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Chopxsticks wrote:
Stuff like this is why I avoid fluff.. How do you fast forward thousands of years and still be stuck in the medieval era? Am I missing something?

Well, possibly. You see, during a total war, WWII, say, as someone suggested, development continues. Scientific research, however, slows to a crawl as the scientists who would be discovering new technologies are diverted to design weapons and other stuff using current scientific understanding instead. Eventually, there's nothing new for the development to do with current knowledge, but there's no time to test random theories that could have a military application, because the war is happening "now, dammit", and the resources for such research are needed elsewhere, so progress slows to a crawl at best. Fortunately, we haven't had any wars long enough on a large enough scale to see that play out all the way, or even close to that. When the Franks/Holy Roman Empire, err, I mean Teutogens/Reiklanders/Free People, have been waging multiple wars of survival spanning millennia, as well as apocalypse and creation level events, one can understand how they could run out of scientific concepts to work with after a while. That being said, "medieval stasis", although allowing us to play with our knights in a setting with lots of semi-recorded history and abandoned castles to loot, does come across as lazy if pulled off poorly. Even if the tech isn't revolutionizing, maybe some general figures out slightly less rudimentary polearm and shot formations, maybe fashion changes, or halberds give way to pikes. Something should happen, even if it's little. For instance, if GW had kept the Hochland Long Rifle out of Mordheim, or given those guys a slightly older style of helmet, 500 years before barely pre-end times, it would have shown the Empire was advancing somewhat, without radically altering the setting. Having a stable world is good for telling epic fantasy yarns, a static world can be a bit much.

That being said, I'm a fluff bunny, and may be given to a degree of fanboyism.

 mikhaila wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Stuff like this is why I avoid fluff.. How do you fast forward thousands of years and still be stuck in the medieval era? Am I missing something?

Destruction of civilization and domination by the chaos gods for several thousand years? And not making the assumption that technology keeps a pace similar to the real world.

In any fantasy world, if you assume technological progression, then 1000 year old elves should be splicing DNA. But they aren't, because it's fantasy. Look at LOTR from which most fantasy derives. The elves are hundreds and thousands of years old. Each individual elf, not just the culture.

Warhammer fantasy (like all games workshop games) was created in a vacuum and is solely the original work of games workshop. Your comparisons to LOTR are otiose.

Yeah, I have been reading some stuff (AoS related) and it seems a bit more easier to understand and might prompt me to play the game more.

Not sure how GW pandering to the 6-8 year old ADD crowd has anything to do with offending women.

You know the real issue? GW radically (80-90%) changed a game i loved and played for 5-6 years. The only thing recognizable are the models themselves. For all we know the old factions won't even exist anymore. There is a such thing as too much change GW and you should've kept fantasy active with 'Age of Sigmar' as a choice to play. That way you have 2 game systems.

Oh and the real problem is a legit game turning into ride a fake horse and make funny faces with no points values in the actual game. I guarantee you 40k players if this happened to you guys after you've played for years and spent tons of money most of you would leave too.

Right now i'm wondering if i should play dark eldar with 40k or just switch to non-GW games after this.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Not sure how GW pandering to the 6-8 year old ADD crowd has anything to do with offending women.

You know the real issue? GW radically (80-90%) changed a game i loved and played for 5-6 years. The only thing recognizable are the models themselves. For all we know the old factions won't even exist anymore. There is a such thing as too much change GW and you should've kept fantasy active with 'Age of Sigmar' as a choice to play. That way you have 2 game systems.

Oh and the real problem is a legit game turning into ride a fake horse and make funny faces with no points values in the actual game. I guarantee you 40k players if this happened to you guys after you've played for years and spent tons of money most of you would leave too.

Right now i'm wondering if i should play dark eldar with 40k or just switch to non-GW games after this.

Or you can do what some other person did when he chucked a massive hissy fit, he burned his entire collection. I saw personally more than 20 AoS box sets picked up as pre-orders (one was mine) or sold that day, you are in the minority.

Also if this happened to 40K it would not matter a hill of beans to me, I'd get excited and get on with learning the new game.


