ready. All he has to do is step onto the pyre and light the match and it's all done. Then.... Right as he's about to do it, he drops the match and says something to the effect of "God's love" and how he was so wrong, and really goes that extra mile to show how ridiculous some people have been in fighting this issue.

No less than 5 of my friends from high school are married with kids.

Military personnel are notorious for marrying the first stripper they meet out of boot camp for BAH, then leaving for a long deployment and coming back to a divorce.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
I honestly don't know because im one of the worst Catholics ever, but did the pope OK Gay marriage yet? The reason I ask is because of my earlier post.

No.

And it most likely will never happen within the Catholic Church, as Marriage is a sacrament with procreation as an express purpose.

Nice!

I would like to take a second and thank Ronald Reagan for this decision.


Bwahahahahahahahahaha

 cincydooley wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:
I honestly don't know because im one of the worst Catholics ever, but did the pope OK Gay marriage yet? The reason I ask is because of my earlier post.

No.

And it most likely will never happen within the Catholic Church, as Marriage is a sacrament with procreation as an express purpose.

This is one of those areas where I tend to think "Never say never.”

The Catholic Church tends to move very slowly, but it does have this instinct for survival.

I think that if we see two more popes as progressive as Francis, one of them will concoct some Theological Justification to forgive homosexuality, and even allow Atheists to receive communion (They already allow "Agnostics" - they have a definition of the TYPE of Agnostic you have to be).

The Catholic Church is about saving everyone... And their rules to that end have become more accepting of reality as time passes, even if it takes a while (only 500 years with Galileo, but they finally got around to it).

MB


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 Piston Honda wrote:
I would like to take a second and thank Ronald Reagan for this decision.


Bwahahahahahahahahaha

I cannot exalt this post enough (I knew there was a reason I voted for Reagan).

MB

Today is a very happy day.

government has no place in marriage. if its going to go ahead and stick its nose in, then this is a good decision. now gimme cake!

Francis has basiclly said love thy neighbor should apply to homosexuals, too.

Doesn't mean they going to change the sacraments, which are foundational to the catechism.

 MrDwhitey wrote:


Nice!

Oh hell no! Tell bryan to kindly piss off.


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 Frazzled wrote:
government has no place in marriage. if its going to go ahead and stick its nose in, then this is a good decision. now gimme cake!

Can use the basis for this ruling to allow Weed in all states now?

What about licensed Conceal Carry? Doesn't this lend weight to reciprocity now?

Or prostitution! I can't wait to see my FB feed full of porn.

Huh, how does this decision have anything to do with that?

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Huh, how does this decision have anything to do with that?

He used equal protection clause to argue that States must respect out-of-state SSM.

When you boil it down, it's a state license.

Ergo, it open doors.

There's calls right now to legalize polygamy.

 cincydooley wrote:
Or prostitution! I can't wait to see my FB feed full of porn.

I would fully endorse the decriminalization of prostitution, but only after a major effort to end human trafficking of women forced into it. If they do it willingly and of their own free will, I'd support it. But with human trafficking a real thing you can not be sure who's their willingly and who's forced.

It's similar, but there is an important difference, marriage already existed in those states, and gay people didn't have the law apply equally to them, if there is no concealed carry, prostitution, and legalized marriage, that argument fails. The law is being applied equally to all people. It's not like there is a select group of people who are allowed to smoke pot or something.

Edit: I could see polygamy though. I don't have any objections to that personally.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
It's similar, but there is an important difference, marriage already existed in those states, and gay people didn't have the law apply equally to them, if there is no concealed carry, prostitution, and legalized marriage, that argument fails. The law is being applied equally to all people. It's not like there is a select group of people who are allowed to smoke pot or something.

Edit: I could see polygamy though. I don't have any objections to that personally.

well as far as medical pot, meet this guy, one of 4 the US federal government gives joints to while saying states can't decriminalize medical use:

http://irvinrosenfeld.com/order-now/

He's the guy who smokes in front of the white house.

If you think his dealer is thrilled to have a client who has smoked 10 to 12 joints a day for the past 28 years, you're wrong. Rosenfeld, who suffers from a rare form of bone cancer, isn't your typical weed smoker, and his dealer isn't your typical drug pusher. He gets his joints -- 300 at a time, one shipment every 25 days -- courtesy of the United States federal government.

Congratulations on the SCOTUS for making the only correct decision possible in this case. Now hopefully USCIS can start granting same sex couples the same immigration privileges as heterosexual couples.

Very proud of SCOTUS. Aside from the positively ludicrous claim of Scalia that this decision was an "... attack on democracy...", i thought ALL the opinions were at least well reasoned and written, and very happy that they ruled how they did. Ditto on the (latest!) ACA ruling as well. Been a good session for SCOTUS rulings so far overall.


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 MrDwhitey wrote:


Nice!

LOL, but that fething burn can. That's awesome.