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You mean Montreal that team that sucked balls and wouldn't have made the playoffs if their Goalie hadn't stood on his head the entire season? .933 Save percentage, Below a 2.00 GAA and 9 Shutouts (2nd in the league) he literally won the vezina with a GARBAGE team.
The Habs weren't/aren't a garbage team, just a defense first team. The majority of the shots they give up are from beyond the top of the face-off circle and/or the perimeter.
It would be nice though to see Bergevin bring in some more scoring...
gorgon wrote: Pittsburgh is a great situation for Kessel. The Pens don't need him to be a team leader, tone setter, defensive stalwart or franchise savior. They just need him to take the ice and score a ton of goals on Crosby's or Malkin's line (Crosby's line is my bet). And he'll do just that, barring injury.
Toronto may have had their issues with him, but I think he was also miscast for what they really needed. Besides, the Toronto media and fans can be a bit...shrill?
The Leafs are and always have been the #1 thing in TO. They're a year round topic, and their fanbase is frankly amazingly loyal & 100% legit, despite how awful the team has been for decades now.
It takes a true passion to keep the faith through almost 50 years of at best, slightly above average play. Hell, Montreal fans are known for burning & looting if we don't make the play-offs for a couple years! (granted, Montrealers burned a chunk of the city last time we won, so I guess that's not really saying much...)
But consider that right now, there's a federal election on-going, the Argos are tied for 1st in the east despite half their starting offensive line-up (including their QB) are all injured, and the Blue Jays are looking leagues better than their freaking '93 team! And yet, the Leafs are still the biggest topic across the GTA!
You mean Montreal that team that sucked balls and wouldn't have made the playoffs if their Goalie hadn't stood on his head the entire season? .933 Save percentage, Below a 2.00 GAA and 9 Shutouts (2nd in the league) he literally won the vezina with a GARBAGE team.
The Habs weren't/aren't a garbage team, just a defense first team. The majority of the shots they give up are from beyond the top of the face-off circle and/or the perimeter.
It would be nice though to see Bergevin bring in some more scoring...
gorgon wrote: Pittsburgh is a great situation for Kessel. The Pens don't need him to be a team leader, tone setter, defensive stalwart or franchise savior. They just need him to take the ice and score a ton of goals on Crosby's or Malkin's line (Crosby's line is my bet). And he'll do just that, barring injury.
Toronto may have had their issues with him, but I think he was also miscast for what they really needed. Besides, the Toronto media and fans can be a bit...shrill?
The Leafs are and always have been the #1 thing in TO. They're a year round topic, and their fanbase is frankly amazingly loyal & 100% legit, despite how awful the team has been for decades now.
It takes a true passion to keep the faith through almost 50 years of at best, slightly above average play. Hell, Montreal fans are known for burning & looting if we don't make the play-offs for a couple years! (granted, Montrealers burned a chunk of the city last time we won, so I guess that's not really saying much...)
But consider that right now, there's a federal election on-going, the Argos are tied for 1st in the east despite half their starting offensive line-up (including their QB) are all injured, and the Blue Jays are looking leagues better than their freaking '93 team! And yet, the Leafs are still the biggest topic across the GTA!
you can say montreal was a good team last year but according to all the stats they sucked. key players dropped significantly. If Carry Price wasn't such a supreme Bad arse the habs would have never made the playoffs. look at goal differential and shot differential. If it wasn't for Price it would have been GG.
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I will gladly start up a Fantasy league on yahoo if enough people send me their e-mails so I can invite you. What I would like from you lot though is what stats you would like to have for points: basic ones will be
Some of the less common ones that I have used in the past are hits, Face Off wins, Face off % and blocked shots. If we have any Montreal fans I will be completely willing to add Diving as a category to
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More of an NHL network question/comment. I have been going on there every day or two to look for any kind of programs, news stories or older hockey games with the Bruins. For instance today they are running Stanley Cup games from 2002-2010, just shy of when the Bruins won the stanley cup, and this has been a long running trend. The only time I see anything on about the Bruins in a positive light it is always in regards to OLD Bruins players like Eddie Shore and Bobby Orr.
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Dennis Seidenberg out 6-8 weeks for back surgery, (herniated Disk)
Zdeno Chara, Left the game tonight with an upper body injur
Dougie Hamilton, Traded away for draft picks
Matt Bartkowski, let go as well.
So out of our 6 defensemen we had last year we have 3 left. Krug, Miller and Mcquaid.....not exactly a promising start to the season.
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Ghazkuul wrote: I will gladly start up a Fantasy league on yahoo if enough people send me their e-mails so I can invite you. What I would like from you lot though is what stats you would like to have for points: basic ones will be
Some of the less common ones that I have used in the past are hits, Face Off wins, Face off % and blocked shots. If we have any Montreal fans I will be completely willing to add Diving as a category to
Well, if you're going to go that far, then you should be adding a Longest Losing Streak stat for Boston fans, and don't forget about a Turning Victory into Defeat stat for Loafs fans.