There is always Magic the Gathering if you are not happy.

I would be so happy if this thread contained news. Or rumors.

 Talys wrote:
I would be so happy if this thread contained news. Or rumors.

You're a mad man!

Has anyone yet said "I just like the models" because I really like the new models.

 Homenutt wrote:
Has anyone yet said "I just like the models" because I really like the new models.

"I just like the models!"

At least, that's why I bought the box. The game looks okay, I think. But I'm saving it til I paint the models to play. I like the measuring sticks too! They are way better than the ones that come with Dark Vengeance. Mine were totally warped, making them not very useful.

I bought the big book this weekend, at the same time. Wow, that's a nice book. It has a lot more stuff in it, definitely worth the buy if you want to get into the game world, I think.

But yeah! The models are the nicest models I think I may have seen... ever! And before anyone jumps all over me, I just mean, that they're really pretty, and I like them. Not that some other model is sucky. Or that it has more of this do-dad or that gizmo or the plastic is this or that. They just make me smile a bit is all. And I wish I could buy more of the winged angels by themselves!

 Achaylus72 wrote:
Or you can do what some other person did when he chucked a massive hissy fit, he burned his entire collection.

And considering how popular that YouTube video was, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he made more money from burning his army than he would have if he had just sold it on eBay.

 Achaylus72 wrote:
I saw personally more than 20 AoS box sets picked up as pre-orders (one was mine) or sold that day, you are in the minority.

You personally saw that at your store. Anecdotal evidence. That's not at all indicative of how AoS is selling anywhere but that store, nor does it give any indication of the long-term health of the game, even if you could prove that it was selling that well at every store.

I have no doubt GW is going to sell lots of AoS starters simply because of the 40k crossover potential with the models. I imagine most people are buying the box because they want to convert the models into Marines or Khorne berzerkers, not because they're interested in the game itself. We'll see how it goes once all the 40k players are done buying their conversion fodder and AoS starts getting more releases in the weeks to come, but until then, it's a little too early to call AoS a success (or a failure, to be completely fair...but I'd bet my money on the latter, personally).

 Achaylus72 wrote:
There is always Magic the Gathering if you are not happy.

Ah yes, that other popular mass-battle fantasy game where you assemble armies of hundreds of little plastic figures to fight people with. I forgot about that one.

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I thought the mods might keep a better handle on keeping this a N&R thread this time, guess not.


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 Talys wrote:
I would be so happy if this thread contained news. Or rumors.

You and me both!

What's David Guymer like as a writer? I've not heard of him before.

For those wanting to have a good ol' whinge/gush about AoS please take it here. In the mean time can we keep this as a N&R discussion?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450/655877.page

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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
... GW pandering to the 6-8 year old ADD crowd...

It's amazing how the target audience for Warhammer smoothly and gradualy changed over the years from the "intelligent 18 years old" as defined by Bryan Ansell to a "7 years old with mum".

As is the case with most things, "Get 'em hooked while they're young" is a pretty good way of keeping the business coming in. I'm sure some of you will agree that you got into this at an early age. I think I was probably about 8 or 9 when I started.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
As is the case with most things, "Get 'em hooked while they're young" is a pretty good way of keeping the business coming in. I'm sure some of you will agree that you got into this at an early age. I think I was probably about 8 or 9 when I started.

Yes but I for example was a kid hooked up on an teenage/ early adult things. Not the same as going smurfs with Warhammer.

I was18 or 19, actually. Basically wargaming wasn't even an option before I moved out of the house and started making my own money. Too expensive.

I was more into video games when I was younger anyway.

 Achaylus72 wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Not sure how GW pandering to the 6-8 year old ADD crowd has anything to do with offending women.

You know the real issue? GW radically (80-90%) changed a game i loved and played for 5-6 years. The only thing recognizable are the models themselves. For all we know the old factions won't even exist anymore. There is a such thing as too much change GW and you should've kept fantasy active with 'Age of Sigmar' as a choice to play. That way you have 2 game systems.

