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I thought the point of AoS was to "lower" the introduction price and attract a new consumer base. $33 for a small metal template is ridiculous. The dice shakers have enough flair and craftsmanship + dice to maybe warrant if your a hardcore fan, but even then its just a painted resin cup for $40.
Not to mention the model prices...AoS box decent bargain....5 stormcast eternals for $50 bucks not. AoS just sxreams of the biggest cash grab ever, lets not even mention the $27 army spay.

With the $40 price tag, I honestly thought the dice shakers would be leather......HOWEVER, after reading that they were resin, I gotta tell you the truth. Resin ain't cheap. Granted GW is probably having them produced in Asia, but the shipping fees to England and the UK are very high. Do I think $40 for a resin cup covered in ornaments and painted is a good price? No, not really. I used to create resin-cast art figures/toys, and the cost of the resin that I used was fairly steep (from an artistic material stand-point). I dunno. I got mixed feelings about the price posted.

Saw 250 for the starter box just a minute ago. This game is not meant for the casual gamer it seems. The low model count/high cost is really going to push people away. I don't really understand GW's logic on this. A paint set and other things of that nature I understand a bit but this.....


OK after going back and double checking the website the starter is listed as 125 not 250 like I originally thought. Some how my browser switched to Australia as my main and not US. My bad

The starter set is a "decent" bargain? It's being sold for 125$.

5 of those stormcast dudes are $50 ($38 for Poland, probably will be $35 at local gaming store prices as we only have one official GW store but lots of FLGSes).

Even if you count them at $30 being the price you would want them for, you would still pay more than 125$ for just the sigmarine side (two units of liberators, one unit of not-Imperius-at-all guys and one unit of those hammertimers along with a boss on dragon chicken), then add 20 marauders, 5 elite khornzerkers, a monster and the chaos lord.

I'm not counting the scenario/fluff book or aids(heh!) in the box.

Really, the box is a massive bargain right now. Sure, you don't get all the weapon options, but still you literally buy all those minis at less than half the price.

I said I was going to buy it, but I the boxed set, but I didn't. I got to my LGS and remembered all the awesome historical miniatures I could be getting for that price. Came home with a bunch of 28mm Celts.

In regards to the dice shaker, yes that's expensive, but I don't hear people crying about this: http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/germany/products/bolt-action-german-army-dice-bag-dice

True, it does come with some dice, but still. I'm not defending prices, but other things are pretty high too, but they all tend to be vanity items.

 NecroPunk wrote:
With the $40 price tag, I honestly thought the dice shakers would be leather......HOWEVER, after reading that they were resin, I gotta tell you the truth. Resin ain't cheap. Granted GW is probably having them produced in Asia, but the shipping fees to England and the UK are very high. Do I think $40 for a resin cup covered in ornaments and painted is a good price? No, not really. I used to create resin-cast art figures/toys, and the cost of the resin that I used was fairly steep (from an artistic material stand-point). I dunno. I got mixed feelings about the price posted.

You can buy resin or polystone dragon sculptures as big as these dice cups and even more detailed in stores in the malls here for about 15- 20 bucks.

Those cups could just as easily be cast from plastic without a boutique GW price. Hell. In plastic you can get a freaking Serenity from Firefly for that price!

Expect higher prices for all future WH-AOS releases. Requiring less models for a game means GW can jack the prices of all future life up higher.

And the people will cheer.

It's probably true that the $50 box of Sigmarines will have lots of different unit options contained within.

But if I do not have any wish to field archers, I would rather have a separate $30 box of guys with hammers, and a $30 box of guys with bows. Then for a little more you can have twice as much, or for almost half, you don't have dross you paid for but don't want.

I want to say that GW doesn't seem to see how the lower prices would sell like hotcakes (something a fledgling system needs to get off it's feet), but then the pessimist in me says, "No stupid, they know that. They just know that after years of indoctrination, that the higher prices will sell like hotcakes too".

60$ Canadian for 5 minis? Yeah I'll stick with my Empire army thanks.

Not exactly the best way to get new players in with 12$/model kits..

There's a difference between stuff you need and stuff you want. In no universe do you need the dice shaker or measuring... thing... for the game

The only question is, is there a universe in which you WANT either? Because if you don't the price is irrelevant. I wouldn't have bought either of them for $10, so it's like, "Whatever" on the price. I rank those gizmos up there with the "bits box" and "water pot" -- which are just a chocolate tin and a coffee mug, for whatever silly price they were at.

The models, on the other hand. I think they are USD $50 for 5 models, or $10 per model. Again, compare with AoS's closest comparable game. $10 per model for WMH is pretty cheap. That's the price of old metal minis -- 30mm base ones, to boot.

You go back to the whole thing... if you need fewer models, the price of the models can now be higher... right? Before AoS, everyone was saying how great the buy-in for WMH at sub-$300 was a great thing (or sub-$400, if you wanted a big model tossed in there). Now, it's possible with Age of Sigmar, too.

