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Terminators are a funny unit when it comes to their weapons options, they have this misfit in the tanks and that's the cyclone yet I see lots of people take them when they do take terminatos. The problem I have with the cyclone isn't that it doesn't have a good statline but how in gods name do you field it? This missle pod is found on another unit the contempor Mortis and here it makes sense. The Mortis has lots of 48" ranged weapons so the cyclone has some natural synergy with it, you can also have a few ranged weapons options that could also work with it providing yourself with some different variety in ranges.

However the terminator has no such synergy. The terminator unlike his cousin the Mortis has a real problem of range. If he isn't in a raider with the intent of assaulting and operating in 12" most of the time he's deepstriking and operating at 24-36" and at this range you can have much higher quality guns like the assault cannon and the plasma cannon (da) as prime examples of a ranged weapon to amplify their shooting power. And they aren't so long range as to be incredibly lofty goals to reach and punch to death (as that's what terminators primarily are a close range assault infantry) and their storm bolters can sometimes even supplement. Their firepower at a reasonable distance

The cyclone however creates a polarizing effect, a terminator will rarely ever travel 48" across a table without a transport to help them. And any target the missle pod engages can't be supplemented by the storm bolters at this range nor for quite a long distance away.

Alternatively deploying from a raider again the cyclone is worthless because chances are your deploying to charge someone and that means an assault cannon or a heavy flamer would of been a cheaper and more effective weapon to deploy.

So why do I see as many people as I do take the missles? It clearly isn't to amplify the shooting power of the terminators and it's not to improve their close assault capacity like the flamer. It's a 48" missle pod that is mounted to a 12-24" unit that likes to punch things.

I don't understand the gameplay logic either, but feth do they look cool.

Terminators as a whole are just awful, terrible, schizophrenic units, like the Land Raiders that carry them. Only Hammernators make any kind of sense.

 j31c3n wrote:
Terminators as a whole are just awful, terrible, schizophrenic units, like the Land Raiders that carry them. Only Hammernators make any kind of sense.

idk the heavy flamer makes some sense as does the chainfist, the chainfist is a great way to crack open armor and your allowed a good amount of them their a good weapon to take.

The heavy flamer again is a good weapon for assaulting from a transport as it can help thin down numbers.

The lcs/halberd of caliban is another good weapon if on a sgt/character because you can use it to single out nasty stuff like killsaws and powerklaws that traditionally have been known to wipe out whole squads of terminators.

The power sword is by far the worst melee item them have though as it's totally useless, and the assault cannon, and plasma cannon are good weapons if your fielding a terminator suicide squad specifically to kill something. Using dark Angels vs tau as an example, deepstrike a plasma cannon in next to some crisis suits, drop a pie plate and with vengeful strike everybody takes a s8 ap2 hit on 2's! You can insta a lot of crisis suits that way.

Plasma cannons are one of the worst weapons in the entire codex. You'll be lucky to hit two models.

Terminators are schizophrenic because they come with power fists (choppy!) and storm bolters (shooty!) Then they have the option to take a long-range missile launcher and a medium range minigun. What is this unit supposed to do? It's not very good at either role, honestly.

Originally, the terminator was the baddest thing the marines had as far as troops (so we're not counting tanks and dreds)
They were supposed to be able to "do it all" (and survive).
Unfortunately it seems that as new units have been added and rules updated, the termies have not :( thus have lost their role and don't seem to make sense anymore (especially next to centurians and the like)

*edit*
I should also add that back then, you could only field a couple tanks at most, so when you were choosing who to give a ride to, you knew your termies were likely to survive trudging down the field on foot, so long range weapons were useful on them until they finally got in close.

nothing wrong with the cyclone in DW armies. Due to split fire it can target something that the other terms can't hurt. It also has reroll misses on turn it deepstrikes. Much better than the plasma cannon.

Krak missiles are no longer embarassing as they were, because lascannons suck too now. It's better to have two crappy shots instead of a single crappy shot.

Storm Bolters are the worst Terminator weapons. :p

The Cyclone is awesome.

There is nothing awesome about the cyclone. All of its ammo choices are relatively weak. If terminators could get a grav cannon, then they would be doing something.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Storm Bolters are the worst Terminator weapons. :p
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Incorrect. The correct answer is the Storm Bolter in the Blood Angel codex since they are (apparently) the worst army ever

Cyclone Missile Launcher the worst termie weapon???
Not when you take siege termies and have them as stock

You can make bike units jink and allows contribution if there aren't things near for them to shoot.
Assault Cannon is overall better, but those two factors bring me back to the CML. The lucky ID here and there is cool too.

SGTPozy wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Storm Bolters are the worst Terminator weapons. :p
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Incorrect. The correct answer is the Storm Bolter in the Blood Angel codex since they are (apparently) the worst army ever

Now now Maybe GW'll FAQ the C:SM changes into..... sorry I can't even finish saying that. yeah they're screwed.

this really is the problem with the number of Marine 'dexes. if GW buffs Marine units someone is screwed. problem is I can't see how GW could fix this should of turning blood angels, dark angels and space wolves into supplemental 'dexes and saying. "ok for tatical sqauds refer to C:SM. here are your unique units!"