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I would bet that Knight armies will end up ranking highly as well, especially things like Knights + Libby Conclave or similar. Especially with how strong the newer variants are, such as the Crusader, Castigator, and the Atrapos.

Requizen wrote:
I would bet that Knight armies will end up ranking highly as well, especially things like Knights + Libby Conclave or similar. Especially with how strong the newer variants are, such as the Crusader, Castigator, and the Atrapos.

I'm putting the finishing touches on my army of 5 Knights right now, but as much as I love playing them (and will be playing them in Vegas), I don't think they have the tools to truly compete in Frontline events due to the additional victory points for hull points lost. Also, the strength of the Conclave in lists like Superfriends doesn't translate to Knights very well, since you can't buff both the Knight and your Conclave, leaving one of them undefended. The Knight list that I expect to see do well in Vegas is the CSM army of Bel'akor, Fateweaver, D-Thirster, Tzeentch Knight, etc. You have the tools to give your Knight (or Thirster) a 2++ save, invisibility, or both, and can summon to claim objectives. Definitely an effective combo.

 somerandomidiot wrote:

Requizen wrote:
I would bet that Knight armies will end up ranking highly as well, especially things like Knights + Libby Conclave or similar. Especially with how strong the newer variants are, such as the Crusader, Castigator, and the Atrapos.

I'm putting the finishing touches on my army of 5 Knights right now, but as much as I love playing them (and will be playing them in Vegas), I don't think they have the tools to truly compete in Frontline events due to the additional victory points for hull points lost. Also, the strength of the Conclave in lists like Superfriends doesn't translate to Knights very well, since you can't buff both the Knight and your Conclave, leaving one of them undefended. The Knight list that I expect to see do well in Vegas is the CSM army of Bel'akor, Fateweaver, D-Thirster, Tzeentch Knight, etc. You have the tools to give your Knight (or Thirster) a 2++ save, invisibility, or both, and can summon to claim objectives. Definitely an effective combo.

Truly a pretty scary list. Wish more events allowed Chaos Knights, they're awesome and I'd love to run mine more often.

My bet is either Eldar or Spacies for first place, with Tau and War Convocation not far behind. I also wouldn't be surprised at seeing an Ork in the top8 with their new Stompa toy.

taudar, marines, eldar, KDK, guard

 Tinkrr wrote:
My bet is either Eldar or Spacies for first place, with Tau and War Convocation not far behind. I also wouldn't be surprised at seeing an Ork in the top8 with their new Stompa toy.

Forgot about big Mek stompas... Definitely a possible to sneak into the top 8 with a zhardsnark bike swarm.

I don't see Cronz doing anything major.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I don't see Cronz doing anything major.

I'm with you on this, Cronz are super resilient but as a whole they don't really do what you want them to.

that being said, who knows, maybe someone will surprise us by bringing a heavy engage list that then has units to camp objectives. As in, they just use the bulk of their army to tie up things while using a small dedicate force to soak objectives and more.

I did a bit of analysis based on the Torrent of Fire data, and the expected meta (ie Nash equilibrium)would be

Eldar 55%
Imp Knights 10%
Necrons 35%

So my money is on Eldar. As the spine on the 1999 codex says - "Their arrogance is only matched by their firepower."

I bet on players, not armies, personally!

And, as we're in Vegas, you all can actually do just that!

I doubt IK can pull it off. There are too many solid counters.

Reece, do you have a ruling on Ravenwing rule and Characters? As in do they gain the ravenwing rule when put on a bike?

Oddly enough GW actually released a faq on that rule. No need for a ruling.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Dark_Angels_v1.0_Dec15.pdf

Gungo beat me to it!

Money is on SM winning this

Gotta say, never been this excited to lose horribly at an event before

 Reecius wrote:
I bet on players, not armies, personally!

And, as we're in Vegas, you all can actually do just that!

A guy named Allan, Nick or Alan. Or Casey, and I don't mean Casey Dunn, nice guy that he is.

I'm voting for Ncontrol Robinson, I always enjoyed battle reports with him as he seems to really be willing to call games and play more to get as much practice in as he can. There's something to be said about testing that much.

Would be nice to see someone new win it this year.

It's going to be so exciting to see who wins it! There are a lot of very good players all poised to take the entire ITC, but PJ Pants has a commanding lead this year, he's out in front by a significant portion. To win the ITC really, he just needs to make the final 8 and then hope a 3 score player doesn't come and eat his lunch!

But the ITC this year is his to lose, he's in the lead. So many good players coming, going to be awesome to see how it all shakes down!

Aw, no love for either of the two previous LVO winners to win it again

I'm betting that an East coast player wins LVO, to make it three in a row

I'm gona go with either an Alex or a Sean to win it. I mean no one else has so might as well go with the averages.

And to get more specific I think someone from Connecticut will win it again for the third year in a row. Hopefully Reece has figured out how to ship that trophy.

Should be an awesome event again. Really excited!

Lol, if a Connecticut player wins it again we may have to send it out to the state to hang out for the year, lol!

I'm pulling for a west coast victor !!!

East Coast is best coast, now bring the ITC to the actual East Coast not the imposter we call Connecticut.

Also can I change my vote to Reece and Franz-Swiss winning the ITC since clearly the rumours state that they make all the rules to benefit their own armies.

@Dozer

It's be nice if that hapenned for a change of pace as much as anything else, lol1

@Tinkrr

Duh! We always, obviously bend the rules to our favor so that we can win our own events that we don't play in! Makes perfect sense, haha =P

Someone English is winning it

Haha, that would be awesome! But, the Australians are coming in hot, too! Gonna be a tough battle.

 Reecius wrote:

@Tinkrr

Duh! We always, obviously bend the rules to our favor so that we can win our own events that we don't play in! Makes perfect sense, haha =P

Well duh! Why else would you ever buff Tau if it wasn't for Frank-n-Beans picking it up at the same time, pretty suspicious if you ask me.

You even change the dates on your events just so you're the only two that show up and win all the prizes.

Oh! And don't even get me started on your discounts, I bet you are secretly convincing GW to boost their prices just so you can pretend to give a discount and corner the market.

Illuminate Reece confirmed!

Someone English is winning it

Someone English already did

@Alex

Hey, hey, you can't claim Connecticut AND England!

@Tinkrr

I know right, the prize support we win that we paid for....lol!