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 Ghazkuul wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
30 round magazines are the STANDARD size for many military styled weapons, including the AR and AK series. So of course they are easy to come by.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

I thought High Capacity magazines had been banned recently. I could be wrong

Only in some states:

California
Colorado
Connecticut
Hawaii
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York

Makes sense then. Granted I still have a bunch of Magpul magazines from my deployment sitting in a box in my garage somewhere.

 CptJake wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
30 round magazines are the STANDARD size for many military styled weapons, including the AR and AK series. So of course they are easy to come by.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

I thought High Capacity magazines had been banned recently. I could be wrong

Only in some states:

California
Colorado
Connecticut
Hawaii
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York

I thought Colorado didn't pass theirs due to Magpul threatening to pull out?

No it got passed, then there was the big recall of the legislators. Iirc anyway.

 Grey Templar wrote:
No it got passed, then there was the big recall of the legislators. Iirc anyway.

The state Rs tried to get the bill repealed, the Ds blocked it so the law still stands. Many of the county sheriffs are suing over the law (they don't like it) but I am not sure of the status of those lawsuits.

As far as I know, MAGPUL did start their move.

 CptJake wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
No it got passed, then there was the big recall of the legislators. Iirc anyway.

The state Rs tried to get the bill repealed, the Ds blocked it so the law still stands. Many of the county sheriffs are suing over the law (they don't like it) but I am not sure of the status of those lawsuits.

As far as I know, MAGPUL did start their move.

Magpul moved their manufacturing to Cheyenne Wyoming and that facility is already up and running now. They relocated their corporate headquarters to Austin Texas and I believe they completed that move too. Their Colorado facility was closed about a year ago IIRC.

 Jihadin wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 CptJake wrote:


Because troops cannot currently carry any non-issue weapons while in uniform or while performing official duties. Doing so on a 'federal facility' will get them is a world of trouble.

I would LOVE if the feds changed the rules on concealed carry. I HATE the fact that my wife may be the last one in her building at 22:00 at night (when she left her office last night) and has to go across dark parking lots and cannot legally even carry a stun gun or pepper spray.

But laws is laws...

Ahh,okay. Makes sense.

What's the standard issue sidearm in the military these days? Is it the M9?

For some reason I was under the impression that when it came to sidearms, you were allowed to choose which you carry. Sounds like that's totally off base.

9mm Beretta
USMC are being issued the new version of a .45

The .45 is only being issued in small numbers to high speed units like recon and MARSOC. The M9 is still by far the most common sidearm and will likely remain so for the foreseeable future. That said, the "problems" with the M9 are primarily due to being restricted to the use of FMJ ball ammo only. If, like CptJake mentioned, they begin allowing modern defensive ammo (like JHP or ballistic-tipped JHP) the vast majority of the M9's issues would be resolved.

 Hordini wrote:
If, like CptJake mentioned, they begin allowing modern defensive ammo (like JHP or ballistic-tipped JHP) the vast majority of the M9's issues would be resolved.

Here is one of many articles discussing the Modular Handgun System (MHS) and the use of hollowpoints: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/07/17/us-army-wants-hollow-point-ammo-for-new-pistol-not-for-the-m9.html

 CptJake wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
No it got passed, then there was the big recall of the legislators. Iirc anyway.

The state Rs tried to get the bill repealed, the Ds blocked it so the law still stands. Many of the county sheriffs are suing over the law (they don't like it) but I am not sure of the status of those lawsuits.

As far as I know, MAGPUL did start their move.

Didn't some of the counties say they would secede and join another state or sometjing like that?

I recommend the 9mm as the appropiate weapon to use against Camelspiders

I live in Athens, TN and go to the mall up there to get minis.
Can't believe it happened in my backyard.

 Jihadin wrote:
I recommend the 9mm as the appropiate weapon to use against Camelspiders

I thought nothing short of a Grenade was acceptable for those.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I recommend the 9mm as the appropiate weapon to use against Camelspiders

I thought nothing short of a Grenade was acceptable for those.

Ive heard rumors... unsubstantiated of course, that we may or may not have used a main gun round on a nest of camel spiders

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
I recommend the 9mm as the appropiate weapon to use against Camelspiders

I thought nothing short of a Grenade was acceptable for those.

Ive heard rumors... unsubstantiated of course, that we may or may not have used a main gun round on a nest of camel spiders

That would be that SPIDER in the ceiling Corner from Australia saying "My Precious My Precious" looking at you with hungry eye's

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Fox News
Seems he had quite a bit of Arsenal
News Briefing mention a AK..........rapid trigger squeeze more likely
Plus some assorted shotguns


Local officials there are basically calling it Terrorism Investigation

My buddy purchased a Czech copy of an AK-47. It was Semi and had a tendency to jam believe it or not. Also the recoil from the weapon caused his After market red dot site to constantly break and misalign. So having a semi-automatic AK-47 is completely believable. I wonder where you could get a fully automatic one.

If it was a Czech rifle it would not have been an AK, but a Vz.58, which looks *really* similar externally, but internally functions very differently and shares no parts commonality at all with an AK, not even magazines.

Automatic AK's are obtainable in the US, but for a legally obtained one they're federally registered machine guns, and as such supply is limited to whatever was on the civilian market before May 1986, and are typically $15-30k purchases along with months of paperwork. It's possible to convert semi-auto to automatic with a machine shop and some parts, but that's also rewarded with a dime or two in a federal quest house if uncovered.