Oh and the real problem is a legit game turning into ride a fake horse and make funny faces with no points values in the actual game. I guarantee you 40k players if this happened to you guys after you've played for years and spent tons of money most of you would leave too.

Right now i'm wondering if i should play dark eldar with 40k or just switch to non-GW games after this.

Or you can do what some other person did when he chucked a massive hissy fit, he burned his entire collection. I saw personally more than 20 AoS box sets picked up as pre-orders (one was mine) or sold that day, you are in the minority.

Also if this happened to 40K it would not matter a hill of beans to me, I'd get excited and get on with learning the new game.


There is always Magic the Gathering if you are not happy.

Another amazing thing, how critique of AoS will be met with attempts at sweeping the critics together as mini burning drama queens and suggestions that it's all hysteria, knee jerk etc. Newsflash, almost noone will burn their minis but a lot of people will walk away and GW better pander to those mums hard and hook the kids good.

Starters will always sell great as they have the best money to plastic ratio around, it has nothing to do with how good the game is.




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 Sidstyler wrote:
I was18 or 19, actually. Basically wargaming wasn't even an option before I moved out of the house and started making my own money. Too expensive.

I was more into video games when I was younger anyway.

I started very early with boardgames and wargames but it was things like Battletech, historical hex based boardgames etc. I also read Dune when I was 10 which is not a simple childish thing either (made me quite crazy for life I guess though). I played until 16 then stopped because girls booze and drugs are quite a game too. Then I got married and went back to boardgames and warhamers so proper addictive stuff lol (more expensive as well) not because those were easy, childish and simplistic back then when I was a kid but exactly because they weren't. I wouldnt get back to AoS just like I dont go back to Talisman. I go back to Dune but dont go back to all the Bambi equivalents. Etc.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Achaylus72 wrote:
Or you can do what some other person did when he chucked a massive hissy fit, he burned his entire collection.

And considering how popular that YouTube video was, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he made more money from burning his army than he would have if he had just sold it on eBay.

 Achaylus72 wrote:
I saw personally more than 20 AoS box sets picked up as pre-orders (one was mine) or sold that day, you are in the minority.

You personally saw that at your store. Anecdotal evidence. That's not at all indicative of how AoS is selling anywhere but that store, nor does it give any indication of the long-term health of the game, even if you could prove that it was selling that well at every store.

I have no doubt GW is going to sell lots of AoS starters simply because of the 40k crossover potential with the models. I imagine most people are buying the box because they want to convert the models into Marines or Khorne berzerkers, not because they're interested in the game itself. We'll see how it goes once all the 40k players are done buying their conversion fodder and AoS starts getting more releases in the weeks to come, but until then, it's a little too early to call AoS a success (or a failure, to be completely fair...but I'd bet my money on the latter, personally).

 Achaylus72 wrote:
There is always Magic the Gathering if you are not happy.

Ah yes, that other popular mass-battle fantasy game where you assemble armies of hundreds of little plastic figures to fight people with. I forgot about that one.

You "imagine"? That's pretty hilarious, honestly. You lambast another user for trusting anecdotal evidence, then you make up a reason why even if the game sells, no one is buying it for the actual game...

I started very early with boardgames and wargames but it was things like Battletech, historical hex based boardgames etc. I also read Dune when I was 10 which is not a simple childish thing either (made me quite crazy for life I guess though). I played until 16 then stopped because girls booze and drugs are quite a game too. Then I got married and went back to boardgames and warhamers so proper addictive stuff lol (more expensive as well) not because those were easy, childish and simplistic back then when I was a kid but exactly because they weren't. I wouldnt get back to AoS just like I dont go back to Talisman. I go back to Dune but dont go back to all the Bambi equivalents. Etc.

It an interesting progression that I have also made - or somewhat similar:

The only real difference is that I find I have less interest in and enjoyment from the more complex rules systems than once I did - and importantly whilst I have the money to buy stuff but not normally the time to really spend on it as I once did, and my friends are the much the same - especially those with current partners / children.