My Habs had a good opening night vs Toronto, and hopefully we have a good victory over the Bruins on Saturday.
With how crappy they performed against Winnipeg, unless a new team shows up I think you got it locked down.
Bruins are getting old and are officially in the process of re-building, especially considering the fire-sale they did during this summer's draft.
Leafs looked absolutely wretched last night against the Wings. Though I was over joyed to see that donkeycave Bernier give up 3 goals on just 9 shots! Hopefully the Loafs stay the course and forget to show up again tonight, as I really need Karlsson to have a big night for my hockey pool teams!
Now I realize that I am biased for the Bruins because they are my team, but holy crap, the referees tonight were wearing blinders or something. Bellesky got a penalty for an illegal head shot...that didn't happen, Another bruin got a hooking call that also didn't happen. Boston gets a goal taken back because a Canadian defenseman pushes Bergeron into Price, David Krejci gets a pretty big cut on his face by a montreal stick, no call, and now Marchand just got tripped at center ice with the puck...no call.
And now they just kicked Ryan Spooner out of the game and awarded Montreal a 5 minute power play.. This is absolute fething bad refereeing.
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I thought this 3 on 3 OT was supposed to replace the shootout, feth this gak! That was a lot of condensed exciting hockey, why ruin it with the shootout?!
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Ghazkuul wrote: Now I realize that I am biased for the Bruins because they are my team, but holy crap, the referees tonight were wearing blinders or something. Bellesky got a penalty for an illegal head shot...that didn't happen, Another bruin got a hooking call that also didn't happen. Boston gets a goal taken back because a Canadian defenseman pushes Bergeron into Price, David Krejci gets a pretty big cut on his face by a montreal stick, no call, and now Marchand just got tripped at center ice with the puck...no call.
And now they just kicked Ryan Spooner out of the game and awarded Montreal a 5 minute power play.. This is absolute fething bad refereeing.
Well, Toronto got a penalty for a phantom check on Turris, which led to the Sens second goal.
And most hilarious of all, late in the 3rd, the Leafs scored a goal to tie the game up at 4-4, except the ref was apparently the one and only person in the building who didn't know this! They had to sound the buzzer to eventually stop the play so that Toronto could be awarded their goal!
I think it was just a bad night of officiating across the board... I was constantly checking the TSN site for info on all the games now that hockey pool season is on, and it seemed like most games were penalty riddled.
At least Karlsson got me 3pts, and Subban got nothing! Plus Renne picked up a shutout for my team, which helps to slightly make-up for how much of a bust Giordano, Crosby & Fail Kessel have been thus far.
Ghazkuul wrote: I think some serious training needs to be going on for referees, that or fire gary bettman....actually both, I want both.
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In all fairness to the refs though, the game is so fast that it's inevitable that mistakes will happen with semi-regularity. (though the Leafs 'forgotten' goal last night was a special level of hilarious incompetence!)
I've officiated up to Midgit 'A' and Senior 'B' levels, and that's nowhere near close to top levels - even in girls/women's hockey! Still, it pretty much felt the entire time like you were flying by the seat of your pants, and making calls based half on pure reflex reaction & half on what you perceived to have actually happened.
Add to this that the NHL did a fantastically abysmal job of training younger officials before the older veterans began retiring en mass over the past 4-5 years or so, and it's no wonder the game has suffered miserably.
Also, can we find out who thought it would be a good idea to utilize Drones in the Arena to provide Camera angles and fire him. I understand drones are the new hot fad and everything but they suck at camera angles in the arena, Ive only watched about 6-8 games so far this season but every one of them had the drones being used, one of them used it almost 30-40% of the game and it is just terrible.
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The drones must be a US broadcaster thing, because I haven't noticed much difference at all when attaching games across CBC & TSN up here. (Sportsnet is too busy with the Blue Jays 24/7 right now!)
Bettman deserves all the hate he gets just on how he's allowed the league to turn into "Thugs 'R Us" on ice... God damned Instigator rule is an abomination, and because of it, we now get to watch talentless gakkers like Raffi Torres and all the other head hunters trump the actual skilled players.
At Torres' career is likely over after his last display of moronic thuggery. 41 games well deserved! (should've just booted him altogether, but, at least it is half a season...)
Bettman deserves all the hate he gets just on how he's allowed the league to turn into "Thugs 'R Us" on ice...
Are you too young to remember the time when teams needed to have a goon?
Well, back in the day when a guy named Gretzky played. No one would take a cheap shot at him because there was this other guy named Mcsorely who would you up big time if you did!
Nowadays, there's this guy named Crosby who plays, and everyone and their mother have taken their turns trying to crack his skull open! but if any of Crosby's teammates turn around and defend him, they get tossed in the box.
What happened to change this? Bettman's stupid instigator rule, which gives the penalty to the guy sticking up for his teammate, instead of the thug who head hunts the top players.
