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Dman137 wrote:
If someone tired to deep strike a land raider against me, id laugh in there face, not allowe them to and that would be that. You can't deep strike anything if you don't have anyone to play. Plain and simple. And also it's pretty clear that if you don't have the DS USR then you can't deep strike. Black and white, now for the love of god end this stupid discussion before it turns into the whole skyhammer IC bullcrap.

Read what you wrote again and then tell me your interpretations of all things 40k are so infallible that it would allow you to behave in such a...friendly...manner. I'm not even sure I'd want to play toy soldiers with such an individual...correct or not.

And if there is precedent for additional lines of thought, as per the Drop Pod Assault, Ghostwalk Mantle or Deep Strike USR then the discussion will continue. If you are no longer a fan of the discussion, you don't have to partake.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Agreed. People trying to make the da codex that much better cause they dealt with crap for so long

It's bad form to judge the motivations of others when you have no clue of their true intent. We risk coming across as armchair experts of human emotion.

For my part I am also playing devil's advocate and have no intentions to use a land raider in such a manner. A 250 point AV14 box is better spent on 5 more terminators or Dread/Pods. IMHO it's cheese. Still, your blanket statement holds little truth to why I'm working to clarify the rules. Further, it doesn't add to the discussion.

Back on topic, Ghostwalk Mantle also has the same wording as DPA, specific wording "enter play using the Deep Strike rules." As long as we are getting rid of non Deep Strike USR unit abilities that is another example.

With respect to DPA, being "in Reserves" and "enter play using Deep Strike rules" is pretty much the definition of Deep Strike Reseves. I don't see a clearer precedent.

I also find it odd the restrictions call out Dedicated transports. In that force you can only ever take Drop Pods or Land Raiders. Why not just say Drop Pods? Seems too general.

On the RW side, our group will allow IC on bike to conference RW rule. Removing the DW rule seems interesting and a good tradeoff.

This thread makes my head hurt.

HIWPI - Ravenwing Strike force can take 3 HQs, only 1 has Ravenwing special rule. Seems pretty clear the intent was to confer Ravenwing special rule. I would ask my opponent, however.

Deathwing - If I was playing against this, Land Raiders in normal reserves or normal deployment seems to make the most sense to me. I know this is not in the rules, but the OP asked for how they would play. Again, I would ask my opponent.

For IC's, No terminator armor, no deepstrike. Deploy normally or in normal reserve, but I would allow that as part of the formation. As always, I'm going to ask my opponent.

That's HIWPI, worth as much as it costs

Great news! http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Dark_Angels_v1.0_Dec15.pdf

Page 159 – Ravenwing Strike Force, Restrictions
Replace this with the following:
‘All units in this Detachment must have the Ravenwing
special rule (pg 148) or be a Dark Angels Character
equipped with a Space Marine bike.’

P.S. those land raiders can deep strike if it works for drop pods *crosses arms*

axisofentropy wrote:
P.S. those land raiders can deep strike if it works for drop pods *crosses arms*

Drop Pods come with the Deep Strike rule, Land Raiders do not. Not a valid comparison.

*Edit: Just double checked, and apparently they do not come with it natively. How interesting.

Charistoph wrote:

axisofentropy wrote:
P.S. those land raiders can deep strike if it works for drop pods *crosses arms*

Drop Pods come with the Deep Strike rule, Land Raiders do not. Not a valid comparison.

*Edit: Just double checked, and apparently they do not come with it natively. How interesting.

Yeah read back through the previous page. The "Drop Pod Assault" and "Summoned to War" rules are so similar.

Well the ravenwing issue is fixed in the newest FAQ stating it has to have the ravenwing special rule, or it has to be a Dark Angel character mounted on a Space Marine Bike for the formation.