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Well...the entire game can be seen here:

http://www.twitch.tv/frontlinegaming_tv/v/40913092

But if I wanted to parse the time...the entire clip is 2:46 min long. I do not know exactly when the broadcast started in real time. If anyone knows for sure, please feel free to let us know.

They're both at the table at the 10ish minute mark, though none of the models appear to be deployed.

Pablo interviews both players starting around the 20 minute mark. The interview lasts until the 23:40 mark, which at that point I believe they start deploying.

The game appears to start somewhere between the 40 or 42 minute mark.

The commentator interviewed them between round 1 and 2 (a little after 1:19). It took almost exactly 1 mintue.

They are told there is only 1 hour left to play at 1:21. At this point, they'd only been at the table for 40ish minutes. If their game was supposed to be two and half hours long, they've somehow lost 50 minutes of play time prior to deploying.

A little after 2:14, Nick concedes. I was watching the stream live...I believe they would have only had around 15 mintues of time left to play at that point if they weren't awarded any extra time.

There actual game playing time, in total, was around 94 or so minutes. Like I just mentioned, they could have played another 15ish minutes if Nick thought it would matter, but the writing was pretty much on the wall if he wasn't going to get multiple turns to claw his way back into the game.

So...the 50 lost minutes. They spent 10 minutes or so at the table before Pablo's interview talking and rolling dice...I assume doing the pregame roll offs and placing objectives. Pablo's interview only lasts around 3 and a half minutes. Soooooo...there's around 37 or so minutes that's unaccounted for prior to the game. It was said that setting up the game for live streaming took some time, but it's unclear how much. I HEARD somewhere (maybe twitch chat) that they were both late to the game hanging out in the bar, but it may have only been a few minutes and is pure speculation at this point.

Either way, I've spent way more time that I would have thought doing this, which is sad on a lot of levels, so I'm just going to stop now....just sad all around.

@Voidwraith: thanks for parsing that out.

The 15 minute concession is important because it's not that he's conceding the game is unwinnable, but that in a 15 minute turn 3, going second, he wouldn't be able to finish his play. His list, combined with how he deployed, really hits its stride turn 3 and 4. As someone who has seen him play and how the list works, he was still in good shape to pretty much take over turn 4.

If someone was really dedicated, they could time active player time and see how little time Nick really got. As I mentioned earlier, his turn 2 was somewhat long, but a LOT of that was interceptor and overwatch. I actually took a shower after overwatch began, and came back to Israel still firing overwatch.

Not going to say there was intentional slow play, but just I totally understand Nick's frustration because he barely got to play. In hindsight, he should have been more active in getting Israel to move faster, but with missing 40 minutes or so of game play in already short rounds, it would be tough.

How was the Dark angel Libby Conclave summoning in the first game with Nayden?

I thought conclave couldn't do so in ITC?

Seriously? the interviewers took 50 minutes? that sucks for nick...

having watched how long the interceptor phase took... I'm not so sure we can call nick as delaying the game... anyone want to time how long he is actually moving models of his own?

Nick really made that game unenjoyable to watch as he was constantly rushing his opponent. The only thing worse than that is watching Reece complain when he gets wrecked in a game.

DooDoo wrote:
Nick really made that game unenjoyable to watch as he was constantly rushing his opponent. The only thing worse than that is watching Reece complain when he gets wrecked in a game.

lol, he should have more, they only played 2 turns! That was what made it unenjoyable, I wanted to see how that game actually would play out.


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 FTGTEvan wrote:

DooDoo wrote:
Nick really made that game unenjoyable to watch as he was constantly rushing his opponent. The only thing worse than that is watching Reece complain when he gets wrecked in a game.

lol, he should have more, they only played 2 turns! That was what made it unenjoyable, I wanted to see how that game actually would play out.


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he totally should have... ending on 2 because of time is a travesty for a "top tier" event... and because of the interviewers to boot... Should have let them play through dinner.

Issue is, there wasn't a break before the next round (other than a few minutes) so there was no meal to cut into.

