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 Farseer Uruvion wrote:
The top 4 (OVERALL) OP codexs are:
Tau
Eldar
Necrons and;
Space Marines

No argument about it. You pick anything in the Tau codex and it is strong, with most options being OP. Riptides being the worst.

So.. you're telling me firewarriors are overpowered?

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:
The top 4 (OVERALL) OP codexs are:
Tau
Eldar
Necrons and;
Space Marines

No argument about it. You pick anything in the Tau codex and it is strong, with most options being OP. Riptides being the worst.

Are you a troll?

Martel732 wrote:

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:
The top 4 (OVERALL) OP codexs are:
Tau
Eldar
Necrons and;
Space Marines

No argument about it. You pick anything in the Tau codex and it is strong, with most options being OP. Riptides being the worst.

So.. you're telling me firewarriors are overpowered?

Oh man.... I can't even begin to describe how broken they are.

30" S5 AP5 Rapid Fire is ridiculous already. Let's set the scene.
12 Fire Warriors. Add a Cadre Fireblade in, put an Ethereal nearby. That one Fire Warrior team is spitting out 48!!! shots of S5 (wounding most things on 2+) AP5 (Ignoring armour of basically anything that's not MEQ) and all these have the potential of both ignoring cover and shooting at BS5.
If you have the time, pick up 48 dice and roll to hit on 2s, wound on 3s and take all them armour saves of 3+. You can't make that many saves.
Keep in mind that's from one squad.

Okay, say you had 2 squads of 12 with a Cadre and Etherael nearby and a squad of Pathfinders.
I declare I'm going to charge at your Fire Warriors.
You overwater with the Pafinders. Getting, say only 2 markerlights. You then overwatch with Fire Warriors. Sgt overwatches with markerlight and say he hits. That makes it 96 shots at S5 AP5 hitting on 4s.
You realise how ridiculous that is.
I realise that not everyone may take this combo, but still having S5 weapons at 30" range is ridiculous when every single model has one. It's almost like your army has heavy bolters army-wide (almost).

I just can't even....


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SGTPozy wrote:

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:
The top 4 (OVERALL) OP codexs are:
Tau
Eldar
Necrons and;
Space Marines

No argument about it. You pick anything in the Tau codex and it is strong, with most options being OP. Riptides being the worst.

Are you a troll?

Not at all.

Okay, maybe Commander Shadowsun is the only thing that is sensible.

Scatterbikes and heavy bolters kill them from outside 30".

 Kanluwen wrote:

I can know all the statlines that I want to, it doesn't mean I remember that they can Overwatch to support an Overwatch or that they can get Markerlights to Overwatch and then boost up their other Overwatches.

And quite frankly, "only Overwatching once per turn" isn't exactly a weakness for Tau. Not when you're talking about people setting their army up in a legitimate "gunline" where everything is more or less within range to use Supporting Fire.

Why do you struggle to remember this? You should only be burned by markerlights and multiple overwatch once. After that you should know. Kill the markerlights, pathfinders are squishy. Charge with more than one unit. Outflank. Force morale checks. Stay out of RF range. Figuring out a working strategy is part of the game's appeal.

I look at Taus pros as fair, not OP. Maybe it is the lists I play against, but I would gladly face Tau over Eldar, Necrons, and free Razorbacks right now.

Hey look, it's the guy who thinks that Vespids are OP!

Seriously though, Tau are hardly as powerful as Eldar. Eldar can dominate in every phase of the game with the right units. Tau may be good in the shooting phase, which is admittedly the most important phase, but movement/psychic/assault are just as important to victory. Tau are nonexistant in two of those phases.

Tau are the strongest of the pre-Necron books, able to hold their own against the newer codexes and utterly dominate the ones from 6th/early 7th edition. But compared to what has come after them, Tau are no longer at the top tier of power. Fortunately, rumor has it they're going to be updated soon.

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Hey look, it's the guy who thinks that Vespids are OP!

Seriously though, Tau are hardly as powerful as Eldar. Eldar can dominate in every phase of the game with the right units. Tau may be good in the shooting phase, which is admittedly the most important phase, but movement/psychic/assault are just as important to victory. Tau are nonexistant in two of those phases.

Tau are the strongest of the pre-Necron books, able to hold their own against the newer codexes and utterly dominate the ones from 6th/early 7th edition. But compared to what has come after them, Tau are no longer at the top tier of power. Fortunately, rumor has it they're going to be updated soon.

Sorry, but I have to ignore your opinions. I've already made myself clear to you. It'd be a waste trying to talk sense into you.

But on this...
You did just strengthen my view. Saying that Tau are non existent in the movement phase is exactly my point. They just have to castle in a corner. And in the assault phase, they still get over watch with everything nearby.

Martel732 wrote:
Scatterbikes and heavy bolters kill them from outside 30".

Ahahahahahahahaha, if I deploy HB units then the Tau player just deploys 6" forward of the board edge and wipes them in turn one.

