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This model is stupider than anything in AoS.

The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins. 
   
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That robot sums up 40k in a nutshell - feth everything else just take maximum guns and put it on a platform that for some reason is 10x more durable than a tank.
   
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Ah, destroying all the known tau fluff one model at a time I see.

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 sebster wrote:
Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
 BaronIveagh wrote:
Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
 
   
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Strike Cruiser Vladislav Volkov

That is somehow uglier than a Riptide. Wow.

   
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Gathering the Informations.

Right. Because the race famed for adapting on the fly and testing out new technology in response to battlefield threats wouldn't ever create something new...
   
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Also, this thing is seriously BS3? Our MBTs are BS4, this should be at least that.

Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
 kronk wrote:
Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
 sebster wrote:
Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
 BaronIveagh wrote:
Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
 
   
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Gathering the Informations.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Also, this thing is seriously BS3? Our MBTs are BS4, this should be at least that.

Which would line up with it potentially being built around the idea of Ob'Lotai 9-0...
   
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Could be but it's still wierd.

I also don't like that chest, sticks out way to far.

Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
 kronk wrote:
Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
 sebster wrote:
Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
 BaronIveagh wrote:
Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
 
   
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BrianDavion wrote:


for some reason this was the first thing I thought of


Isn't that the game with the real Warhammer?

Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

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Most of the weapons use templates or Twin linked so No problem with bs3, its because you cant abuse the shielded rocket drones...

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Right. Because the race famed for adapting on the fly and testing out new technology in response to battlefield threats wouldn't ever create something new...


Why would they create something new when they already have perfectly good aircraft that are far superior to this abomination? And even if there's a missing role why wouldn't they follow their existing (and quite sensible) doctrine of power armor supported by tanks and aircraft? A new superheavy skimmer with these weapons would have been great. This thing is just plain stupid.

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It's a Destroid Monster, there's no such thing as a stupid Destroid Monster. :p



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Gathering the Informations.

 Peregrine wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Right. Because the race famed for adapting on the fly and testing out new technology in response to battlefield threats wouldn't ever create something new...


Why would they create something new when they already have perfectly good aircraft that are far superior to this abomination? And even if there's a missing role why wouldn't they follow their existing (and quite sensible) doctrine of power armor supported by tanks and aircraft? A new superheavy skimmer with these weapons would have been great. This thing is just plain stupid.

And a "superheavy skimmer" with those weapons would have been just as against the grain to what we've seen. Nothing on it is remote activated via Markerlights, which has been a trend with their support vehicles/suits. This thing is pure LOS from everything we're seeing.

At the very least, we now have examples of a drone AI piloting a Broadside which could possibly justify this thing. A drone AI in control of a hulking suit, bristling with firepower that gets put out as bait would be entirely fitting in the Tau mentality.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Nothing on it is remote activated via Markerlights, which has been a trend with their support vehicles/suits. This thing is pure LOS from everything we're seeing.


What does that have to do with anything? The Hammerhead is a pure LOS tank with no markerlight-activated support stuff, so what exactly is the objection to a larger version of the Hammerhead?

At the very least, we now have examples of a drone AI piloting a Broadside which could possibly justify this thing.


It doesn't justify it at all because giant bipedal robots are stupid regardless of who is controlling them.

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Gathering the Informations.

Giant bipedal robots might be stupid, but they're far cooler than a "stretch tank".

In any case? It's controlled by 3 pilots according to someone who saw it at the Open Day.


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From Advanced Tau Tactica poster "Bitterman":
OK, I just got back from the event, so after posting the photo earlier, I thought I'd put up some more info that I learned on the day.

Next(?) IA book is still planned to be Tau... possibly against Imperial Knights (plus some Guard tagging along for the fun of it). Unlikely to be out for a while though ("next year"?).

On the big suit...

Rules totally undecided yet, according to Will, the sculptor. So I'm not sure if the ones listed earlier are accurate - though as it's obviously someone else that writes the rules, maybe they've written them and just not told him, it's possible.

