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tag8833 wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Btw, is there word on when the poll is going live?

Monday at the latest.

Just wanted to poke, is this still the plan? No worries if it takes a day or two extra, just want to make sure I don't miss it

 Grizzyzz wrote:
My biggest curiosity is if, ITC did not rule the new Tau RAW as conservatively as they did, if Tau would have made it higher in the rankings.

From some of the lists I heard people talking about, it didn't seem like their were very many really thought out Tau lists.. mainly OSC spam; I say this because I realize this could also change things in and of itself.

Yes I am a biased Tau player that loves to see his favorite army do well at events. =D (but who doesn't?)


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 VarianceHammer wrote:
As is the way of my people, I've done a quick statistical look at this year's LVO: http://variancehammer.com/2016/02/19/number-crunching-the-lvo/

Hoping to get some more data from FLG for a deeper dive, but it's a decent snapshot at what's going on in the competitive scene at the moment.

Also props! Good write up. Well chosen charts.. having a math background, I hate when people use biased and misleading statistics. =)

I played Tau, and was ranked fairly high (I'd guess 6th ish, as I should have been the top 4-0-1) going into the 6th round, after that I dropped to 26th I believe. I played with both multiple ghostkeels and the piranha formation and posted about it earlier on in this thread post-lvo.

I agree that some of these should be revoted (which they will be) and were done too conservatively, that being said, I don't feel the nerfs hurt me drastically. Not nerfing them may have pushed my tie to a win (also not messing up a rule in that game would have), but that was also against another tau player in KP who used Riptide Wing/Stormsurges, and was also playing to get into top 8 and was beat by Alex fennel in game 6.

I lost to Alan in game 6 and his demons, and don't feel the nerfs impacted that game at all, and that was the game that truly kept me out. It was a terrible match I didn't have an answer for and it showed.

So long story short, as a tau player who was there and played with the stuff that got a bit of the "nerf" so to speak - I don't think it changed my placing or the other tau players I spoke to in a large way, though I still don't feel they were necessary - Tau still aren't the boogiemen Eldar/Demons/Thunderstar are, and even un-nerfed are more on par with Necrons/Gladius if anything in terms of power level.

I like the ITC mods to Tau and feel the army would be way overpowered without them. Tau imo is still a top army and I think they will do better at big events as the year progresses.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I like the ITC mods to Tau and feel the army would be way overpowered without them. Tau imo is still a top army and I think they will do better at big events as the year progresses.

I remember you saying something in the thread for 1500 points about "we can't change anything until we see results and have verification"

Why doesn't that apply here?

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I like the ITC mods to Tau and feel the army would be way overpowered without them. Tau imo is still a top army and I think they will do better at big events as the year progresses.

Of course you do, you are a marine and CSM player. So taking it down a notch is in your best interest.

The problem then all you will see is Riptide and Ghostkeel spam. I know no marine player that enjoys a constant stream of Riptides in a tournament.

 thejughead wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I like the ITC mods to Tau and feel the army would be way overpowered without them. Tau imo is still a top army and I think they will do better at big events as the year progresses.

Of course you do, you are a marine and CSM player. So taking it down a notch is in your best interest.

That's about as mature as "of course you don't like the netfs, you're a tau player".

 DarkLink wrote:

 thejughead wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I like the ITC mods to Tau and feel the army would be way overpowered without them. Tau imo is still a top army and I think they will do better at big events as the year progresses.

Of course you do, you are a marine and CSM player. So taking it down a notch is in your best interest.

That's about as mature as "of course you don't like the netfs, you're a tau player".

Stating a fact of bias is immature ? Please. I also play KDK and Daemons. I only want a fair option polled. If the community seems fit to leave the conservative view so be it. Yes I'm lobbying, because I like my tau. So what?

I think we took the bait unfortunately! Better to only respond to posts that support their argument rather than just "I like X" or "I don't like Y" and then speculation about why that is...

Target's account of taking Tau to the LVO is a great example of a supported post (where, for the record, it looks like the nerfs didn't hurt him even though I don't think they're all needed).

Duly noted.

Are the top 8 lists at Blood of Kittens accurate? Like:

http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Sean-Nayden-2nd-Overall-LVO-2016.pdf

I was just casually looking at these, and noticed the Warp Hunter has Spirit Stones, Holo-Fields and Star Engines, yet hasn't paid any points for them. I assume whoever compiled these lists made mistake, since the base cost is 185 points without any equipment.

EDIT:

Wait a second. He was using the old outdated rules for the Warp Hunter, despite new ones already being out? I mean, the winner of the tournament had a Skathach Wraithknight from the Mymeara 2nd edition, the same book where Warp Hunter costs 185 points without equipment, but the runner up had a Warp Hunter from a 2013 book where it only costs 145 points base?

No the warp hunter had no gear and cost 185. Maybe the army builder program he was using wasnt updated so they tried to make the points fit by adding stuff to it. Those arent the lists as turned in by the players they are as compiled by that website.

OrdoSean wrote:
No the warp hunter had no gear and cost 185. Maybe the army builder program he was using wasnt updated so they tried to make the points fit by adding stuff to it. Those arent the lists as turned in by the players they are as compiled by that website.

Thanks for the clarification.

Aaron Hayden list at 28th place Renegades and Necrons

Did they rule that could in fact shoot into melee with locked up Necrons (non-BB)? Otherwise, I'm not sure I see the merits of the list.