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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
No i'm saying GW has the most sexually modest female models in general which is generally what people complain about.

What?

I have never seen people complaining that the very few female models GW does make are not skimpy enough.

On the contrary, there is boobplate all over the place. Hell, there's even Boobplate: The Faction (SOB)

 Ashiraya wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
No i'm saying GW has the most sexually modest female models in general which is generally what people complain about.

What?

I have never seen people complaining that the very few female models GW does make are not skimpy enough.

On the contrary, there is boobplate all over the place. Hell, there's even Boobplate: The Faction (SOB)

I think you missed the point like big time lol

TiamatRoar wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
again, GW has had quite a few females in the fluff...
Empire novels, Elf novels, Dwarf novels, and Vampire novels just in Fantasy alone...
i have never felt there was a shortage of female characters in the fluff...

will we see any females fighting for Sigmar???
we just might...
it is a bit early to tell...

cheers
jah

Novels are all Black Library.

And of course, even GW itself has women and women models here and there. They just inexplicably make some FLUFF cases to be male-only even when they didn't need to (Knights are explicitly stated to only be men, Necrons never have any female ones mentioned by GW, and now, besides a "Maybe" from a designer, Sigmarines are male-only in practice, as shown by their mascule pronouns and lack of mention of any female ones anywhere).

Really, in the case of knights, necrons, and (to stay on topic) the Sigmarines, the models have enough excuses that GW could have just said "Some are female." ("were female" in the necrons' case) like Forgeworld, Black Libary, and FFG do and left it at that, yet they don't. At most, we get a "maybe" if you ask a designer while the official fluff for Stormcast Eternals continues to only be men and refer to male pronouns.

A wasted opportunity.

Black Library is still GW, just as Forge World is, so it is all under the same umbrella...
if you want Army Books as an example, the HE, WE, DE, TK, and VC all had females...
i am sure the next versions will, too...

as for Eternals, i don't see the need, just as i don't see the need with Space Marines...
we still don't know what is coming down the line, though...

if you want to decry this as a wasted opportunity, that's understandable...
GW has to choose how they want to present each faction...
one human faction that is purely male doesn't seem like a problem to me, especially when all of the Elves and Undead represent strong female characters quite nicely...

seems to be much ado about nothing...
maybe Sisters of Sigmar will make a comeback...

cheers
jah

I think it would have been easier to just have the Eternals be the souls of valiant warriors of both genders inhabiting the suit of armor.

Or have them all made in Sigmar's image, literally all having the face and likeness of Sigmar, whatever gender or race they might have been originally.

You've got an explanation for both genders without having to make differentiated models, unless there's going to be distinct female models in service to our lord Sigmar.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I think it would have been easier to just have the Eternals be the souls of valiant warriors of both genders inhabiting the suit of armor.

Or have them all made in Sigmar's image, literally all having the face and likeness of Sigmar, whatever gender or race they might have been originally.

You've got an explanation for both genders without having to make differentiated models, unless there's going to be distinct female models in service to our lord Sigmar.

That is the worst possible "solution" to this problem.

If anyone is still wondering whether Sigmarines are WHFB versions of Space Marines this should put it to an end.... we are now having the same damned "Female Space Marine" argument except now it's a "Female Sigmarine" discussion

I personally don't lose any sleep at night worrying about lack of females in a wargame. The whole conversation reminds me of a guy I witnessed in a game store who was complaining to a woman who had came in with her kids to see what miniature gaming was about.
He jumped right in with the whole sexism in gaming shtick and pointed out a miniature of a woman in chain mail that had nipple bumps as he went on his rant.
I stepped as far away from him as I could get, not wanting any part of the conversation, and the woman just kind of nodded, smiled, and quickly shooshed her kids out the door, to never again be seen.

I am really disliking how the entire Sigmarine faction just looks like the same five sculpts with weapon swaps. I keep on trying to talk myself into getting the starter, but the Sigmarines are just so boring and not my style of fantasy, and the Chaos guys are all way over-designed. I know that might sound contradictory, but the older I get the more practical I want my miniatures to look. Give me fifteen years and I'll be playing historicals.

The crossbow cannon is ridiculous. I also can't stand the fact that even the Sigmarines butts are armored in plate. It just further reduces my ability to suspend my disbelief and get into the setting.

I hope that GW starts releasing something other than Sigmarines here before too long, I'm anxious to see some new designs and directions for old favorites.

 Gallahad wrote:
I am really disliking how the entire Sigmarine faction just looks like the same five sculpts with weapon swaps. I keep on trying to talk myself into getting the starter, but the Sigmarines are just so boring and not my style of fantasy, and the Chaos guys are all way over-designed. I know that might sound contradictory, but the older I get the more practical I want my miniatures to look. Give me fifteen years and I'll be playing historicals.

The crossbow cannon is ridiculous. I also can't stand the fact that even the Sigmarines butts are armored in plate. It just further reduces my ability to suspend my disbelief and get into the setting.