GW seem to be going for investment in the icing hoping people won't mind the taste of the cake. They can make the most beautiful models, dice shakers, artwork they want, but for me to part with my money, which I am itching to do by the way, there has to be a game for me to use all these trinkets with. And at the moment, there isn't.

If they had made an innovative game, the accessories would have flown off the shelves.

The £20 "combat guage" make me choke on my own laughter.

appalled by GW price gouging? shame on you if you think this is new.

This is just too funny man! 5 models for $67USD? Or that "batte gauge" for equally stupid price? Either they are very very up themselves or people are actually buying this haha.

Is this a new level for GW? I think it is...

Read those descriptions, comedy man.

I'd have bought the combat gauge for about £8, and the dice shaker for about £12, but as they currently are I looked at the prices, swore rather loudly, and put the white dwarf back. Even with the GW tax, they should be a lot cheaper than they are

Just saw it....£20...for..that.



wtf thats £10 off a full warmachine set.

It is a "necklace" with MAGNETS it is a high fashion item made out of metal so is justified...

Am I a bad person if I prefer my Yahtzee cup to theirs?

I'm just gonna use a simple carpenters cup to roll dice.

For the Lady! *tips lance*

Is it made from real gold?

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Is it made from real gold?

Well it does melt Nazi faces.

Edit: I also just realized you are probably meaning the measuring tool...

Here is one, don't buy it

I don't see that combat gauge being a best seller at $33

 GreenWarMachine wrote:
Saw 250 for the starter box just a minute ago.

$250 US? Where? Surely not on GW's site...?

bitethythumb wrote:
Here is one, don't buy it

 Talys wrote:
There's a difference between stuff you need and stuff you want. In no universe do you need the dice shaker or measuring... thing... for the game

qft

Those accessory prices are ridiculous, yeah. But...they're just accessories. Even the parent of new, young players probably will avoid buying them.

But yeah, I expected models to still be expensive. Was hoping they'd at least lower the prices (while still expecting them to be overpriced), but does not appear that way.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
It's probably true that the $50 box of Sigmarines will have lots of different unit options contained within.

But if I do not have any wish to field archers, I would rather have a separate $30 box of guys with hammers, and a $30 box of guys with bows. Then for a little more you can have twice as much, or for almost half, you don't have dross you paid for but don't want.

I want to say that GW doesn't seem to see how the lower prices would sell like hotcakes (something a fledgling system needs to get off it's feet), but then the pessimist in me says, "No stupid, they know that. They just know that after years of indoctrination, that the higher prices will sell like hotcakes too".

The $50 box that went up for preorder yesterday builds JUST the Liberators and their options.

That means:
Dual Warhammers or dual Warblades.
Warhammers and Shields or Warblades and shields.
One in every 5 models can be given a Grandblade or a Grandhammer.

The Judicators(the archers) build two different types:
Judicators with Skybolt Bows or Judicators with Boltstorm Crossbows.
One in every 5 models can be given a Shockbolt Bow or Thunderbolt Crossbow.

I don't know if Judicators will be cheaper(I'm kind of hoping--but not expecting), but you don't really NEED the Liberators box unless you want paired weapons, Warblades or the Grand weapons. The Grand weapons have a Rend -1 and do 2 Damage rather than 1 and paired weapons allow you to re-roll Hit rolls of 1.

mch21689 wrote:
I thought the point of AoS was to "lower" the introduction price and attract a new consumer base. $33 for a small metal template is ridiculous. The dice shakers have enough flair and craftsmanship + dice to maybe warrant if your a hardcore fan, but even then its just a painted resin cup for $40.
Not to mention the model prices...AoS box decent bargain....5 stormcast eternals for $50 bucks not. AoS just sxreams of the biggest cash grab ever, lets not even mention the $27 army spay.

Oh because you need the dice shakers and measurement tool to play...... Oh wait no you don't. They are collectors pieces. Nothing to do with lowering prices.

As for the liberators standard price for five models, not forgetting they are larger than terminators who are the same price.

Ah the spray pain ill give you that one. Its expensive but again you don't need to buy it do you

 Accolade wrote:
Expect higher prices for all future WH-AOS releases. Requiring less models for a game means GW can jack the prices of all future life up higher.

And the people will cheer.

Higher prices you say? Then I will stay away. Just like how I bought the box set for Fantasy (Skull Pass I think, 7th edition) and nothing else because of high prices, same will go for Age of Sigmar. Haven't even opened up my box yet, after I bought it and ready to quit Age of Sigmar after seeing the tool measure thingy. (what is it called, range gauge?)

If this is what Age of Sigmar prices going to be, looks like I will be by-passing it just like I did with Fantasy.

You don't have to buy the overpriced crap.

Spur it as you would spurn a rabid dog.

That doesn't mean the rest of the game is not worth its purchase price.