So a number of us are really looking for a game where we can relax, chat about the game, push models about, construct scenarios in advance or on the day, make some silly quotes and accents, noises etc and generally chill.

Some days we want to enjoy the inherent complexity and intricate model interactions of say Malifaux or WM/H and sometime we want to match Judges or Renegade Ape Gangs versus East Meg Commies / Rebellious Robots for three or four half an hour games of Dredd. Now the latter can be tactical but is mostly rules lite - same as say the pretty awesome Heroscape with which AOS shares a number of things

AOS does look like it will be more conducive to this - at least at the moment but need to explore the game a bit - also making new units for it seems really good fun

Simple rules do not necessarily make a game "childish" is a point I would like to emphasise...............

 mikhaila wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Stuff like this is why I avoid fluff.. How do you fast forward thousands of years and still be stuck in the medieval era? Am I missing something?

Destruction of civilization and domination by the chaos gods for several thousand years? And not making the assumption that technology keeps a pace similar to the real world.

In any fantasy world, if you assume technological progression, then 1000 year old elves should be splicing DNA. But they aren't, because it's fantasy. Look at LOTR from which most fantasy derives. The elves are hundreds and thousands of years old. Each individual elf, not just the culture.


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 Yodhrin wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
I guess smelly penitents in rags fared better than the men in tight brigades when it came to who survived the end of the universe.

Age of Sigmar takes place millennia after the End Times, after the rise and fall of numerous civilizations, any number of which may have been grander and lasted longer than the Old World's Empire. And they only rate a passing mention in the background section.

For all we know, all the humans in the AOS universe are descended from Tileans.

How does that work, since the Tileans(and Estalians) were wiped out "off screen" by the Skaven during the End Times?

There's no real question here, GW haven't thought carefully about this beyond, as you say, they purposefully wrote AoS to be as distant and disconnected from real Warhammer as possible; there are Flagellants and War Altars in the pics because GW still sell those models, and they'll keep selling them until either they produce newshiny "Free Peoples" miniatures, or until they think they've driven away enough of the old guard that nobody cares about real Warhammer any more and just stop making them, all the while talking out the side of their faces to assure us that they'll keep supporting those races & models because, afterall, didn't they generously give us all those free Warscrolls?

I don't get what's so hard to understand. (Well, other than people making it hard on purpose.)

There is the old world with it's stories. We fought battles with characters that in the chronology were long dead. No one complained if you fought Grom the Paunch vs Karl Franz. Grom died long ago, documented in both orc and elf army books.
We use the characters and the stories in our battles, and don't worry about how they fit together.

Then we have the end times. More stories, everyone dies. Except I can still play 8th edition and use characters that died in the end times next to ones that died a thousand years before.

Now Age of Sigmar. Instead of saying "Sod off, use new Sigmarine or Chaos models, or don't play!", they said "Here's free rules to use all your old models in the new game, have fun". Fight with old characters and new models. . Not a problem. The stories for age of sigmar will slowly unwind and we'll get new models. And still be able to mix the old ones in. Still able to play end times, and Tamurkhan, and 8th edition, or any other Edition.

Your problem is you assume a failure of comprehension on our part, when the reality is some simply think you're wrong.

Technically, all of that's true. And technically, there's nothing stopping me using a 6th Edition army book with 8th Edition rules either. Of course practically it's a disingenuous crock, because most older rules don't hold up well/interact oddly to your disadvantage with the new ones, and the same will be true of AoS; right now the "price" for playing your old armies and characters in AoS is clowning around in front of other people as the result of a calculated attempt to humiliate you into buying the newer armies(and that's what the GW bloke at the FW event said to someone, in so many words), but the idea those Warscrolls are going to remain viable in the medium to long term, or will be updated to keep pace with the newshiny factions, is a joke.

Similarly, and this has been pointed out over, and over, and over, and over again; sure, I can play 8th. Or 7th. Or Tamurkhan. Or the original concept draft of the Warhammer rules written on the back of a napkin in a pub in 1979 - if I have a regular group who are all willing to play older rules and who all roughly agree on a style of play and what houserules if any are necessary. You own a store, so you know damn well that for a lot of people, that is simply not going to happen - they play the newest rules, or they play nothing.

