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I am asking for any advice on making a list and maybe some help with strategy. My buddy plays IG, and has mopped the floor with me 3 times. I actually did win our last game, by sheer luck of the roll to decide if we go to turn 6. However, I only had 4 models left on the table. 3 warriors and a CCB. So, I'm basically desperate for anyone to look at what I have and make suggestions on how I can turn the freakin table on him.


So, here's what I have right now

60+ Warriors (60 built, and probably another 15-20 on sprues)
8 Immortals
5 Deathmarks
4 Flayed Ones
14 Scarabs
3 Anni/CC barges
1 Monolith
1 Doomsday Arc
9 Destroyers
1 Destroyer Lord
2 Lords
3 Overlords
1 Anrakyr
1 Trazyn
3 Waiths

6 or 7 warrior sized models that I'm not really sure what are.

We are running 1850 pt lists. But 4 or 5 pts -/+ is fine

That's what I have. It also important to know that proxies are fine as long the models are close to same size. For example I've been using the wraiths as Tomb Blades.
I could use the doomsday arc as a Ghost Arc, the Monolith could be a t vault/arc or obilisk. That last game I used all the little guys that weren't warriors as Flayed Ones.
Of course the flayed ones did little more than increase his unit kills.

My buddy usually fields 2 Wayverns (spelling?) with 4 shots of barrage each) a huge 9hp lord of war tank, a huge unit(30-40) of conscripts with priest, and another huge unit of another kind of little troop. 5 lascannons, And he does thing at the beginning of the shooting phase called giving orders where he buffs his guys up. usually with front row fire, second row fire, which doubles the units attacks. And some kind of psycher/not psycher assassin dude thats really bada**


Any help would be greatly appreciated. List advice, strategic advice. Any questions as to the specifics of the IG might not be able to be answered as I'm really not sure about their stats.

Well, id say vs this kinda list the big thing is surviving the initial explosion of violence meted out on your ranks. Defensive buffs, like the flare thing that makes you untargetable by blasts, and the other thing that let's you reroll Res Protocols for the turn, are gonna let you close and pound on that big tank.

Necrons get destroyed by IG..? (still not sure if I really see it). I never thought I'd see IG destroy ANYTHING, let alone Necrons :-) I'm kinda proud for IG player.

Jokes aside, try bringing Decurion (if your friend allows you to). Makes your already tough army even tougher, almost OP. Almost.

I've heard, that bringing Destroyer Cult and Triarch Stalker lets your Destroyers shoot with BS5, re-roll 1's and re-roll armor penetration. You are looking at one of the best anti-armor batteries in the entire game!

You can give Nebuloscopes to Tomb Blades to ignore cover with their Gauss Cannon. Could be handy against some units, which heavily rely on cover to protect them.

Some Wraiths will be a true nightmare for anyone to deal with. They can make turn 2 charge, if you're lucky.

I'd skip Flayed Ones and get some Lych Guard with shields. T5, 3++ and 4+ RP make them dead 'ard. Add an Overlord with Resurrection Orb and watch your opponent weep as a Lych Guard unit simply refuses to take casualties.

And remember, that all Gauss weapons cause glancing hits on 6's! Don't be afraid to fire with your Warriors into that scary LoW tank. You'll be surprised with the results!

Since you're running Necrons and losing to the Guard, I'm going to assume that your problem isn't your list building, but rather your implementation. For example, he has a priest, but you can do lots of things to try and "snipe" his character. If he's in the back, deep strike Destroyers behind him and unload - if he fails just one "look out sir!" save, he'll be toast.

And note, conscripts are... well... just conscripts! He's try to force you to engage them and lock units up. Conscripts have to walk everywhere, so just move around these blob. Alternatively, just throw all your Warriors at it - they will die.

What's probably more pressing is the Lord of War, I'm assuming its the Baneblade. Yup, that's a crazy sucker all right! Glancing it to death can take a long time - but it will work, provided you can get somewhat close to him. Ghost Arks are your friends here, and don't rule out the use of a C'tan! A Transcendent C'tan will absorb his entire firepower to kill, and so long as the C'tan doesn't get caught in combat with the Conscripts, it will destroy your enemies.

Also, that Trascendent C'tan powers can go into a "barrage" mode, which (if you cleverly target and use the barrage rules) can even sometimes snipe out a target from a squad you weren't even targeting.