Sure goon's still existed back in the day, but before the instigator rule happened, we never had the kind of outright 'open season' on the game's superstars like we do now...
Torres for example would NEVER have even lived after that hit he put on Hossa when guys like Mcsorely and Messier played, as they would have simply beaten him into a bloody pulp.
The instigator rule as it current exists needs to go. Let the players police themselves more, and we'll see fewer catastrophic injuries to the top end players.
Torres for example would NEVER have even lived after that hit he put on Hossa when guys like Mcsorely and Messier played, as they would have simply beaten him into a bloody pulp.
McSorely and Messier were also dirty players who caused as many problems as they "solved".
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What did everyone think about that the Rinaldo hit last night?
I watched the reply a few times and it looks like a close call, definitely not a head hit. The only thing I can see that really went wrong was the flyers player didn't bother keeping his head up and got nailed so kind of defenseless position.
Rinaldo got a 5, 10 and game.
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I watched the reply a few times and it looks like a close call, definitely not a head hit.
Couturier's head was the principle point of contact, Rinaldo hit it with his shoulder. Indeed, you can clearly see Couturier's head snap back before the the rest of his body follows, which is indicative of a hit to the head.
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I watched the reply a few times and it looks like a close call, definitely not a head hit.
Couturier's head was the principle point of contact, Rinaldo hit it with his shoulder. Indeed, you can clearly see Couturier's head snap back before the the rest of his body follows, which is indicative of a hit to the head.
I just watched it again and no, his shoulder hit couturiers chest first and then his head snapped back. I think this is a case of Rinaldo's reputation earning him a penalty.
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I just watched it again and no, his shoulder hit couturiers chest first and then his head snapped back. I think this is a case of Rinaldo's reputation earning him a penalty.
Rinaldo's upper arm hit Couturier in the chest, but his shoulder clearly strikes him in the head. At best the contact was simultaneous, but to me the head was clearly the initial point of contact as Couturier's head is moving backwards prior to his body doing so. You're correct that the snapping motion occurred after his body started to fall, and that was a poor choice of words on my part, but motion of the head began before motion of the body.
whembly wrote: hence another reason why the instigator rule is bosh.
The Goons "takes cares" of these shenanigans.
Honestly, no one cares about hockey fights when it comes to enforcement. They're fun to watch, but actually doing damage to someone by throwing a punch while on skates is really, really difficult unless you're going to cheap shot a guy. What goons did back in the day that people were so afraid of was skate out with the express purpose of removing a skilled player from the game by taking penalties on plays that were deliberately intended to cause injuries. This included cheap shots, which is a large part of the reason that the instigator rule is in place.
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Honestly, no one cares about hockey fights when it comes to enforcement. They're fun to watch, but actually doing damage to someone by throwing a punch while on skates is really, really difficult unless you're going to cheap shot a guy. What goons did back in the day that people were so afraid of was skate out with the express purpose of removing a skilled player from the game by taking penalties on plays that were deliberately intended to cause injuries. This included cheap shots, which is a large part of the reason that the instigator rule is in place.
Really? I haven't heard too many of the "great ones" specifically state that fighting is what kept dirty play to a minimum. Indeed, if you go back and watch tape from the 60's, 70's, 80's, and even the 90's its pretty clear that there was far more dirty (read: deliberately injurious) play then than there is now. As such, even if that is their argument, it is clear that fighting did not remove dirty play from the game; it could even be argued that it created it.
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Really? I haven't heard too many of the "great ones" specifically state that fighting is what kept dirty play to a minimum. Indeed, if you go back and watch tape from the 60's, 70's, 80's, and even the 90's its pretty clear that there was far more dirty (read: deliberately injurious) play then than there is now. As such, even if that is their argument, it is clear that fighting did not remove dirty play from the game; it could even be argued that it created it.
It really started to when Gretzky was playing and the rise of smaller/skilled players from his era and on...
I've regularly heard it from Brett Hull, Wayne Gretzky, Messier, Pavel Bure and others...
Hockey players simply want to "police" these infractions on their own. :shrugs:
It really started to when Gretzky was playing and the rise of smaller/skilled players from his era and on...
I've regularly heard it from Brett Hull, Wayne Gretzky, Messier, Pavel Bure and others...
I've heard those guys talk about being protected by their dedicated enforcers, but "being protected" doesn't necessarily mean "fighting a guy".
Regardless, that's also the period in which officiating started to become a lot tighter, due in large part to the monetary value of individual players.
It really started to when Gretzky was playing and the rise of smaller/skilled players from his era and on...
I've regularly heard it from Brett Hull, Wayne Gretzky, Messier, Pavel Bure and others...
I've heard those guys talk about being protected by their dedicated enforcers, but "being protected" doesn't necessarily mean "fighting a guy".
Regardless, that's also the period in which officiating started to become a lot tighter, due in large part to the monetary value of individual players.
And rule changes as well to promote freer play styles... like interference & no more center-redline offsides.
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