As far as 30 round magazines. They are incredibly easy to come by or to manufacture yourself if you know how.

Hell, the Cabella's down the freeway from me has them in great big bargain bins for $10/each on AR mags

so another lone wolf attack is the general consensus on what this was then right?

 easysauce wrote:
so another lone wolf attack is the general consensus on what this was then right?

AFAIK, it is a lone wolf type thing, but, if the claims by ISIS are correct, he was acting on their behalf

I'm going to say inspire to act for ISIS
I'm not going to say action taken by guidance from ISIS yet

Let those who are investigating his social media and trip overseas (last year I think to Jordan and possible to Yemen to) to connect the dot

The overseas travel is an indicator, but without more it is just that.

Having said that, 'inspired by' DaIsh at a minimum would be my bet. The reality is we see DaIsh and similar groups putting out calls for action and there is a loose network of online entities that help push radicalization and connect possible recruits with enablers (even if the enablers are just more personalized radicalizing elements). They don't necessarily need nor want to infiltrate actual fighters from Syria or Iraq or wherever. That is costly and requires a more intense support structure. They are very happy making contact with gak bags like this kid and adept at pushing the right buttons to move the kid towards action.

There is also a set of kids who will just inhabit the fringes of the movement and absorb the info and self radicalize without the personal attention. This is the group we'll commonly call 'lone wolves' (even when they build small cells) because the ties to actual DaIsh or similar elements will be much less concrete though the ideology will have been accepted. Self starters who often turn some other grievance into a motivator that they then assign radical Islam as the solution.

Wonder if the wounded will receive Purple Hearts if so then we're on the doorstep of something new

Not to interrupt this wonderful discussion of magazines, but has anybody heard of a motive yet? I was listening to the radio earlier, and they were saying that the fbi had no evidence that it was Islamist terrorism, and was actually quite different from the other known cases (no grievances on social media against the US, nothing claiming responsibility ).

Edit wow, I'm blind apparently

 Jihadin wrote:
I'm going to say inspire to act for ISIS
I'm not going to say action taken by guidance from ISIS yet

Let those who are investigating his social media and trip overseas (last year I think to Jordan and possible to Yemen to) to connect the dot

As I said earlier, it's been reported that ISIS has claimed that he was one of theirs. Ultimately, like you I'm going to be waiting to see how true or not that claim is.

 Jihadin wrote:
1st Sgt carried a SAW instead of his 9mm because he hated that weapon himself

Because SAWs are pure sex. Unless you try to use the magazine well, then SAWs are pure suck.

 Bromsy wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
1st Sgt carried a SAW instead of his 9mm because he hated that weapon himself

Because SAWs are pure sex. Unless you try to use the magazine well, then SAWs are pure suck.

The officers in my old company used to ask me why they were issued a 9mm. I always answered with a serious face, "so you can shoot yourself after the rest of us are killed," they usually believed me lol.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Fox News
Seems he had quite a bit of Arsenal
News Briefing mention a AK..........rapid trigger squeeze more likely
Plus some assorted shotguns


Local officials there are basically calling it Terrorism Investigation

My buddy purchased a Czech copy of an AK-47. It was Semi and had a tendency to jam believe it or not. Also the recoil from the weapon caused his After market red dot site to constantly break and misalign. So having a semi-automatic AK-47 is completely believable. I wonder where you could get a fully automatic one.

If it was a Czech rifle it would not have been an AK, but a Vz.58, which looks *really* similar externally, but internally functions very differently and shares no parts commonality at all with an AK, not even magazines.

Automatic AK's are obtainable in the US, but for a legally obtained one they're federally registered machine guns, and as such supply is limited to whatever was on the civilian market before May 1986, and are typically $15-30k purchases along with months of paperwork. It's possible to convert semi-auto to automatic with a machine shop and some parts, but that's also rewarded with a dime or two in a federal quest house if uncovered.

As far as 30 round magazines. They are incredibly easy to come by or to manufacture yourself if you know how.

Hell, the Cabella's down the freeway from me has them in great big bargain bins for $10/each on AR mags

You can buy AK parts kits that include everything, including the full auto trigger group, and the receiver with the 3 axis holes for safe, semi, and auto fire (I got one by accident, amazing how the internet works). This is in itself illegal to own without the class 3 paperwork, but there's no way to trace it to you unless you are caught with it or you live in a state that registers long arms. They also cost about $400.

Another Marine passed away from his injuries. Total dead service members now stands at 5.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Another Marine passed away from his injuries. Total dead service members now stands at 5.

I thought the 5th guy was Navy?

Also the SAW M249 is a POS. I would take a 240 any day of the week over that thing. I think i maybe got 100 maybe 120 rounds out of that before it would jam and it would only get worse after the first jam. And dont say PME because it was in perfect condition.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
I thought the 5th guy was Navy?

It appears you are correct, the source I got the news from reported it as a Marine initially

 Ghazkuul wrote:
I thought the 5th guy was Navy?

Every time I've ever encountered marines, he has been.

 Bromsy wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
1st Sgt carried a SAW instead of his 9mm because he hated that weapon himself

Because SAWs are pure sex. Unless you try to use the magazine well, then SAWs are pure suck.

As a former SAW gunner, I can attest to that. It's better to switch to your side arm (if you have one) than to use mags in the SAW.
But Military personnel should be allowed to be armed at all times.

Edit: And civilians too!