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 NAVARRO wrote:
What are those huge stone creatures on the background of the savage orc picture?

Man the SIgmarites are growing on me each time I look at them

They look like big fenbeast from the albion campaign.

Would be nice if they brought in some old stuff like fenbeasts and fimir in the game. The foul Fimir would be great in a more chaotic setting of warhammer.

http://shop.spreadshirt.com/ageofsigmar/?locale=us_US


AoS licensed merchandise.

Tops, phone covers etc etc

 reds8n wrote:
http://shop.spreadshirt.com/ageofsigmar/?locale=us_US


AoS licensed merchandise.

Tops, phone covers etc etc

Gaudy. Much as I love that cover art, I wouldn't want to wear it all day.

I like the flat colour lightning hammer design. Wouldn't mind wearing it.

What was the last time GW licensed merchandise?

 reds8n wrote:
http://shop.spreadshirt.com/ageofsigmar/?locale=us_US


AoS licensed merchandise.

Tops, phone covers etc etc

Really? People have been asking for this kinda stuff for years, and when they finally get around to doing merch, it's to promote this piece of garbage.

I'm assuming this is official, anyway.

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Just reposting here as an FYI:

The painting guide is not great unless all you want is a\n exhaustive guide to exactly how the studio models were painted. There is very little fluff and no information about alternative paint schemes.

So in short it is like a guide... to how they painted it... interesting.

Have you bought the other painting guides?

 Sidstyler wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
http://shop.spreadshirt.com/ageofsigmar/?locale=us_US


AoS licensed merchandise.

Tops, phone covers etc etc

Really? People have been asking for this kinda stuff for years, and when they finally get around to doing merch, it's to promote this piece of garbage.

I'm assuming this is official, anyway.

Well it does say 'officially liscenced' at the top of the page.

That's actually a cool phone cover, would get one if i had an iphone

I used to work for the company that's making the merch. They're a print-on-demand service for shirts and such. Having seen their operation first-hand, I'll say that there's nothing stopping an independent person setting up that store, aside from it being super illegal.

 Manchu wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
I hate the map. It just drives home the point that this is not a world. It's just a bunch of "fantasy" thrown at a wall.

Disagree. I thnk this sort of pre-modern conception of the world is appropriate to a fantasy setting and has always been more or less of an factor. For example, where would you have located the Warp on a map of the previous World of Warhammer ("Mallus")? WHFB evoked modern conceptions of geography because it aped the Enlightment; but it was no more a "world" than the Nine Realms for doing so.

Whut?

The whole point of the Warhammer World(I won't dignify Age of Shareholders by using its term) was that it didn't ape the Enlightenment. It was in fact essential to the setting that "the Warp" not be depicted on the map - Warhammer was a setting in which a small island of humanity was beset by truly existential horrors; mutants and beastmen within, monsters and barbarians outside, twisted ratmen beneath, and the horrors of Chaos beyond. And not some utopian ideal version of humanity either, but a version of us redolent with our worst qualities; superstition and ignorance, intolerance, greed, corruption, and vice of all kinds. Even the fantastical "allies" of humanity were a mixed blessing.

The geography of the world helped to convey that essential characteristic, it was "here be dragons" on a global scale, it drove home that these people were not so very different from ourselves; there's a reason that jokey "Clichea" map exists - the best fantasy uses elements of the real to help us insert ourselves into fundamentally implausible situations and characters.

Age of Shareholders and its loose collection of barely connected magical pseudodimensions has nowhere to hook into except for the tattered remnants of the previous fiction; "Sigmaron" or "Sigmartown" or "Sigmaropolis" or whatever the hell it's called has no relevance to us, it has nothing to say about our past or our essential qualities as a species, it has no real culture which we can relate to beyond "Hey Bob, Sigmar sure is awesome yeah!" - "He sure is Joe, he sure is!".

It's...sterile. A reality constructed with the sole purpose of being commercially mutable, able to be twisted into whatever shape is necessary to sell the latest plastic doodads. AoS is the Saturday morning cartoon version of Warhammer.

GW's renaming of everything with a non-copy-writable name is pretty laughably pathetic.

At least as far as its miniatures go, GW has incredibly high quality product. No one else on the market can compete with them on the range of quality plastics they put out. They have a huge comparative advantage in that area. The 3rd party producers they tried to shut down were making accessories in an area where GW had themselves barely made an effort to satisfy the market. In most cases, in my opinion, the competing product was not as consistent with GW's brand and was thus lower quality. The only 3rd party product that I feel were at GW's quality in sculpting, modularity, and image, were the Avatar of War's Slayer knock offs. The slayers were filling an obvious hole in the Warhammer slayer line, plastic slayers. GW could have done it themselves, but did not.

