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I worked out a list for a 2000 point game. I was going for battle forged but am unsure if I've achieved that. The list comprises a demi company, a 1st company task force and an armoured devision.
All in I have 5 heavy support choices. Is this legal? Do I need to have the HQ + 2 troops extra or do the ones contained in the formation count towards this?

formations are completely seperate

Yup, this question has been answered many times... but since I'm too lazy to find any of the threads I'll just raise you this:

Thanks for your quick reply there but to be honest I still don't understand.


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Hey Icmiracle - cheers. That last post was in reply to mr BrianDavion there. Guess I was too lazy to search for these answers.


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In fact - that makes no sense. That suggests I could have 4 allied detachments and nothing else. I'm understanding less of the FOC by the minute.

Essentially, formations do not fit into a Combined Arms Detachment. If you want to create an army, you can create it using detachments (eg., the CAD), or using formations (eg. the 1st Company Task Force), or BOTH!

So in your case, that list would be perfectly legal. You can have a demi-company, 1st company task force and an armoured division all in your army. And all three of these are formations, which means that they are completely separate from the CAD. In other words, your do not need to worry about having 1 HQ and 2 Troops, because your army does not involve a CAD in any way. Your army is just a combination of formations.

BTW, if you have that specific combination of formations, look up pg. 112 of the Space Marine codex, where there is the Gladius Strike Force. All the Gladius Strike Force is, is a specific combination of formations. When you take that specific combination, you will get additional bonuses that apply to all models across all the formations, so it is worth taking a look at.

Good luck with your army!
Heirophant

But, the chart...
eh, ok let's see: so you have your good Ol' CAD and allied detachments. They each have their own, separate command benefits, like Objective Secured. Now you may have any number of either of these, as long as the total point cost of all the detachments does not exceed the allowance.
Now most codexes in 7th edition have their own, army-specific detachments that requires different unit compositions, like 1 Chapter Master in TDA, 3 Elites. They have different command benefits, and does not necessarily have objective secured. You can also have any number of these as long as your point allowance can bear.
Finally you have formations, which is a very strictly composited detachment -- like a Chapter Master on bike and 3 space marine bikes. They too have their own, separate command benefits. You may have as many as you army point cost is below your point allowance.
From all these detachment you must nominate a warlord, usually it must be a HQ from one of the detachments. Allied Detachment HQs can never be warlord.
Note that while Bay Area Tournament limits your army list to one CAD and one Allied Detachment, the rules do not forbid the use of more.

Nice one Hierophant. Thank you. Explained perfectly.

I had a look at the gladius strike force as well. Tried to make up a list for that but it looked a bit drab as I only own 2 rhinos and 1 drop pod to take advantage of.


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Also thanks Icmiracle. All very straight forward. Probably just over thinking it.

I had trouble figuring this out too. It sounds like rules-wise, "formation" and "detachment" are synonymous. You just use the formations in order to run a bunch of things in your list that wouldn't normally fit in a CAD, and not only still be battle-forged but also get unique benefits from the formations.

... keeping in mind that ObSec is not one of those benefits. Because it is listed as a benefit of the regular CAD and allied detachments, not most formations. Although unless your formation has all your troops in it this doesn't sound like a big deal.

The main difference between a regular detachment and formations is choices.

Where a detachment may require specific choices (heavy/troops/FA) a formation will list specific units (tac squads/bike squad)

Also, the reason you can't just take allied detachment is, your warlord cannot be taken from an allied detachment

Another difference is that formations can be taken into an unbound force, while normal detachments cannot.

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That suggests I could have 4 allied detachments and nothing else. I'm understanding less of the FOC by the minute.

No it doesn't suggest that.

Allied detachments can't match your warlord's faction and your army has to have a warlord. Ergo no warlord in allied detachment.

 lcmiracle wrote:
Yup, this question has been answered many times... but since I'm too lazy to find any of the threads I'll just raise you this:

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This is awesome. Crystal clear