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So... Isn't River Song clearly the Hybrid?

Unless The doctor is his own father or something where he has River Song as a wife, and has a hybrid child which ends up being him or something wibbily wobbily.

I was completely wrong in my plot guesses but...

I liked it.

As for the spoiler...



So yeah, good ending, I liked it.

That was actually rather good.

A few loose ends, but I quite like sending off Ashildr and Clara to join the Doctor's Daughter in the vastness of time and space.

It gets them out of the story with dignity and grace.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
That was actually rather good.

A few loose ends, but I quite like sending off Ashildr and Clara to join the Doctor's Daughter in the vastness of time and space.

It gets them out of the story with dignity and grace.

Well, to be fair, I'd have been perfectly happy with Clara's death from two weeks ago just having stuck. It was pretty much perfect. However, this was handled well enough that I don't mind, and it does complete the arc of her 'becoming' the Doctor. And I guess that as the universe hasn't exploded, she does eventually return to Trap Street to die anyway.

Have to say, that last scene with her and the Doctor in the TARDIS (Time and Relative Diner In Space) was pretty damn fantastic acting from the both of them, one of the most moving scenes in recent years (perhaps even topping Tennant's rage against the dying of the light in End of Time). As far as going out on a high note goes, that was bloody high.


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nkelsch wrote:
So... Isn't River Song clearly the Hybrid?

Unless The doctor is his own father or something where he has River Song as a wife, and has a hybrid child which ends up being him or something wibbily wobbily.

The Hybrid (it is suggested) is The Doctor and Clara. By the end, they essentially are each other, one entity, half human, half time lord. I did like the ambiguity surrounding it; like all good prophecies, there are multiple interpretations. Ashildr, half human and half Mire, was standing in the ruins of Gallifrey. It was hinted that the Doctor himself is genuinely half human, and he did conquer it.

Nicely done.


..although ..

 reds8n wrote:
Nicely done.


..although ..

Spoiler:

Adric must be feeling a bit pissed off now then eh ?

not sure why you spoiled that part, it's ancient history.

Anyone else catch the Game of Thrones reference?

..when they were in the cloisters did anyone else think one of the sound FX was a TIE-fighter ?

Capaldi and Coleman have been my favourite Doctor - Companion duo. I'll be sad to see her gone, though she couldn't have had a better send off. She really is Doctor Clara now.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Capaldi and Coleman have been my favourite Doctor - Companion duo. I'll be sad to see her gone, though she couldn't have had a better send off. She really is Doctor Clara now.

Agreed on all counts, although I'm quite surprised to realise it give how little I liked Clara at the start (although that was mostly in the writing). I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that they were something different to the last few. Up until Capaldi, there was always the somewhat out of place romantic element, except with Donna but I wasn't a huge fan of her as a character, and in Amy's later stuff. With Capaldi and Coleman, though, it was just two absolute best friends that, as we saw, would not let anything get between them, time, space or even death. And I think that's far more powerful than any of the Doctor-companion relationship we've had before. The strength of both of them as actors helps a lot too, obviously.

So I do hope they don't try and copy it with whoever comes next, and have the guts to do something different again.

The student has become the master...and gotten her very own Tardis.

It occurs to me that, considering the show is pretty much always filmed in Cardiff, they've not had a Welsh companion on it.

I think the closest is one of the cast of Torchwood, right?

I guess I'm one of the few that hated it. And not even because I

Well...why did you hate it?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Well...why did you hate it?

Pretty much everything after


was just plain awful.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
Nicely done.


..although ..

Spoiler:

Adric must be feeling a bit pissed off now then eh ?

not sure why you spoiled that part, it's ancient history.

Spoiler:

But no one liked him, not even the doctor he's the doctors version of wesley crusher No one would risk all of time and space for him.

Re: Adric and everyone else. I think that this is the difference between incarnations. Capaldi's doctor is sick of losing, especially people. If Capaldi had lost Adric, chances are he would have destroyed everything to try to get him back.