So rather than seeing competitors filling an obvious gap in their line and responding by filling the gap themselves at a higher quality (where they have a clear advantage), the solution was just to go to court. And that generally failed because the ideas they claimed were original to themselves, were found not to be.

As a result we have the stupidity of "gargants" and "orruks." I can only assume that in time, as their release schedule advances, we will see the all but total elimination of the existing armies and themes we are used to, replaced by new models and armies with proprietary names. I can understand the change from a business perspective, however when one looks at the new models' designs, their blatant emulation of Blizzard's visual imagery (WoW and Diablo) shows that GW sitll hasn't learned a thing. Sticking a stupid name on someone else's ideas was what got them into trouble in the first place.

The new approach obviously won't bother all veterans and likely won't bother new players, but it definitely leaves me wondering why I'd keep buying from GW over simply moving to another company with better client relations. If I have to start over again, why would I start again with a company that's demonstrated absolutely zero respect for its customers...?

If only there were a place for you guys to discuss your opinions on AoS's background, etc...

Oh yeah, there is:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/655877.page

 pretre wrote:
If only there were a place for you guys to discuss your opinions on AoS's background, etc...

Oh yeah, there is:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/655877.page

If something isn't appropriate for discussion, maybe mods shouldn't bring it up.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Please do not confuse Boltstormers for Stormbolters.

I did a double take reading that. They really are trying very hard to target AoS at young SM players.

So there's something called a 'combat gauge' for Age Of Sigmar that sells for thirty bucks.

It fulfills the same function that a tape measure or ruler does, except it only measures up to three inches.

And PP do this for $9.99..

 AlexHolker wrote:
I hate the map. It just drives home the point that this is not a world. It's just a bunch of "fantasy" thrown at a wall.

 Theophony wrote:
Slaanesh is hiding while pregnant with the next Chaos God , you don't want to hazard a guess as who the "father" is .

Slaanesh is also the father. Duh.

What happened? Someone tell him to go himself?

Obligatory "Drive me closer..." meme needed here.

Warhams-77 wrote:

Spoiler:

What does the golden gryphon statue actually do? Magic buff?

timd wrote:
Obligatory "Drive me closer..." meme needed here.

Warhams-77 wrote:

Spoiler:

Does it deep strike?

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
GW's renaming of everything with a non-copy-writable name is pretty laughably pathetic.

At least as far as its miniatures go, GW has incredibly high quality product. No one else on the market can compete with them on the range of quality plastics they put out. They have a huge comparative advantage in that area....

(snip)

... but it definitely leaves me wondering why I'd keep buying from GW over simply moving to another company with better client relations.

I think that's pretty much why. The models I prefer are from this company. For all the people saying 'Try KOW!', I have no problem trying out their rules, but their mini line is severely lacking. Thankfully I can use my GW figs in their game no problemo.

A lot of the reasons GW still sells is the aesthetic, not to mention there are a lot of loyal GW fans out there who will buy -anything- they put out, no matter how awesome/not awesome it is.

As for the latest round of art and such...

Not a real fan of the art, and I -definitely- think the maps so far are goofy. The one with all the generic names (as if they were drawn out of a hat) is just... ugh. It -feels- to me like they didn't even bother -trying-. 'Throw a bunch of goofy fantasy-sounding names randomly on a sheet of paper and we'll call it a map!' is what I could imagine THAT 'creative meeting' sounding like.

The fluff so far, for me, has not been very interesting, at least not yet. I -am- curious what they are doing with Slaanesh, though... and what that is all about. I am going to guess that it has to do with some sort of 'rebirth', where he'll be reborn not as the lord of 'excess' or anything even remotely sexual in nature, but maybe the lord of revenge or something. It could be a tactic on GW's part to 'change' the image/aesthetic of Slaanesh into something they feel fits in their overall plan better.

And like many other people, I am curious/concerned how the aesthetic of my favorite armies will change in the coming months/years.

I won't even go into the 'dice shaker' and 'combat gauge' arena of silliness. But - there are people that will gobble those things up. I -do- wish that the 'merch' would extend to other factions and games. I love t-shirts, and would buy ones with my favorite army's symbols/artwork on them.




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 Theophony wrote:

timd wrote:
Obligatory "Drive me closer..." meme needed here.