DooDoo wrote:
Nick really made that game unenjoyable to watch as he was constantly rushing his opponent. The only thing worse than that is watching Reece complain when he gets wrecked in a game.

I feel bad for Nick. Two turns is just not right. Interceptor and Overwatch should easily be quickly resolved. I don't blame Nick at all.


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 FTGTEvan wrote:


As a side note, I've been tracking the round by round results and putting them in a spreadsheet with updating Leaderboard, for anyone interested: http://ftgtgaming.blogspot.com/2016/02/lvo-updates.html

Thanks Evan !

Thanks Evan! Any chance of getting armies? Or at least, any Necrons high up there?

So far today has been pretty fun to watch, I'm not happy they had two Spice Marines vs. War Convocation in a row, but InControl and the other guy (sorry don't know his name) made it really enjoyable. My favourite line from that was "Oh, it's free? I'm all about the free, man." Both players seemed like really awesome people, which was a contrast to the previous game, where one player seemed to be a little more pedantic, but he did play fairly towards his opponent when needed (Letting them take something back as they were allowed to take something back), but there were a lot more rules conflicts it looked like. Also, the bright blazer guy is a hero.

What's your favourite moments from today so far?

Requizen wrote:
Thanks Evan! Any chance of getting armies? Or at least, any Necrons high up there?

I can't get them - they're not listing them for everyone. I believe Jonathan Camacho is running a Necron list on Table 7

 FTGTEvan wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Thanks Evan! Any chance of getting armies? Or at least, any Necrons high up there?

I can't get them - they're not listing them for everyone. I believe Jonathan Camacho is running a Necron list on Table 7

Can't we at least figure out the top 10 at any given time based on word of mouth and stream appearances?

For example, I'm pretty sure Steven Sisk is running Battle Company if I'm not mistaken, as he was on stream earlier and currently number one.

Edit: https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016/02/06/lvo-day-2-live-coverage/ (top 16 tables I think this might be you who posted it so great job if it was D: )

My top 10:

1. Steven Sisk (6057) - White Scars Battle Co
2. Alex Harrison (5561) - Eldar
3. Alan Bajramovic (5560) - Daemons
4. Sean Nayden (5555) - Eldar + Aspect Host + Corpsethief
4. Alexander Fennell (5555) - Necrons
6. Brad Chester (5552) - Eldar
7. Jonathan Camacho (5059) - Necrons (with an Obelisk and Monolith....)
8. Aaron Aleong (5054) - Thunderwolf?
8. Michael Snider (5054) - Necrons
8. Tyler Devries (5054) Eldar/DE

No idea how they break the tie for 8th. If it goes Win path it'll be Michael * Ed.: Aaron was announced as #8

Two Necrons in top 8 is really surprising to me. I mean, I play Necrons and honestly I usually don't feel that they're in a hanging spot with all the crazy stuff that's out there like WKs and Superfriends.

And no Tau! Really, I wonder if there was just a lower number of them or just no good Tau players, I figured at least one.

The rest is pretty expected. Lots of Eldar, Alan with the Daemons, Space Marines rocking the rest.

There were two Tau players in the last round competing for top 8 (Table 3 and 4), one playing a double Stormsurge + Riptide Wing list, and one playing FSE with Ghostkeels and some Eldar, the both lost their games to Demons and Necrons.

So as a whole Tau fought to the end but ultimately came just short of top 8. The interesting thing is almost all the losing players in that round were beaten 11-1/2, weird.

That list with 45 Warp Spiders... *shudder*

The WK is broken, but it's broken in a points kinda way. Warp Spiders are just so bloody good from a design standpoint that they just scare me on principle. Mobility, shooting, Hit and Run, Deep Strike possiblity... I'm not surprised people ran that stupid ass list and got away with it.

http://challonge.com/LVO2016

For those that follow the 40K, make your predictions here ( No real prize besides fame, eternal glory and bragging rights )

I'm going with Pajama Pants, his demon list is actually pretty cool. I'd prefer that Space Marines didn't win, just because I don't know, reasons.