The arms and shoulder weapons are all mounted such that they could be swapped out for other weapons. The shoulder weapons are intended as a kind of railgun, but not the same as the "heavy railguns" we've seen on the AX-1-0 for example... he spoke about this at some length, and had some cool ideas how he imagines them working. He figures that the velocity of a railgun like this could be variable: as well as the high-velocity solid rounds we know of from existing railguns, you could fire a different munition at a much lower velocity and "lob" it like a mortar, or even launch a drone-controlled shell. Flexibility was the key word, he said it several times.

The arm weapons are triple-barrelled rotary ion cannons (again, no idea what that means for their rules). The arms on the model he had on display were magnetised (he actually dropped it while I was talking to him and it fell to bits, I panicked but he was like "nah don't worry about it" and put it back together) and the model will be produced with 6mm/8mm holes in it, so you don't even need to drill your own magnet holes.

He's sculpted alternate arms already (triple fusion guns of some kind I think), but not any more shoulder weapon systems yet. Because the arms are on a magnetised mount, he isn't tied into them all having the same design, and mentioned that one variant could include a "box" of missiles (SMS/MP style) instead of an actual arm holding a gun. The shoulder systems could be different too - there could be two independent weapons (instead of three on a shared axle mount) and those could also include missiles. He sounds quite keen on drone-guided missiles.

The suit has three pilots, and you may be able to see the three entry hatches on the front in the photo: he imagined the central one to be in charge, with lesser ranks either side, much like a Princeps and Moderati for an imperial Titan.

The model will come on the round base shown as it's the largest plastic base they make! He put this model together without thinking about the base, posed differently it ought to fit the base a little bit better. It's a bit hard to tell from the photos how big this model is - it's big. Warhound big? Much bigger than a Knight, anyway.

Oh - it's "with manufacturing", i.e. finished and ready for production. When it will actually go into production and go on sale, he wasn't sure (that depends on when it fits into the release schedule, when they can write rules for it, etc. and is out of the sculptor's hands).

Overall I personally love the model, though I've seen mixed reactions to it in this thread. However - I'm not sure about the three shoulder guns (makes the model look too much "I hear you like guns with your guns" for my taste). A pair of independent missile racks would look much better IMO, and sounds like something that is very likely on the cards - indeed, it looks really cool if you just leave the shoulder weapon off completely, you don't have to have something there if you don't want to! But the arm and body weapons are really cool IMO. I'm very positive about this, and will be buying one.

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Catskills in NYS

That's the same as how a hammerhead. Yet it's still BS3...

Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
 kronk wrote:
Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
 sebster wrote:
Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
 BaronIveagh wrote:
Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
 
   
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 winterwind85 wrote:
The Ion Weapon is the normal Ion Canon Profile but Heavy 3, ordnance, twin linked ( per Side)
Also includes an overcharge profile and a nova profile ( for both aides)
Nova profile is strength D Heavy 2 large blast, if you fail the Nova charge you take 1+ d3 wounds..
The Artillerie like gun is like the rvarna gun, only with buffed profile, like massive blast.
If you overcharge it it goes apocalyptic barrage.
No penalty for shooting it every turn..
Rocket Mags Are the Same as on broadside but with skyfire.
Burst canon things got a Special rule, i think it was called close quarter defense whatever, my english is not the best.
Gives them the ability to Fire overwatch Even being a superheavy at full bs with the burst canons.
Able to take all the battlesuit upgrades.
No JSJ ability.
Stats were something like bs3 T 9 W 8 str10 ws 1 ini 1 armour save 2+, Invul 5+,
Can take up to 6 drones with rockets, drones can get a skyfire update.
Reactor rules were not all being told about, improved shooting for Main guns, an attack against all models in base contact with haywire and Fleshbane.
Thats all i can remember


Hey man, thanks for the infos. Looks like its weapons aren't that much as the previous rumours said (hellstorm templates and Mega S: D blast). Ion Cannons are already Heavy 3 and with an overcharge option - looks like I'd nova them everytime. 1+d3 hurts, but with W8 and FnP it can take it.
Otherwise, I could use 2 Hammerheads for the same effect (and, following the last trend, in squadrons). Would lose the Ordnance, but I wouldn't be using S7/8 on AV13+ vehicles anyway

BS3 goes in accord to the suits normal BS (which makes me believe suits won't become BS4 in the new Tau codex). Y'vahra was an anomaly with its BS4 (and having much shorter range thant the other Riptides)

Those stats are nice, as being possible to take all suits upgrades. 4++ (so no need to nova for invul) and interceptor will be the hot stuff for it, I think (as it already got FnP)

Ah, and as all gargantuans are fearless... 6 drones for more firepower and wounds (better yet, reducing grav efficiency)!