I love how the Tau players immediately jump on the Eldar player, even though he admits openly that his army is OP as well, and try to lynch him for having an opinion that goes against what they want us to think.

I have played alongside and against Tau. They are broken as hell, but so are the other 3 metadex's.

Got beat as tau by blood angels rocking corbulo and a full deathcompany in a raven, allied nemesis strike force which i managed to kill all but the 2 dreadknights with interceptor. As soon as those dreadknights and death company got close i was rolled.
Everyone needs to get over themselves and play to the weaknesses of the opposing codex. Tau have plenty to exploit, unlike eldar, who generally dont have easily exploited weaknesses.

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Hey look, it's the guy who thinks that Vespids are OP!

Seriously though, Tau are hardly as powerful as Eldar. Eldar can dominate in every phase of the game with the right units. Tau may be good in the shooting phase, which is admittedly the most important phase, but movement/psychic/assault are just as important to victory. Tau are nonexistant in two of those phases.

Tau are the strongest of the pre-Necron books, able to hold their own against the newer codexes and utterly dominate the ones from 6th/early 7th edition. But compared to what has come after them, Tau are no longer at the top tier of power. Fortunately, rumor has it they're going to be updated soon.

Sorry, but I have to ignore your opinions. I've already made myself clear to you. It'd be a waste trying to talk sense into you.

But on this...
You did just strengthen my view. Saying that Tau are non existent in the movement phase is exactly my point. They just have to castle in a corner. And in the assault phase, they still get over watch with everything nearby.

Two of them being assault and psychic.
You derped n your hate.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:
Hey look, it's the guy who thinks that Vespids are OP!

Seriously though, Tau are hardly as powerful as Eldar. Eldar can dominate in every phase of the game with the right units. Tau may be good in the shooting phase, which is admittedly the most important phase, but movement/psychic/assault are just as important to victory. Tau are nonexistant in two of those phases.

Tau are the strongest of the pre-Necron books, able to hold their own against the newer codexes and utterly dominate the ones from 6th/early 7th edition. But compared to what has come after them, Tau are no longer at the top tier of power. Fortunately, rumor has it they're going to be updated soon.

Sorry, but I have to ignore your opinions. I've already made myself clear to you. It'd be a waste trying to talk sense into you.

But on this...
You did just strengthen my view. Saying that Tau are non existent in the movement phase is exactly my point. They just have to castle in a corner. And in the assault phase, they still get over watch with everything nearby.

Two of them being assault and psychic.
You derped n your hate.

They compensate in the lack of Psychic ability in shooting twenty times over. And I had already covered the Assault phase. They don't allow the enemy one.

Martel732 wrote:
Scatterbikes and heavy bolters kill them from outside 30".

That's like saying Gravstar can be killed with Str D. Sure, it can, but it doesn't make it any less powerful to its intended targets.

Tau are super strong. Their special abilities are uncounterable (markerlights) and they chew through invisibility no problem. In terms of mid range high volume fire they are at the same level as eldar AND they have interceptor literally everywhere. Plus fire warriors are probably the best troop in the game outside of scatter bikes - and they are much much cheaper.

 master of ordinance wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Scatterbikes and heavy bolters kill them from outside 30".

Ahahahahahahahaha, if I deploy HB units then the Tau player just deploys 6" forward of the board edge and wipes them in turn one.

I love how the Tau players immediately jump on the Eldar player, even though he admits openly that his army is OP as well, and try to lynch him for having an opinion that goes against what they want us to think.

I have played alongside and against Tau. They are broken as hell, but so are the other 3 metadex's.

This is also the same guy who has problems beating Tau while playing Eldar with no less than two Wraithknights. His credibility is somewhere south of zero.

His group also subscribes to the Tau hate, to the point where they won't play against them. I'm honestly surprised that they haven't kicked the Eldar player out for being a massive block of solid cheddar.

Heavy Bolters are not an effective counter to Tau, Wyverns, on the other hand...

TFC also wreck any imaginary tau overwatch castle.

Or that thing called maelstrom when sitting in a corner isn't an option.

"fire warriors are probably the best troop in the game outside of scatter bikes"

Better than those super-broken Cult Mechanics grav cannon guys? I think not

 Selym wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Scatterbikes and heavy bolters kill them from outside 30".

That's like saying Gravstar can be killed with Str D. Sure, it can, but it doesn't make it any less powerful to its intended targets.

Except the gravstar can't be killed with STR D because of invis.

"Their special abilities are uncounterable (markerlights)"

I know a counter; kill the extremely fragile markerlight platforms...

The primary strength of the Tau is their place in the meta. I can't just load up on drop pods to hammer Tau lists because there are many OTHER lists that I don't want to have to commit against with mass drop pods. I know many non-vanilla marine players are rocking mass drop pods anyway, but that is not my favored tactic. Obviously, if you can take Skyhammer, you do so, but for BA and DA I don't think pods are that strong over all. Against Tau, yes, but not overall.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Scatterbikes and heavy bolters kill them from outside 30".

