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Are 4 in a TAC list too much?

I have what seems like plenty of anti tank and anti air. Also a nice amount of anti infantry.

You're in the Guard son - you can never have too much.

depends on your meta, a squadron of 3 will give anyone a headache haha

I planned on running two squads of 2

2 squads of two seems about right - at about 1500 points. Then you can take some command russ and another unit of russ - plenty of heavies still.

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 Gangrel767 wrote:
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Why do you say this?

I guess it depends on what's in the rest of your list. I only run one in my Nova list - provides a nice 48" bubble until the deep strikers show up and then the bubble disappears very quickly regardless of how many wyverns I have. Or there aren't that many soft targets to begin with - lots of 2+ and armor out there these days

I mean putting 20 wounds on terminaters is still fine.

Foot terminators are not exactly a threat anyway.

Was an example of how volume of wounds trumps ap value vs infantry.

How fast can you resolve their fire? TL multiple barrages, in the wrong hands, slow down the game. Moving templates, counting hits, allocating wounds, etc. If you can do all that in a swift, efficient manner, 4 does not sound bad. If you can’t, just take one. It should still blow chunks out of what you need, and won’t slog down the game.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Gangrel767 wrote:
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Why do you say this?

It's a joke.

Honestly, in an 1850 I think that a unit of 2, or 2 units of 1 would be perfect.

Anything more than that is overkill.

 Nevelon wrote:
How fast can you resolve their fire? TL multiple barrages, in the wrong hands, slow down the game. Moving templates, counting hits, allocating wounds, etc. If you can do all that in a swift, efficient manner, 4 does not sound bad. If you can’t, just take one. It should still blow chunks out of what you need, and won’t slog down the game.

have a calculator nearby

Two units of two sounds great!

Two units of two against orks or 'nids sounds evil!

Two units of two in general is a healthy number around the 1,500 + pt. limit to me.

 Nevelon wrote:
How fast can you resolve their fire? TL multiple barrages, in the wrong hands, slow down the game. Moving templates, counting hits, allocating wounds, etc. If you can do all that in a swift, efficient manner, 4 does not sound bad. If you can’t, just take one. It should still blow chunks out of what you need, and won’t slog down the game.

I run a squad of two and it's very easy to wrap up their shooting. If it's taking a long time, then the player is probably not following the rules for multiple barrages correctly.

For a squad of two Wyvern:

1. Place blast marker (measuring from closest firing model) and roll scatter. Re-roll if desired (twin-linked). Count hits and note final placement.
2. Roll a scatter die for each of the 7 remaining shots (if you have 7 scatter dice, roll 'em all!).
2a. If you get a hit, place a second marker touching (overlapping as little or as much as desired) to cover as many models as possible. Count hits.
2b. If you get a scatter, place the second marker "base to base" with the first in the direction of the scatter. Re-roll if desired (twin-linked). Count hits.
3. Roll to wound. Re-roll failed wounds (shred).
4. Opponent rolls saves (no Cover Saves).

Even with a squadron of 3, it's pretty quick. Especially if you roll a lot of hits.

My technique is to place the initial marker and say "that will get 4 if I roll a hit" then roll the scatter. If it still scatters (after the re-roll) then I'll determine the new number of hits. Then I place a second marker over the first and say "I can get 5 with further 'hit' rolls." If those subsequent shots scatter (after the re-rolls) then I'll determine those hits separately. Because it's pretty likely to get a hit, you can save time by having a 'baseline' for your calculations. The errant scatters (if you're lucky) will be few, so you'll only have to determine the placement of a marker a couple of times out of the 8-12 shots.

Hope that helps!

DoW

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
How fast can you resolve their fire? TL multiple barrages, in the wrong hands, slow down the game. Moving templates, counting hits, allocating wounds, etc. If you can do all that in a swift, efficient manner, 4 does not sound bad. If you can’t, just take one. It should still blow chunks out of what you need, and won’t slog down the game.

have a calculator nearby

I wonder what people will say when I roll out 6 thunderfire cannons and a typhon?

Oh and the answer to your question is already answered in the rules. That would be more than 3 units, unless you take an allied unit so you could have 4 units. The number is 13, yes 13.

You can never have too many Wyvern's. But to be honest it's all about how much you want you're opponent to hate you 4 is about the limit i would put myself too.

 DogOfWar wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
How fast can you resolve their fire? TL multiple barrages, in the wrong hands, slow down the game. Moving templates, counting hits, allocating wounds, etc. If you can do all that in a swift, efficient manner, 4 does not sound bad. If you can’t, just take one. It should still blow chunks out of what you need, and won’t slog down the game.

I run a squad of two and it's very easy to wrap up their shooting. If it's taking a long time, then the player is probably not following the rules for multiple barrages correctly.

For a squad of two Wyvern:

1. Place blast marker (measuring from closest firing model) and roll scatter. Re-roll if desired (twin-linked). Count hits and note final placement.
2. Roll a scatter die for each of the 7 remaining shots (if you have 7 scatter dice, roll 'em all!).
2a. If you get a hit, place a second marker touching (overlapping as little or as much as desired) to cover as many models as possible. Count hits.
2b. If you get a scatter, place the second marker "base to base" with the first in the direction of the scatter. Re-roll if desired (twin-linked). Count hits.
3. Roll to wound. Re-roll failed wounds (shred).
4. Opponent rolls saves (no Cover Saves).

Even with a squadron of 3, it's pretty quick. Especially if you roll a lot of hits.

My technique is to place the initial marker and say "that will get 4 if I roll a hit" then roll the scatter. If it still scatters (after the re-roll) then I'll determine the new number of hits. Then I place a second marker over the first and say "I can get 5 with further 'hit' rolls." If those subsequent shots scatter (after the re-rolls) then I'll determine those hits separately. Because it's pretty likely to get a hit, you can save time by having a 'baseline' for your calculations. The errant scatters (if you're lucky) will be few, so you'll only have to determine the placement of a marker a couple of times out of the 8-12 shots.

Hope that helps!

DoW

quicker than my way. I'll be playing like this from now on, thanks.

Against some armies it's entirely possible to bring more wyverns than the opponent brings infantry squads. That might be a good place to start bringing less of them.