If GW genuinely wanted to thank and support those who'd stuck with them up to this point, they'd have completed 8th Edition with the final two books prior to the End Times, thoroughly FAQ'd the core and army rules, and then put all of those up on their website for free, to make it as easy as possible for people to continue playing 8th with their old armies. The AoS rules for the old stuff are not for our benefit, they are a calculated and cynical attempt to placate people just long enough for GW to bring out the newshiny version of their old faction, in the hope that the new models dazzle them into buying regardless of any other considerations.

It's of course perfectly within GW's rights to do what they've done, but nobody is obligated to like it, and nobody is obligated to keep the fact they dislike it to themselves.

Regarding playing dead game systems- a store will sometimes prefer to promote games they are currently selling. If AOS is available to sell that is going to get pushed more than a WFB version from the past.

Essentially it is left to the basement gamers to keep going with the old versions. I just purchased a couple of copies of the 8th edition rules, just to have them available.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Stuff like this is why I avoid fluff.. How do you fast forward thousands of years and still be stuck in the medieval era? Am I missing something?

Destruction of civilization and domination by the chaos gods for several thousand years? And not making the assumption that technology keeps a pace similar to the real world.

In any fantasy world, if you assume technological progression, then 1000 year old elves should be splicing DNA. But they aren't, because it's fantasy. Look at LOTR from which most fantasy derives. The elves are hundreds and thousands of years old. Each individual elf, not just the culture.


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 Yodhrin wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
I guess smelly penitents in rags fared better than the men in tight brigades when it came to who survived the end of the universe.

Age of Sigmar takes place millennia after the End Times, after the rise and fall of numerous civilizations, any number of which may have been grander and lasted longer than the Old World's Empire. And they only rate a passing mention in the background section.

For all we know, all the humans in the AOS universe are descended from Tileans.

How does that work, since the Tileans(and Estalians) were wiped out "off screen" by the Skaven during the End Times?

There's no real question here, GW haven't thought carefully about this beyond, as you say, they purposefully wrote AoS to be as distant and disconnected from real Warhammer as possible; there are Flagellants and War Altars in the pics because GW still sell those models, and they'll keep selling them until either they produce newshiny "Free Peoples" miniatures, or until they think they've driven away enough of the old guard that nobody cares about real Warhammer any more and just stop making them, all the while talking out the side of their faces to assure us that they'll keep supporting those races & models because, afterall, didn't they generously give us all those free Warscrolls?

I don't get what's so hard to understand. (Well, other than people making it hard on purpose.)

There is the old world with it's stories. We fought battles with characters that in the chronology were long dead. No one complained if you fought Grom the Paunch vs Karl Franz. Grom died long ago, documented in both orc and elf army books.
We use the characters and the stories in our battles, and don't worry about how they fit together.

Then we have the end times. More stories, everyone dies. Except I can still play 8th edition and use characters that died in the end times next to ones that died a thousand years before.

Now Age of Sigmar. Instead of saying "Sod off, use new Sigmarine or Chaos models, or don't play!", they said "Here's free rules to use all your old models in the new game, have fun". Fight with old characters and new models. . Not a problem. The stories for age of sigmar will slowly unwind and we'll get new models. And still be able to mix the old ones in. Still able to play end times, and Tamurkhan, and 8th edition, or any other Edition.

Your problem is you assume a failure of comprehension on our part, when the reality is some simply think you're wrong.

Technically, all of that's true. And technically, there's nothing stopping me using a 6th Edition army book with 8th Edition rules either. Of course practically it's a disingenuous crock, because most older rules don't hold up well/interact oddly to your disadvantage with the new ones, and the same will be true of AoS; right now the "price" for playing your old armies and characters in AoS is clowning around in front of other people as the result of a calculated attempt to humiliate you into buying the newer armies(and that's what the GW bloke at the FW event said to someone, in so many words), but the idea those Warscrolls are going to remain viable in the medium to long term, or will be updated to keep pace with the newshiny factions, is a joke.