IG typically have a very difficult time with the current Necron book, I haven't been able to beat the Necron book, nor seen a battle report where the current IG book beats the current Necron book.

Ultimately, if you just want to beat IG, easiest thing to do is just spam Wraiths. You put 18 Wraiths on a table, or even just 12, and the Necrons are almost assuredly going to simply obliterate the IG army, especially if taken in Decurion/Harvest formations.

That said, with what you've got, it looks like you have a fair number of Warriors, but only very small numbers of everything else, a very tiny smattering of everything. Having a grip of Warriors is good, but it does mean that with the limited numbers of other units, the IG player has an easier time engaging your specialist elements. Bulk up some of the non-warrior units and run a Decurion and you basically won't be able to lose to IG.

Also keep in mind that First Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire only doubles *lasgun* shots, not the shots on everything, and Lasguns really shouldn't do squat to a properly built Necron army (requiring an average of 28 BS3 lasgun shots to kill a single basic 13pt Warrior in a Decurion).

I feel like the IG would be better against necrons... all those S8 ap3 pie plates would give them a 5+ save. Ig can get those very easily. It is a friendly game, so less power builds and most players tend to actually make a non net list.

 DaKKaLAnce wrote:
I feel like the IG would be better against necrons... all those S8 ap3 pie plates would give them a 5+ save. Ig can get those very easily. It is a friendly game, so less power builds and most players tend to actually make a non net list.

S8 AP3 pieplates look scary on paper, but haven't really been a terribly competitive choice since ~mid 5E.

Sure, if they hit, that's great, but even a clean hit on Warriors or Immortals is only inflicting a successful wound on slightly better than 50/50 odds between rolling 1's to wound and 5+ RP. if there's a cover save involved, even just a 5+, and Decurion "reroll 1's" for RP involved, then all of a sudden your only inflicting wounds as if they had a 3++ invul, and that's not even taking into account the very high chance of a scatter. Meanwhile that pie-plate tossing Russ can't make effective use of hull and sponson weapons due to the Ordnance rules not being overridden by Heavy, and that AV14 doesn't mean squat over AV12 to Gauss weaponry.

If played right, IG can be actually pretty good vs necrons. You just unite 5 squads from one infantry platoon into a combined squad. Those are ~50 models with 5 plasma guns and 5 heavy bolters. You just give them the Ignore Cover rule and then another one for double shot (can't recall the name). With one turn you got 150 lasgun shots at enemy ranks and the Necron immortals can kiss your arse goodbye. The necron player have to catch up with 12 kills so you can make a moral test.

IG are not weak at all if used properly, but pretty few people play them cause... let's face it, almost no body have the time to paint 120 models. For the same amount of points I can paint 2x less SM

 DalinCriid wrote:
If played right, IG can be actually pretty good vs necrons. You just unite 5 squads from one infantry platoon into a combined squad. Those are ~50 models with 5 plasma guns and 5 heavy bolters. You just give them the Ignore Cover rule and then another one for double shot (can't recall the name). With one turn you got 150 lasgun shots at enemy ranks and the Necron immortals can kiss your arse goodbye.

You can't issue both orders to the same squad in the same turn,

Even 150 lasgun shots, assuming you can get everyone in range and LoS, against Immortals with Decurion bonuses, you're averaging a grand total of 3.47 wounds on the Immortals. If each unit has a plasma gun and a lascannon (making a 425pt 50 man blob, assuming no other upgrades, character attachments, etc), you're averaging ~5 wounds on the Immortals (assuming no cover is involved). That's roughly a third of a typical army being brought to bear on an opponent, and successfully killing only 5 Troops models on average under ideal circumstances. That's the problem IG face. The Necrons can simply absorb so much firepower, while a Marine opponent likely would have taken almost triple the number of casualties, ~14 T4 3+sv models, under the same circumstances.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:
If played right, IG can be actually pretty good vs necrons. You just unite 5 squads from one infantry platoon into a combined squad. Those are ~50 models with 5 plasma guns and 5 heavy bolters. You just give them the Ignore Cover rule and then another one for double shot (can't recall the name). With one turn you got 150 lasgun shots at enemy ranks and the Necron immortals can kiss your arse goodbye.