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"

 Shadenuat wrote:
Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
 
   
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So, where's this cool thing that the Tau got? I don't see any here?
   
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That tripod walker is asking for one melta-missile to an ankle to be rendered useless as it falls over.

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Catskills in NYS

As is this new suit. As is every walker in 40k. Your point?

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 kronk wrote:
Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
 sebster wrote:
Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
 BaronIveagh wrote:
Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
 
   
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Davor wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:


for some reason this was the first thing I thought of


Isn't that the game with the real Warhammer?



no battletech didn't borrow the Monster's art when they put together TRO 3025

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Its ankles are less-protected than the rest of it, making it far more likely that a single anti-armor hit there will bring about catastrophic results. Seems like a gross design flaw, as those are within melta range of infantry at its feet.

It also looks like the Protoss walker from the original Starcraft.

The biped is... insane. Fortunately, this isn't Mechwarrior where you need to worry about taking a magazine hit, because that thing is an ammunition explosion waiting to happen.

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Krieg! What a hole...

Like the quadrupedal protoss dragoon? I really don't see it.

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So this thing has a better save than the Nid Heirophant, is as strong and as tough as it plus it packs D. Gimme a fething break.

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By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.

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http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?p=294915#p294915

Actual information. Those rumored rules are mostly wrong

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
"FW is unbalanced and going to ruin tournaments."
"Name one where it did that."
"IT JUST DOES OKAY!"

 Shadenuat wrote:
Voted Astra Militarum for a chance for them to get nerfed instead of my own army.
 
   
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I like the idea of a superheavy suit, but but...much gun.

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I've had a day to think about the model and I did come up with two ways that if I ever got one that I'd convert it a tiny bit. I'd likely swap out the larger devilfish burst cannons under each chest half with the smaller crisis suit ones so that they're not as prominent and I'd probably move the missile launchers up above to the air vents on either side of the head. I'm not sure if I'd leave the missile fronts open like in 40k generally or model a hatch to cover them up like in robotech though.

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how in the world do some of you think the tau superheavy walker isnt fluffy? did you guys forget why the tau built broadsides, or even riptides.

the tau who started out with the dogma of lightning attacks and having a constant moveing offence have learned after many engagements with orks, tyranids and the iom that sometimes its better to stand your gound and hold what you got. the tau arent the iom, they are willing to addapt and produce new technolodgy to help advance their empire, they have to.

i think this thing looks cool, just like the other fw tau stuff.

if i had the money i would get one of these and convert it to a stompa to go with my tau tech themed orks. so much dakka.


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geargutz wrote:
how in the world do some of you think the tau superheavy walker isnt fluffy? did you guys forget why the tau built broadsides, or even riptides.
Unless the Tau fluff changed, this walker goes against the pre-established design philosophies of the Tau.

Tau Codex wrote:The Tau way of war stresses mobility over mass attacks and hit-and-run tactics over entrenched positions. A wise Commander is not daunted by foes that outnumber his own troops many times over, nor is he dismayed by the sheer size of the crude war machines their foes might deploy. Coordinated tactics, tight discipline and a well enacted battle plan can overcome such minor advantages.
The Tau do not believe in putting huge amounts of resources into single units that could be targeted or trapped. The XV8 Battlesuits (and varients such as the XV88) are supposed to be the biggest suits that the Tau can mass produce, and thus the most common. The Riptide is supposed to be their titan, a rarely fielded monstrosity that takes too much time and resources to mass produce, that can be used in certain situations.

Another problem with this suit is that the Nova reactor in the riptide is pushed to its limit generating the power for the weapons and equipment on a single Riptide. To power all of the cannons on this machine, GW would need to advance the Tau timeline.

Still waiting for Godot. 
   
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Looks cool to me but I'm more excited about another Imperial Armor book featuring Tau.



 
   
 
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