Also, I thought it was funny that they mentioned how long the doctor spent in the Confession. Technically, it was only probably a couple days for the last clone. For all of them, sure, a bajillion years. But for this doctor, just a couple days.

Yeah, I didn't quite get that bit, to be honest. If he only remembered his last incarnation of it all, then...

Also, I thought it was funny that they mentioned how long the doctor spent in the Confession. Technically, it was only probably a couple days for the last clone. For all of them, sure, a bajillion years. But for this doctor, just a couple days.

But didn't the Doctor regain his memory of his past lives/clones and the last bajillion years by the end? IIRC, the wikipedia synopsis' imply that. I skipped through the actual episode itself as I was in a hurry at the time.

Even if he has no memory, he worked it out each time, he knew he had been there that long, pounding away at the wall, and over those years never changes his mind

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Also, I thought it was funny that they mentioned how long the doctor spent in the Confession. Technically, it was only probably a couple days for the last clone. For all of them, sure, a bajillion years. But for this doctor, just a couple days.

But didn't the Doctor regain his memory of his past lives/clones and the last bajillion years by the end? IIRC, the wikipedia synopsis' imply that. I skipped through the actual episode itself as I was in a hurry at the time.

You should definitely go back and watch it, it was really a standout episode. And yeah, there's a line in there about how at the same point in each 'cycle', he remembers the last time, and that's how he known what to do each time.

More Clara?
Oh well.

But, as it was left, is he now presidents of both Galifrey and (unofficially) Earth?

The bodyguard was good. Asking first, then another canon-backed change.

Technically that's nothing new. The Doctor was President of Gallifrey back in the Tom Baker days, in the stories The Invasion of Time andThe Deadly Assassin (which were the first time Gallifreyan culture was actually explored in the show, I believe). Both decent too, worth checking out.

 Skinnereal wrote:
More Clara?
Oh well.

But, as it was left, is he now presidents of both Galifrey and (unofficially) Earth?

The bodyguard was good. Asking first, then another canon-backed change.

I think this is probably the last we'll be seeing of Me and Clara, at least for a long time. This was the Sci Fi equivalent of riding off into the sunset. To bring them back onto the show would undermine that ending.

I think the most we'll see of them is in some tie-in novels and more audio adventures.

I wouldn't mind a one off special episode about Me and Claras' adventures before Clara returns to Gallifrey to die. But they should not cross paths with the Doctor again.

 Compel wrote:
I think the most we'll see of them is in some tie-in novels and more audio adventures.

It did setup for books and audio.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
More Clara?
Oh well.

But, as it was left, is he now presidents of both Galifrey and (unofficially) Earth?

The bodyguard was good. Asking first, then another canon-backed change.

I think this is probably the last we'll be seeing of Me and Clara, at least for a long time. This was the Sci Fi equivalent of riding off into the sunset. To bring them back onto the show would undermine that ending.

To be honest, I wouldn't be averse to one more Clara episode in a few years time, to kind of do what they did with Rose in Stolen Earth/Journey's End (but better). Have the Doctor meet Clara, who then tells him who she is, he is 'healed' (and thus they can take the character in a new direction) and she finally returns to Gallifrey to die knowing she's saved the Doctor one last time.

reds8n wrote:..when they were in the cloisters did anyone else think one of the sound FX was a TIE-fighter ?

Watching it again, it did sound very much like the classic TIE sound effect.

I personally would prefer Clara and Ashildr to remain a beautiful non-memory in the show.

I think we've had an awful lot of Clara over the past few years and it is time to bring on a new companion.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I personally would prefer Clara and Ashildr to remain a beautiful non-memory in the show.

I think we've had an awful lot of Clara over the past few years and it is time to bring on a new companion.

Well she is signed for part of next season. But after that she is gone as she is already signed up for a new series.

Ashildr or Clara?

I thought it was definite that Clara was gone now.