You can't issue both orders to the same squad in the same turn,

Even 150 lasgun shots, assuming you can get everyone in range and LoS, against Immortals with Decurion bonuses, you're averaging a grand total of 3.47 wounds on the Immortals. If each unit has a plasma gun and a lascannon (making a 425pt 50 man blob, assuming no other upgrades, character attachments, etc), you're averaging ~5 wounds on the Immortals (assuming no cover is involved).

Yeah, I completely forgot that you can't use 2 orders at once. Thanks for the correction. How about if the OP is making the mistake of letting his IG buddy to spawn order after order over that 30-40 conscript squad. BTW is there a commissar attached to this squad? All you have to do is make them RUN and with low moral they can easy fail their test.

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:
If played right, IG can be actually pretty good vs necrons. You just unite 5 squads from one infantry platoon into a combined squad. Those are ~50 models with 5 plasma guns and 5 heavy bolters. You just give them the Ignore Cover rule and then another one for double shot (can't recall the name). With one turn you got 150 lasgun shots at enemy ranks and the Necron immortals can kiss your arse goodbye.

You can't issue both orders to the same squad in the same turn,

Even 150 lasgun shots, assuming you can get everyone in range and LoS, against Immortals with Decurion bonuses, you're averaging a grand total of 3.47 wounds on the Immortals. If each unit has a plasma gun and a lascannon (making a 425pt 50 man blob, assuming no other upgrades, character attachments, etc), you're averaging ~5 wounds on the Immortals (assuming no cover is involved).

Yeah, I completely forgot that you can't use 2 orders at once. Thanks for the correction. How about if the OP is making the mistake of letting his IG buddy to spawn order after order over that 30-40 conscript squad. BTW is there a commissar attached to this squad? All you have to do is make them RUN and with low moral they can easy fail their test.

It's got a priest according to the OP so even better.

Neurons against Guard is rather simple. Take a Decurion first. Focus down the command squads with your Tomb Blades, and used each weapons on the Baneblade. After that there really isn't anything in his army I'm seeing that would pose a threat at all to you. Decurion Necrons are just so strong.

If you really want to guarantee your victory, throw down an army of Wraiths. Might as well not even play at that point.

The only viable solution is to not play against necrons. YMMV ofc, but it increases my fun factor by 12.

Well a lot to think about here. Thanks for all the advice, everyone

Use the Decurium formation, and take 2maxed out blobs of warriors. Then use the optional lord formation (cant remember the name) to get 2crypteks with the chronometer to give the blobs a 5++ vs shooting. Give both lords warschytes and they will be able to cut down the baneblade in cc.

Use rest of your points to add in the Harverst formation to get those wraiths and you should be good to go.

My buddy plays Necrons, and I play Guard. His Necrons win *most* of the time.

1) He plays the Decurion. That 4+ Reanimation Protocol makes nearly everything really, really hard to kill.
2) He takes Gauss weapons. He shoots at my vehicles and wrecks them from hull point loss.
3) To tie up any blobs I have, he takes Wraiths, and just runs them into any blobs. They usually win the close combat, or tie them up.
4) His Deathmarks get sent after anything behind my deployment line, like my Command Squad (the guys giving orders), or my Wyverns.
5) He just walks everything forward and takes objectives.

Don't forget the secondary objectives.
1) Slay the Warlord: A Company Commander is pretty easy to kill. Deathmarks can deepstrike right near the command squad. Wraiths can run from far away and destroy them in assault. Easy victory point.
2) Behind Enemy Lines: Deathmarks can claim this, Tomb Blades can claim this, Wraiths can claim this (well, anything really, but these are fast units).
3) First Blood: You can usually get this one, as your army is much, much tougher than his.

1. If Guard Blobs are troublesome, you can use Tesla weapons. They give extra hits on 6's. Extra hits on Guard means extra deaths.
2. If the Baneblade (big Lord of War tank) is a problem, use Gauss weapons. They take away a hull point on 6's. Just glance it to death.
3. If the Wyverns are troublesome, deepstrike Deathmarks by them and take them out!
4. Taking out the Company Commander early is good because the orders he gives are big force multipliers for the guard.
5. Take out the Priest in that large blob and they're just a bunch of scared, wimpy guys that can be broken with a morale check really easily. As others have said, use a barrage blast weapon centered on him, and hope for the best.