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When you have command abilities that say for example " affects models within 8" of the hero using the ability", does that mean that the hero gains the ability himself too or not?

I think it's weird that a model is not within range of itself but certain command abilities specifically mention that the General is also afffected. If they're always within the range, saying that they get the rule too would be pointless.

But the wording is quite inconsistent across the board, most seem to imply they are to be used on other units..

We play it as written - if it says "affects units within X"..." then that model does not get the bonus unless it states otherwise.

Heroes are buffing units and it makes sense they boost others.

ShaneTB wrote:
We play it as written - if it says "affects units within X"..." then that model does not get the bonus unless it states otherwise.

Heroes are buffing units and it makes sense they boost others.

So if a command ability let's you choose a 'keyword' unit within certain inches to get a benefit, you would exclude the model from the possible choices.

I've been playing it as the hero gets it - he is a unit within X after all!

ShaneTB wrote:
We play it as written - if it says "affects units within X"..." then that model does not get the bonus unless it states otherwise.

Heroes are buffing units and it makes sense they boost others.

I'm sorry but I dont understand this as the commanding model is a model within its own aura.

If we are talking RAW unless it specifies "Other models with X inches" then the origin also has said buff.

It has to say other. Otherwise it includes itself. According to the English language, that is. Which I'm pretty sure GW uses.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
It has to say other. Otherwise it includes itself. According to the English language, that is. Which I'm pretty sure GW uses.

"The general barked an order. Everyone within earshot stood at attention and saluted." Did the general stand at attention and salute?

Generally we don't talk about someone being within a distance of themselves in English - it's sort of incoherent. We have to look to the rules for guidance as to how they have used it.

My first question is if a single model is "a unit." It seems like even a single model counts as a unit. That being the case, there are some abilities, like the Bretonnian Lord's, who provide their bonus to "units within x" and this model," suggesting that a model is not considered to be within x" of itself. I do not think that a model generally gains a benefit from commanding itself - any such benefit is included in its base stats.

Upon further reading the warscrolls, the way that they describe the abilities seem to imply that it would only work on other units.

Like I mentioned above, they do specifically mention 'this model' if the General is also afffected.

I would like some clarification from GW, though that seems unlikely.

If Command Abilities can apply to the General himself, consider the High Elf Prince on a Dragon:

First Amongst Equals: If a High Elf
Prince on Dragon uses this ability, pick up
to three Highborn Heroes from your
army within 16" of him; they can each
immediately use one command ability that
is listed on their warscroll, even though
they are not your general.

He picks 2 heroes to use their command, then picks himself, which lets him pick 2 heroes, then pick himself.... Seems a bit over-the-top.


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It could be argued that "even though they are not your general" excludes the self-pick.