 Motograter wrote:

mch21689 wrote:
I thought the point of AoS was to "lower" the introduction price and attract a new consumer base. $33 for a small metal template is ridiculous. The dice shakers have enough flair and craftsmanship + dice to maybe warrant if your a hardcore fan, but even then its just a painted resin cup for $40.
Not to mention the model prices...AoS box decent bargain....5 stormcast eternals for $50 bucks not. AoS just sxreams of the biggest cash grab ever, lets not even mention the $27 army spay.

Oh because you need the dice shakers and measurement tool to play...... Oh wait no you don't. They are collectors pieces. Nothing to do with lowering prices.

As for the liberators standard price for five models, not forgetting they are larger than terminators who are the same price.

Ah the spray pain ill give you that one. Its expensive but again you don't need to buy it do you

The problem with this argument, is while you are right about my need to purchase it, you forget GW is a publicly traded company with a need to derive profits. So when your resin diceshakers, and $30 army sprays don't sell well enough to even recoup their cost (which is hard to imagine given the production cost of one measuring template vs $33 pricetag) then GW has to find those profits in stuff that will sell because it IS necessary to play the game. Yes the stormcast eternals are as "big" as terminators, but for a box that includes 5 core troop models and a few weapon options, it is a huge entry barrier. So you buy the AoS box and get a small skirmish force going, but to expand it by 5 models your basically paying what you did for your armies entire half of AoS. Why? So you can have a few more weapon choices?

Age of Sigmar just screams cash grab. It is a 4 month break from 40k to let people's wallets recover, while they fleece as many WHFB who aren't jumping to KoW, new players, and curious WHM players. The starter box is a great deal with great minis, that drops you off a cliff into the most overpriced and underwhelming load of gak ever. Maybe this first campaign box will be another great deal and keep spurring sales, but how is AoS really different from a board game at that point? When everyone just has small starter armies of every faction tailored to play specific scenarios? Because to stray from that path is to pay $50+ just to add/expand one core unit...and enter the realm of no definitive balance for list building as well.

"The problem with this argument"

was not an argument, statement of fact

is while you are right about my need to purchase it, you forget GW is a publicly traded company with a need to derive profits. So when your resin diceshakers, and $30 army sprays don't sell well enough to even recoup their cost

depends on how many they made... they could have produced enough for beginner players and I know 2 people who already bought it, their excuse "I have the money why the hell not"

(which is hard to imagine given the production cost of one measuring template vs $33 pricetag) then GW has to find those profits in stuff that will sell because it IS necessary to play the game.

gw sell a lot of things that are not necessary for play, your argument is moot because of that... unless we know they production and supply levels everything we state is based on nothing but fact-less statements

Yes the stormcast eternals are as "big" as terminators, but for a box that includes 5 core troop models and a few weapon options, it is a huge entry barrier.

that is why you get the starter box :/ which for the price itself is pretty good starter and you can combine both chaos and sigmarines into one large force... either way its not a barrier, its a game made by GW, they can give whatever price they want... by the way, I got the starter box and if its anything to go by the quality of their products is amazing, I have not found a single mold line or defects and everything fits PERFECTLY...

So you buy the AoS box and get a small skirmish force going, but to expand it by 5 models your basically paying what you did for your armies entire half of AoS. Why? So you can have a few more weapon choices?

yes... or wait for larger box sets to come out that will be discounted or buy other factions that will be cheaper (or not depends on what they are) and mix and match, its like saying "I want a cheap terminator army"... good luck with that.

Age of Sigmar just screams cash grab

to little girly man maybe.

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It is a 4 month break from 40k to let people's wallets recover, while they fleece as many WHFB who aren't jumping to KoW, new players, and curious WHM players.

or maybe you are just dirt poor for this hobby? try solitaire maybe (I only say that because you more or less said I am being fleeced, I am not, I made a choice and buying stuff because I enjoy it, no one is fleecing anyone, its a choice, make it)

The starter box is a great deal with great minis, that drops you off a cliff into the most overpriced and underwhelming load of gak ever.

how long has it been since the game was released? how do we know any of their long term plans, mybe they will release more boxes with scenarios and "dirt" cheap minis and that is where their profits will come...

Maybe this first campaign box will be another great deal and keep spurring sales, but how is AoS really different from a board game at that point?

its actually better that way as you can build 2 armies at the same time and get a nifty story going and more scenarios

When everyone just has small starter armies of every faction tailored to play specific scenarios? Because to stray from that path is to pay $50+ just to add/expand one core unit...and enter the realm of no definitive balance for list building as well.

so combine those armies and make your own scenarios or SLOWLY with your own cash build upon it... you are paying for quality not quantity.

i

GW "dropping" WHFB.
GW experimenting with a new rule set / game.
No reduction in "normal" premium cost items.
All equals rage.
Hard choice, if good baby steps: hate to discourage development by not buying.
If not agreeable enough, no reservation in buying elsewhere.
Good luck on the decision.