I hope that GW starts releasing something other than Sigmarines here before too long, I'm anxious to see some new designs and directions for old favorites.

Clearly what we need now are some more lightly armoured Sigmarscouts with more realistic/historical camo-cloaksshrouds over their gold plate.

See? GW can appeal to all audiences.

Again I ask...news? rumors? anything on topic? Please?

I heard a rumour that this thread might get back on track soon.

Apply salt/estrogen as necessary.

AlexHolker wrote:
That is the worst possible "solution" to this problem.

I disagree. We are talking about the demigod soldiers of a once mortal barbarian king reborn into godhood who decided to name everything which wasn't bolted down using his name as a root word. Sigmar clearly has humility issues and we can probably read more about it once GW releases the Sigmarillion.

highlord tamburlaine wrote:I think it would have been easier to just have the Eternals be the souls of valiant warriors of both genders inhabiting the suit of armor.

Or have them all made in Sigmar's image, literally all having the face and likeness of Sigmar, whatever gender or race they might have been originally.

That must be a shocker to wake up to.

I do like the fact that the initial creation of the Stormcast Eternals is called "The First Striking".

In the latest White Dwarf there is a "Chamber" organisation diagram. Most models we know about, but under the auxiliary command bit there seems to be some kind of battle standard and a musician.,,perhaps a hint of models to come? The 3 Paladin varieties look awesome as well.



Have spoilered the rest:

How does he use his trumpet club? Do these guys have lips the purse from their masks?

Wow the paintings are sooooo baaaad. And 10 of the same cheap painting next to each other? wow.

 Gallahad wrote:
I am really disliking how the entire Sigmarine faction just looks like the same five sculpts with weapon swaps. I keep on trying to talk myself into getting the starter, but the Sigmarines are just so boring and not my style of fantasy, and the Chaos guys are all way over-designed. I know that might sound contradictory, but the older I get the more practical I want my miniatures to look. Give me fifteen years and I'll be playing historicals.

The crossbow cannon is ridiculous. I also can't stand the fact that even the Sigmarines butts are armored in plate. It just further reduces my ability to suspend my disbelief and get into the setting.

I hope that GW starts releasing something other than Sigmarines here before too long, I'm anxious to see some new designs and directions for old favorites.

I think the fact that the Sigmarines all look the same except with different weapon combos is made worse by the fact that they are only releasing Sigmarines at the moment. Would have been nice if they had staggered the releases and mixed up a few of the factions a bit. I do find their models utterly boring and uninspiring and it's a shame that the characters have way too much silly detail going on when they should be the exceptional standout designs. That said the Chaos range, except for the big monster, is quite nice; I wouldn't say that those models are over-designed really. Some great potential for Berzerkers of Khorne conversions.

Agree on the crossbow cannon thing...utterly ridiculous model. On the design of the armour I think the whole appearance looks impractical. However I am hoping that some of the other factions don't carry across that same over designed bulky armour appearance.

Agree with you about hoping to see something else other than Sigmarines released soon..looking forward to see what they do with the Dwarves and Orcs...

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Can you guys keep the social justice out of here for christ sake? Dark eldar and eldar have plenty of female special characters. Also as far as 40k and fantasy goes being 'family friendly' means in general you don't see overly sexual themes which is probably why slaanesh is getting replaced by the horned rat.

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Slightly more on topic

You don't get to say people should abandon an argument for being off-topic, just after you've been pushing your own stance in that argument. Choose one or the other in a post, please.

Relapse wrote:
I personally don't lose any sleep at night worrying about lack of females in a wargame. The whole conversation reminds me of a guy I witnessed in a game store who was complaining to a woman who had came in with her kids to see what miniature gaming was about.
He jumped right in with the whole sexism in gaming shtick and pointed out a miniature of a woman in chain mail that had nipple bumps as he went on his rant.
I stepped as far away from him as I could get, not wanting any part of the conversation, and the woman just kind of nodded, smiled, and quickly shooshed her kids out the door, to never again be seen.

See, that's further evidence that the issue is costing the miniatures industry potential customers. Although GW doesn't really go that far with their own models.............. well, usually (Morathi, Lilith, etc),

Slightly more on-topic, it would have been pretty funny if GW made some female Sigmarine models and instead of people saying "They're copies of marines!", everyone would be saying "They're copies of marines and sisters of battle!"

But... it would still have been much better because then those poor neglected SoBs would be getting a bit more attention again. Or at least some nice conversion opportunities. Heck, imagine the memes and jokes. "Finally, Plastic Sisters, thanks to Age of Sigmar!" And hey, a faction that combined both space marines and SoBs would be a little more interesting than "Space Marines... IN FANTASY!" that we currently have.

And I don't expect them to create a female faction. If GW cared about doing something like that, we'd see updated SoBs finally.

Making Warhammer any less white and male-dominated would be a big change that would surely prove controversial with the customer base. That's the last thing GW would want for Age of Sigmar.