Alan's won a lot with that Daemon list with before, it's extremely brutal if he gets the BT buffs going and then summons behind it. Invisible, Endurance, Grim, etc D-Thirster will run roughshod through basically anything on the table.

I played against him with it once and managed to tie up the 'Thirster, but by the end it went through a full Lychstar and 6 Wraiths and didn't die. I dunno how you actually win against it without some serious luck.

I played Jonathan Camacho round 5, and that guy is awesome. Definitely a quality player, but he's also a great opponent (and he's using all of the stuff normal Necron players ignore, like the Monolith, the Obelisk, Triarch Praetorians, Deathmarks, and a Triarch Stalker). Can't speak well enough of him, I hope he does well tomorrow.

Praets are definately undervalued, and the Obelisk to some extent too. I think the Stalker is pretty bad overall, it almost always gives up FB when I use it.

How did he play against you? Mostly null deploy and then use the Obelisk/Monolith formation to bring everything in? Did he deep strike the Praets or just run them?

I'm happy to see that some unique things are out an about in the top 8, as was said things like the Monolith are rather rare these days.

Requizen wrote:
Alan's won a lot with that Daemon list with before, it's extremely brutal if he gets the BT buffs going and then summons behind it. Invisible, Endurance, Grim, etc D-Thirster will run roughshod through basically anything on the table.

I played against him with it once and managed to tie up the 'Thirster, but by the end it went through a full Lychstar and 6 Wraiths and didn't die. I dunno how you actually win against it without some serious luck.

Sorry, I'm not super familiar with demons but don't Fate Weaver and Belakor fly? More so, does a disc do the same or is it something else?

One thing I noticed about a lot of the Tau, is that unlike they Nova Open list that came in second, the ones I saw weren't running Skyrays or Remoras, which I feel like is rather strange, since some would run CADs with things like Tetras on top of their double Mark'O and Drone Net (Israel for example) and that just seems odd to me. The Skyray has always been a model well worth its points and a great anti air option.

 Tinkrr wrote:
I'm happy to see that some unique things are out an about in the top 8, as was said things like the Monolith are rather rare these days.

Requizen wrote:
Alan's won a lot with that Daemon list with before, it's extremely brutal if he gets the BT buffs going and then summons behind it. Invisible, Endurance, Grim, etc D-Thirster will run roughshod through basically anything on the table.

I played against him with it once and managed to tie up the 'Thirster, but by the end it went through a full Lychstar and 6 Wraiths and didn't die. I dunno how you actually win against it without some serious luck.

Sorry, I'm not super familiar with demons but don't Fate Weaver and Belakor fly? More so, does a disc do the same or is it something else?

One thing I noticed about a lot of the Tau, is that unlike they Nova Open list that came in second, the ones I saw weren't running Skyrays or Remoras, which I feel like is rather strange, since some would run CADs with things like Tetras on top of their double Mark'O and Drone Net (Israel for example) and that just seems odd to me. The Skyray has always been a model well worth its points and a great anti air option.

Fatey and Be'lakor fly, buff the Bloodthirster, and then summon. BT kills any big targest (because fast and killy) and the summoned units score. He usually runs like a Heldrake and Tzeentch Prince to go with it.

Disc makes the Herald a Jetbike, that's it.

 frgsinwntr wrote:
Seriously? the interviewers took 50 minutes? that sucks for nick...

Like 5 min, not 50. See Voidwraith above your post.

Requizen wrote:

 Tinkrr wrote:
I'm happy to see that some unique things are out an about in the top 8, as was said things like the Monolith are rather rare these days.

Requizen wrote:
Alan's won a lot with that Daemon list with before, it's extremely brutal if he gets the BT buffs going and then summons behind it. Invisible, Endurance, Grim, etc D-Thirster will run roughshod through basically anything on the table.

I played against him with it once and managed to tie up the 'Thirster, but by the end it went through a full Lychstar and 6 Wraiths and didn't die. I dunno how you actually win against it without some serious luck.

Sorry, I'm not super familiar with demons but don't Fate Weaver and Belakor fly? More so, does a disc do the same or is it something else?