Ahahahahahahahaha, if I deploy HB units then the Tau player just deploys 6" forward of the board edge and wipes them in turn one.

I love how the Tau players immediately jump on the Eldar player, even though he admits openly that his army is OP as well, and try to lynch him for having an opinion that goes against what they want us to think.

I have played alongside and against Tau. They are broken as hell, but so are the other 3 metadex's.

This is also the same guy who has problems beating Tau while playing Eldar with no less than two Wraithknights. His credibility is somewhere south of zero.

His group also subscribes to the Tau hate, to the point where they won't play against them. I'm honestly surprised that they haven't kicked the Eldar player out for being a massive block of solid cheddar.

Heavy Bolters are not an effective counter to Tau, Wyverns, on the other hand...

You're not reading my posts right.

I had no problems with fighting Tau with dual Wraithknights. As I've said a thousand times, I've taken a listl like that only for Tau. Every other person I play against, I dull my lists down so they can have fun too.
I'm under no delusions, Eldar are OP. I know that. I'm happy to admit, but fair lists can be made with them and the whole game isn't running across the field to attempt to get into CC.

Expanding on Martel's point, that's the same reason why Orks do well.

"I dull my lists down so they can have fun too. "

You shouldn't have to.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Scatterbikes and heavy bolters kill them from outside 30".

Ahahahahahahahaha, if I deploy HB units then the Tau player just deploys 6" forward of the board edge and wipes them in turn one.

I love how the Tau players immediately jump on the Eldar player, even though he admits openly that his army is OP as well, and try to lynch him for having an opinion that goes against what they want us to think.

I have played alongside and against Tau. They are broken as hell, but so are the other 3 metadex's.

This is also the same guy who has problems beating Tau while playing Eldar with no less than two Wraithknights. His credibility is somewhere south of zero.

His group also subscribes to the Tau hate, to the point where they won't play against them. I'm honestly surprised that they haven't kicked the Eldar player out for being a massive block of solid cheddar.

Heavy Bolters are not an effective counter to Tau, Wyverns, on the other hand...

Wyverns are.... Debatable. On the one hand a few good shots will wreck the Fire Warriors. On the other hand the Firewarriors basic pulse guns can kill the wyvern if they get on the flank, railguns and pulse cannon and any form of battlesuit will eat the wyverns. Said wyverns are also pricey.

Martel732 wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Scatterbikes and heavy bolters kill them from outside 30".

That's like saying Gravstar can be killed with Str D. Sure, it can, but it doesn't make it any less powerful to its intended targets.

Except the gravstar can't be killed with STR D because of invis.

Ah. Forgot that.

Point still stands though. Replace the Str D part with whatever can kill them, then.


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Martel732 wrote:
"I dull my lists down so they can have fun too. "

You shouldn't have to.

Tru dat.

" Replace the Str D part with whatever can kill them, then."

I was hoping someone could clue me in on that.

Martel732 wrote:
"I dull my lists down so they can have fun too. "

You shouldn't have to.

That's my point. I have to to enjoy the games. Talk to the writers at GW. I don't write the codexs. I've already admitted Eldar are OP.
But I'm making the point that Tau are the worst offenders.

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
"I dull my lists down so they can have fun too. "

You shouldn't have to.

That's my point. I have to to enjoy the games. Talk to the writers at GW. I don't write the codexs. I've already admitted Eldar are OP.
But I'm making the point that Tau are the worst offenders.

And I'm telling you that Tau can't hold the Eldar's jock strap. Eldar are rocking awesome psychic powers, shoot and scoot scatbikes, undercosted WKs that are now gargantuan creatures. pseudo rending on all their infantry weapons, the best transport in the game, awesome firepower from Warp Spiders, and Autarchs for reserve shenanigans if necessary. Even Eldar "bad" units are better than most marine units.

Tau have an immortal MC with a ridiculous gun, but the rest of the army is very mortal. I don't think marine players need to be reminded how fragile a 2+ save is now and so broadsides are removed with reasonable firepower and the tau infantry themselves crumple to bolters and flamers and heaven forbid heavy flamers.

 Farseer Uruvion wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
"I dull my lists down so they can have fun too. "

You shouldn't have to.

That's my point. I have to to enjoy the games. Talk to the writers at GW. I don't write the codexs. I've already admitted Eldar are OP.
But I'm making the point that Tau are the worst offenders.

Yes but you aren't making a good point. All your point is "I say they're OP and so they are" with no logic to back you up

Martel732 wrote:
" Replace the Str D part with whatever can kill them, then."

I was hoping someone could clue me in on that.

I kinda want to know, too. Just got a text from my friend saying that he wants to put that in his army.

 Selym wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
" Replace the Str D part with whatever can kill them, then."

I was hoping someone could clue me in on that.

I kinda want to know, too. Just got a text from my friend saying that he wants to put that in his army.

Be prepared for a lot of hard games. A 24" death radius is no fun.