Similarly, and this has been pointed out over, and over, and over, and over again; sure, I can play 8th. Or 7th. Or Tamurkhan. Or the original concept draft of the Warhammer rules written on the back of a napkin in a pub in 1979 - if I have a regular group who are all willing to play older rules and who all roughly agree on a style of play and what houserules if any are necessary. You own a store, so you know damn well that for a lot of people, that is simply not going to happen - they play the newest rules, or they play nothing.

If GW genuinely wanted to thank and support those who'd stuck with them up to this point, they'd have completed 8th Edition with the final two books prior to the End Times, thoroughly FAQ'd the core and army rules, and then put all of those up on their website for free, to make it as easy as possible for people to continue playing 8th with their old armies. The AoS rules for the old stuff are not for our benefit, they are a calculated and cynical attempt to placate people just long enough for GW to bring out the newshiny version of their old faction, in the hope that the new models dazzle them into buying regardless of any other considerations.

It's of course perfectly within GW's rights to do what they've done, but nobody is obligated to like it, and nobody is obligated to keep the fact they dislike it to themselves.

Nail and head good sir.

Plus the polls posted across forums backs this up. At best its a 50/50 split for this who like it or dislike it. The big question is will they still like it in 6 months or will they be bord?

I would give it another try if GW didva version of the rules for infantry blocks and a points system. At the moment I may as well just have a nice roll contest.

Mymearan wrote:
You "imagine"? That's pretty hilarious, honestly. You lambast another user for trusting anecdotal evidence, then you make up a reason why even if the game sells, no one is buying it for the actual game...

It's my opinion, not a statement of fact. Achaylus post definitely came off as a statement of fact, hence why I took issue with it.

Like I said, if AoS products continue to be hot sellers beyond the AoS starter then I'll be convinced, but as of now it was kind of a given that the starter would sell just because of the models, and I don't think it really means anything yet.

I think this particular tangent has been done to death, so lets' move on.

Thanks !


https://www.flickr.com/photos/133089306@N08/sets/72157655911579881/

Has some pics of the AoS display at Warhammer World

https://www.flickr.com/photos/133089306@N08/collections/72157655875302725/

has more pics of the other displays/warhammer world in general.

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
... GW pandering to the 6-8 year old ADD crowd...

It's amazing how the target audience for Warhammer smoothly and gradualy changed over the years from the "intelligent 18 years old" as defined by Bryan Ansell to a "7 years old with mum".

Not really, for me and my crowd it was always an immature fun game originally, around ten years old is the age quite a few of us were when we started out on GW stuff back in the 80s, lots of the jokes were pretty childish, and there was nothing else like it around at the time though, so its hard to compare really.

Anyway, back on topic, I am still not sold on the sigmarites, tried reading the fluff but I cant really get into it.
Still I might pick some of those khorne chaps off ebay for my csm, I really like the lord and the massive dreadnought sorry, bag of skulls !!!


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I checked out that Khornate dice shaker at the weekend and it really is a nice piece of kit, lots of cool little markings and lots of detail.
I was tempted I must admit.
I think they would sell quite a few of those things if it was a decent price, I could not however justify twenty five pounds when I can just use my hand instead.

 Rayvon wrote:

I think they would sell quite a few of those things if it was a decent price, I could not however justify twenty five pounds when I can just use my hand instead.

GW would drastically increases profit / sales if they sold anything at a reasonable price.

 reds8n wrote:
I think this particular tangent has been done to death, so lets' move on.

Thanks !


https://www.flickr.com/photos/133089306@N08/sets/72157655911579881/

Has some pics of the AoS display at Warhammer World

https://www.flickr.com/photos/133089306@N08/collections/72157655875302725/

has more pics of the other displays/warhammer world in general.

Really great links thanks! War hammer world is looking like it's worth the trip more and more.
Also from the artwork on the walls I think we can expect the Black Orruks to be the size of sigmarines, if not bulkier still!

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/133089306@N08/19723443461/in/set-72157655911579881/