Warhams-77 wrote:

Spoiler:

Does it deep strike?

Skaven in that pic still on square bases!

Brings a tear to my eye!


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 Azreal13 wrote:
And PP do this for $9.99..

But Azreal, none of those devices are GOLD, and I do not see a single comet or skull anywhere on them!

So obviously they are only worth $9.99!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The going price for this sort of thing is about $2 at places that make laser cut wargaming accessories.

The price isn't too bad compared to other metal casts, though. Pewter pendant/necklace thingies are usually around 30€ price range, some even being more expensive. If you think of it as a functional pendant for nerds, it's probably one of the best GW prices, as it's NOT twice the price of other similar products

I like the Sigmar models but im really not liking the Helms. Im looking to convert to Helmless, any suggestions on plain human head bits?

Chopxsticks wrote:
I like the Sigmar models but im really not liking the Helms. Im looking to convert to Helmless, any suggestions on plain human head bits?

Space marines?

Do they come with plain human heads?

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
I hate the map. It just drives home the point that this is not a world. It's just a bunch of "fantasy" thrown at a wall.

Disagree. I thnk this sort of pre-modern conception of the world is appropriate to a fantasy setting and has always been more or less of an factor. For example, where would you have located the Warp on a map of the previous World of Warhammer ("Mallus")? WHFB evoked modern conceptions of geography because it aped the Enlightment; but it was no more a "world" than the Nine Realms for doing so.

Whut?

The whole point of the Warhammer World(I won't dignify Age of Shareholders by using its term) was that it didn't ape the Enlightenment. It was in fact essential to the setting that "the Warp" not be depicted on the map - Warhammer was a setting in which a small island of humanity was beset by truly existential horrors; mutants and beastmen within, monsters and barbarians outside, twisted ratmen beneath, and the horrors of Chaos beyond. And not some utopian ideal version of humanity either, but a version of us redolent with our worst qualities; superstition and ignorance, intolerance, greed, corruption, and vice of all kinds. Even the fantastical "allies" of humanity were a mixed blessing.

The geography of the world helped to convey that essential characteristic, it was "here be dragons" on a global scale, it drove home that these people were not so very different from ourselves; there's a reason that jokey "Clichea" map exists - the best fantasy uses elements of the real to help us insert ourselves into fundamentally implausible situations and characters.

Age of Shareholders and its loose collection of barely connected magical pseudodimensions has nowhere to hook into except for the tattered remnants of the previous fiction; "Sigmaron" or "Sigmartown" or "Sigmaropolis" or whatever the hell it's called has no relevance to us, it has nothing to say about our past or our essential qualities as a species, it has no real culture which we can relate to beyond "Hey Bob, Sigmar sure is awesome yeah!" - "He sure is Joe, he sure is!".

It's...sterile. A reality constructed with the sole purpose of being commercially mutable, able to be twisted into whatever shape is necessary to sell the latest plastic doodads. AoS is the Saturday morning cartoon version of Warhammer.

It's new, different and you don't like it, is effectively what you're saying.

WHFB was performing very poorly, and only accounted for a small fraction of sales. If people ain't buying it, what's the point making more stuff that folks won't buy? And not everyone is willing to read a few hundred pages worth of rules before playing the game. Keeping it simple and easy to pick up is the right way for GW to go.

I imagine the price of an army was more the reason Fantasy didn't sell well, not the big rulebook. There were ways to boost the sales I'm sure without ditching the whole game.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I imagine the price of an army was more the reason Fantasy didn't sell well, not the big rulebook. There were ways to boost the sales I'm sure without ditching the whole game.

Oh absolutely. But we're all well aware how silly GW's business decisions can be lol. For example the £25 bit of metal attached to a bit of string that lets you measure 3" lol. What?!

So bored of reading the same complaints over and over, that stuff should probably be in discussions not N&R?

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I imagine the price of an army was more the reason Fantasy didn't sell well, not the big rulebook. There were ways to boost the sales I'm sure without ditching the whole game.

Oh absolutely. But we're all well aware how silly GW's business decisions can be lol. For example the £25 bit of metal attached to a bit of string that lets you measure 3" lol. What?!

Yeah that thing is laughably priced, ditto the dice cups.

Any chance this thread can stay about rumours and new info on AoS releases instead of the rubbish that followed in the old thread seemingly some of which is happening here again.

As for actual on topic stuff. That map suggests evil wood elves, colour me interested if more comes from that