One thing I noticed about a lot of the Tau, is that unlike they Nova Open list that came in second, the ones I saw weren't running Skyrays or Remoras, which I feel like is rather strange, since some would run CADs with things like Tetras on top of their double Mark'O and Drone Net (Israel for example) and that just seems odd to me. The Skyray has always been a model well worth its points and a great anti air option.

Fatey and Be'lakor fly, buff the Bloodthirster, and then summon. BT kills any big targest (because fast and killy) and the summoned units score. He usually runs like a Heldrake and Tzeentch Prince to go with it.

Disc makes the Herald a Jetbike, that's it.

According to the FLG blog, he wasn't running a Heldrake or Prince, here's the list posted:



It's a really interesting list. Though again as a Tau player I feel like the Skyray is criminal underused now with all of the toys as it's a strong choice in general and a brutal destroy of fliers, so killing one of the buffers of the Thirster could really slow it down.

That being said, I remember doing some analysis of the Razorshark formation in the Tau codex (yea, the fliers) and in that formation they were on par with Ghostkeels and the like, being only slightly less point efficient due to the free auto assigned Markerlights and such. Though that was assuming they weren't fighting any kind of flier and even potentially discounting their early entry against Jetbikes and the like, so when considering fliers they became much better. That being said, maybe that formation could have been far better than assumed early on. I'm actually really curious as to whether or not anyone ran it, or if everyone just assumed it wasn't worth it.

 frgsinwntr wrote:

 FTGTEvan wrote:

DooDoo wrote:
Nick really made that game unenjoyable to watch as he was constantly rushing his opponent. The only thing worse than that is watching Reece complain when he gets wrecked in a game.

lol, he should have more, they only played 2 turns! That was what made it unenjoyable, I wanted to see how that game actually would play out.


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he totally should have... ending on 2 because of time is a travesty for a "top tier" event... and because of the interviewers to boot... Should have let them play through dinner.

The one game I lost was to battle company when dice down was called after he got 3 turns in. and i was in the middle of my turn #3. I was starting to really cripple him, and I could have tied the game if I could have just finished my turn,

Still 19th out of 296 for a semi-retired player is not bad.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 frgsinwntr wrote:

 FTGTEvan wrote:

DooDoo wrote:
Nick really made that game unenjoyable to watch as he was constantly rushing his opponent. The only thing worse than that is watching Reece complain when he gets wrecked in a game.

lol, he should have more, they only played 2 turns! That was what made it unenjoyable, I wanted to see how that game actually would play out.


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he totally should have... ending on 2 because of time is a travesty for a "top tier" event... and because of the interviewers to boot... Should have let them play through dinner.

The one game I lost was to battle company when dice down was called after he got 3 turns in. and i was in the middle of my turn #3. I was starting to really cripple him, and I could have tied the game if I could have just finished my turn,

Still 19th out of 296 for a semi-retired player is not bad.

What was your list?

 Blackmoor wrote:

The one game I lost was to battle company when dice down was called after he got 3 turns in. and i was in the middle of my turn #3. I was starting to really cripple him, and I could have tied the game if I could have just finished my turn,

That's a big problem with Battle Company. They tend to do best early in games, and they play slow, so in tourneys they often don't finish their games.

 Drinkgasoline wrote:


What was your list?

Guardian Battlehost+3x3 Jetbikes with 2 scatterlasers each+15 warp spiders+wraithknight


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tag8833 wrote:

 Blackmoor wrote:

The one game I lost was to battle company when dice down was called after he got 3 turns in. and i was in the middle of my turn #3. I was starting to really cripple him, and I could have tied the game if I could have just finished my turn,

That's a big problem with Battle Company. They tend to do best early in games, and they play slow, so in tourneys they often don't finish their games.

Yup.

Turn #2 I kill 5 razorbacks. Turn #3 he surrounds the relic and picks it up. In the bottom of the turn I blow a hole through his army and take out his warlord and the squad holding the relic (so we tied primary) but I was unable to finish my turn and warp jump on to an objective to tie the maelstrom points so he wins secondary.

Time and finishing games has always been an issue with tournaments, and it looks like that is not changing anytime soon.