 Fabio Bile wrote:
Making Warhammer any less white and male-dominated would be a big change that would surely prove controversial with the customer base. That's the last thing GW would want for Age of Sigmar.

More seriously (assuming you were sarcastic), it's a bit sad that they blew up the Warhammer Fantasy World with the End Times, signalling a great change, only for nothing to really have changed at all. Why bother revamping the setting entirely if you're going to do absolutely nothing new with the new setting?

 Fabio Bile wrote:
Making Warhammer any less white and male-dominated would be a big change that would surely prove controversial with the customer base. That's the last thing GW would want for Age of Sigmar.

Sure, because destroying Warhammer as we know it isn't controversial at all.

AlexHolker wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:
I don't think it's that much of a specific business decision to sell more male troops and characters than female ones. It's just... common. Especially in a war game. Female troops are over-represented in GW's range if you look at human history for comparison, and this is the usual source.

Feth human history. If I wanted a game about historical warfare, I'd be playing a historical wargame. I like sci-fi and fantasy precisely because it has an excuse to tell this idea that "women aren't soldiers" to go die in a ditch.

While I'm sympathetic to the general theme of the argument, without human history you wouldn't have much of the good ol' cod-dark-ages/cod-medieval/cod-renaissance modern fantasy, and most of the conventions of wargaming itself, in the first place. Fething human history is how we ended up with this magical collection of bubble universes swirling round the cosmic bowl, populated almost entirely (at this point) by golden-golem ground marines.

RoninXiC wrote:Wow the paintings are sooooo baaaad. And 10 of the same cheap painting next to each other? wow.

Indeed. It's not inspiring.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
No i'm saying GW has the most sexually modest female models in general which is generally what people complain about.

What?

I have never seen people complaining that the very few female models GW does make are not skimpy enough.

On the contrary, there is boobplate all over the place. Hell, there's even Boobplate: The Faction (SOB)

I'm not sure if this is serious or trolling, you saw the witch elves right? how much they were toned down?

The Boobplate issue is odd on one hand people want female figures to be recognizable as female but not over sexualized, I think SoB do this quite well, the only skin they show is their face.

And its still too much for some. No wonder GW wont touch SoB now because there scared of the reactions from certain people. But its fine to have perfect men time after time because after all perfect chiseled mussels is what everybody wants on men right?




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 AlexHolker wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I think it would have been easier to just have the Eternals be the souls of valiant warriors of both genders inhabiting the suit of armor.

Or have them all made in Sigmar's image, literally all having the face and likeness of Sigmar, whatever gender or race they might have been originally.

You've got an explanation for both genders without having to make differentiated models, unless there's going to be distinct female models in service to our lord Sigmar.

That is the worst possible "solution" to this problem.

Indeed its the same as my marines are girls so we don't need SoB argument all over. Its stupid

I think this thread has had enough of the gender related discussion -- plenty of bandwidth elsewhere on the site to discuss this issue.


So further posts on this topic in this thread -- for now anyway -- will be treated as spam.


Thank you.

RoninXiC wrote:
Wow the paintings are sooooo baaaad. And 10 of the same cheap painting next to each other? wow.

I thought the same, it really does all feel like its aimed at early teens when you look at this new stuff in person, particularly the literature, if you can all it that.

Pretty sure WFB seemed more mature in the early days, or maybe I just want to remember it like that

 Swastakowey wrote:
How does he use his trumpet club? Do these guys have lips the purse from their masks?

Maybe it's a toilet plunger.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I do like the fact that the initial creation of the Stormcast Eternals is called "The First Striking".

In the latest White Dwarf there is a "Chamber" organisation diagram. Most models we know about, but under the auxiliary command bit there seems to be some kind of battle standard and a musician.,,perhaps a hint of models to come? The 3 Paladin varieties look awesome as well.

All of this was inside of the big book.

The "Paladins" are Retributors(2h hammers), Decimators(2h axes), and Protectors(Glaives).

Better pictures of Dragonfate Dias and Numinous Occulum found from GW Preston Facebook. Like Baleful Realmgate, Dragonfate Dias was first sighted in 2013 Triumph and Treachery book but it has received a new base. Numinous Occulum is a new item. It looks like it might be somehow compatible with Ophidian Archway.

Anyone play this game yet?

How exactly do you use your standing armies in it?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I do like the fact that the initial creation of the Stormcast Eternals is called "The First Striking".

In the latest White Dwarf there is a "Chamber" organisation diagram. Most models we know about, but under the auxiliary command bit there seems to be some kind of battle standard and a musician.,,perhaps a hint of models to come? The 3 Paladin varieties look awesome as well.

All of this was inside of the big book.

The "Paladins" are Retributors(2h hammers), Decimators(2h axes), and Protectors(Glaives).

Cheers Kanluwen, I must have missed it amongst all the "what genitalia have they got?" rumour discussion.

That Occulem looks great, and indeed compatible with the Archway.