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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/24 23:03:38
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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djones520 wrote:I read somewhere that the theater was a no gun zone. I'm curious if that was publicized or not, and if that had anything to do with his decision making process. Obviously we'll never know on the second half of that part, but I still am curious.
I don't believe such things exist in the state of Louisiana.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/24 23:09:38
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: Sinful Hero wrote:Just a nutjob. Would be interesting to know if he got the gun legally or not. Seeing as how he couldn't get a concealed carry permit, I'm guessing it wasn't legally.
Illegally seems the most plausible way. He would not have passed an NICS background check as he was;
- a domestic abuser
- previously involuntarily committed
- a felon on account of his arson charge
- subject to a restraining order
A charge does not make you a felon. A conviction does. But the involuntary commission would be enough to stop the purchase, I believe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/24 23:33:27
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Psienesis wrote: djones520 wrote:I read somewhere that the theater was a no gun zone. I'm curious if that was publicized or not, and if that had anything to do with his decision making process. Obviously we'll never know on the second half of that part, but I still am curious.
I don't believe such things exist in the state of Louisiana.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/louisiana.pdf
Do “No Gun Signs” Have the Force of Law? YES!
From the Louisiana DPS Concealed Handgun Unit
Web Page.
The provisions of R.S. 40:1379.3 (N) shall not limit the right of a property owner, lessee, or other lawful custodian to prohibit or restrict access of those persons possessing a concealed handgun pursuant to a permit issued under this Section. No individual to whom a concealed handgun permit is issued may carry such concealed handgun into the private residence of another without first receiving the consent of that person
djones520 wrote:A charge does not make you a felon. A conviction does. But the involuntary commission would be enough to stop the purchase, I believe.
You are correct, and I mis-spoke. He was convicted
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/24 23:34:54
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Jesus that is terrible. Two girls were victims of the shooting. Thats horrendous!
My question is how the feth did he get a weapon?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/24 23:37:35
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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djones520 wrote:I read somewhere that the theater was a no gun zone. I'm curious if that was publicized or not, and if that had anything to do with his decision making process. Obviously we'll never know on the second half of that part, but I still am curious.
This is my favorite evidence-free NRA meme; the idea that any mass shooter, ever, specifically researched whether or not a place was "a gun free zone" and selected that place specifically for a spree killing on that criteria. I don't think that's happened once yet at all, but lets just keep throwing it out there every week or so, because at some point it's gotta happen.
Incidentally, if we follow that thought to it's logical conclusion, then we get an America without any gun-free zones and tacitly accept everyone needs to be armed, all the time, everyplace, because you never know when a spree killer might strike. I mean, that sounds like sort of a problematic place to go, but well, if you're the NRA, I guess it makes sense in that a lot of guns get sold, and what's good for gun manufacturers is good for the NRA. I feel like it's a band-aid over an unresolved problem.
I don't really have a good answer, but I don't think that precludes me from knocking down some of the bad ones. How to you keep crazy people from getting guns? Hell if I know, we have a pretty big pile of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/24 23:37:48
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Short answer; not legally
It will be interesting to see if the weapon can be traced
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/24 23:44:34
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Short answer; not legally
It will be interesting to see if the weapon can be traced
Lets hope justice will be served on the idiots that decided to give a crazy person a weapon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 15:23:21
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/lafayette-theater-shooting/lafayette-theater-shooter-bought-gun-legally-police-say-n398106
The gunman who opened fire in a Louisiana movie theater, killing two people and wounding nine others, legally bought the handgun he used, officials said Friday.
John Russell Houser, 59, bought the Hi-Point .40-caliber handgun at a pawn shop in Phenix City, Alabama, in February of 2014, Lafayette Police Chief Jim Craft said at a news conference.
