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Did the 30k mechanicum include the cult mechanicus?, or is the cult mechanicus a thing formed in 40k?
Just asking as the tech-priest dominus has a volkite weapon, which is from 30k

Yes the same sort of organisations existed in 30k. They would be a bit different obviously, the 40k versions have 10,000 years of degradation...

The 30k Mechanicum was essentially destroyed during the Horus Heresy and reduced to a handful of isolated Forge Worlds and some three Techpriests who escaped Mars when the Forge World fell. They then rebuilt the Mechanicus from the ground up as a new organisation.

Emperor let them worship Machine Spirit, iirc.

Yeah--it would have gone through a process...after all the Emperor (equal to the Omnisiah) does not seem to come around until post heresy. When the rise of Imperial cults begin popping up everywhere.

Emperor as omnissiah was around during the heresy. It's one of the methods used to create the union between earth and mars in the first place

The Cult of the Machine God was as much a part of the Mechanicum as it is the Adeptus Mechanicus, the main difference was that the Mechanicum was divided on the issue of whether the Emperor was the prophesied living embodiment of the Machine God or not - a not insignificant number believed this to be the case from the moment he set foot on Mars.

I stand corrected--I was under the impression the Emperor strongly discouraged religious belief in himself.

 lordseamus wrote:
I stand corrected--I was under the impression the Emperor strongly discouraged religious belief in himself.

Yeah but the mechanicus worship the omnissiah, not the emperor, they either thought he was the embodiment of the omnissiah, or a prophet of the omnissiah
Its kinda bending the rules

 lordseamus wrote:
I stand corrected--I was under the impression the Emperor strongly discouraged religious belief in himself.

He didn't stop the billions of people on Terra worshipping him while he was walking around there. The concept of the Emperor as a sort of arch-atheist is... not well-supported by the totality of the background. It seems that what he mostly wanted was people not worshipping other gods, since most of them were the Ruinous Powers under other guises.

@Psienesis--and I am not arguing against you. Why did he come down so heavily on Lorgar for this same thing? All that did was make bitter enemies and push Lorgar to the point of worshiping the ruinous powers. I guess the Emperor just made some very bad decisions himself.

 lordseamus wrote:
@Psienesis--and I am not arguing against you. Why did he come down so heavily on Lorgar for this same thing? All that did was make bitter enemies and push Lorgar to the point of worshiping the ruinous powers. I guess the Emperor just made some very bad decisions himself.

Because Lorgar and the Word Bearers were not created to be missionaries, they were created to be conquerors. Lorgar and the Word Bearers were wasting too much time, in the Emperor's eyes. building monuments and assimilating the population of conquered worlds into the Imperial fold before moving on to the next one.

That was Lorgar's biggest crime: wasting time. The Emperor wanted another Russ/Angron/Horus... ironically, many of the worlds that Lorgar took remain, to this day, some of the most-steadfast in the Imperium.

Thank you, Psiensis. I remember now--was that from the HH novel, The First Heretic?

‘The Emperor advances the credo that belief in gods is a falsehood, but a condition of the Treaty of Olympus was that he swore not to interfere with our structures and society when Mars and Terra were joined.’ ~ Mechanicum

Worship of the Emperor was prohibited and heretical during the Crusade, but the Heresy really threw a spanner in the works. Think the opening of Ghostbusters 2 when the courtroom gets invaded by ghosts. That's the Siege of Terra.