I'm not entirely certain how someone legally prohibited from owning a firearm can purchase one legally. Even thought it was bought from a pawn shop a NICS background check must be performed with a form 4473
Had the shooter filled out Section 11 honestly then he should have failed the background check. Even had he not then the NICS background check should have flagged him as a disqualified person, and a false statement on a 4473 is a felony. This could mean that;
1) the NICS failed again, as it did with Dylan Roof
2) the pawn shop broke Federal law
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 15:28:27
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Yeah, its only "legal" if someone screwed up. In the same way that its "legal" when someone accidentally gets released from prison.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 15:38:22
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Or it could b legal because NICS still, after how many shootings, doesn't have the information to actually do what it is supposed to do. Courts and mental health treatment facilities not talking to the states, states not talking to NICS, information hat would disqualify you never actually making it to the body that checks if you are disqualified.
This is the exact same song and dance that we have played for a decade now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 15:40:10
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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I don't see how the pawn shop could have broken the law, assuming they submitted the 4473. They're not responsible for proving the veracity of the information on the form, simply for submitting it through NICS and then keeping the records on file. I know the information entered into NICS, or more accurately, that doesn't make it into NICS, is a problem, but that's not on the pawn shop.
What made him prohibited from owning a firearm? Maybe I missed it, I haven't followed this super closely.
I saw he once had a restraining order taken out on him, but that's not a domestic violence conviction. As far as his mental issues, I think it's pretty rare for someone to actually be adjudicated mentally defective. If you're super depressed or manic or whatever and check into an inpatient facility willingly, get treated, and leave, I don't think that would count (for example). It's really, really hard to get someone committed, or even just held for a mental evaluation. My mother-in-law had brain damage (not yet diagnosed at the time) and our family tried hard as hell to have her held because we knew something was wrong, but we had no success - she was fairly coherent if confused - until she started screaming gibberish at and shoving a cop. So to be committed... it's not a thing that happens lightly. Obviously YMMV but that's my experience.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 15:50:57
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ouze wrote:I don't see how the pawn shop could have broken the law, assuming they submitted the 4473. They're not responsible for proving the veracity of the information on the form, simply for submitting it through NICS and then keeping the records on file. I know the information entered into NICS, or more accurately, that doesn't make it into NICS, is a problem, but that's not on the pawn shop.
What made him prohibited from owning a firearm? Maybe I missed it, I haven't followed this super closely.
I saw he once had a restraining order taken out on him, but that's not a domestic violence conviction. As far as his mental issues, I think it's pretty rare for someone to actually be adjudicated mentally defective. If you're super depressed or manic or whatever and check into an inpatient facility willingly, get treated, and leave, I don't think that would count (for example). It's really, really hard to get someone committed, or even just held for a mental evaluation. My mother-in-law had brain damage (not yet diagnosed at the time) and our family tried hard as hell to have her held because we knew something was wrong, but we had no success - she was fairly coherent if confused - until she started screaming gibberish at and shoving a cop. So to be committed... it's not a thing that happens lightly. Obviously YMMV but that's my experience.
It depends on just what exactly is covered by (f). I can fill out the paper that gets you committed for up to 8 hours and I have frequently done so. A psychiatrist can fill out the paper that gets you committed for a few business days until a court can hear your case, and a court can then commit you for however long it takes. All of these scenarios could be considered "committed to a mental institution" and/or "a danger to yourself or to others". And none of that is counting voluntary admissions, which would still count as "committed to a mental institution".
But nothing will be done about this and we will, once again, not even bother to enforce the laws already on the book because idiots will start screaming about how Obama is going to take away their guns. Last time there was talk about the Department of Veteran Affairs actually following the law and passing the information about veterans that fall into category (f) of the background check along, I just ended up hearing more of the "Obama hates the military, he hates Veterans, he hates guns, and he is going to disarm the veterans first because he knows that they swore an oath to the constitution and they would be the first to rise up against Obama" bull on the usual sources.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 15:52:32
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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d-usa wrote:. And none of that is counting voluntary admissions, which would still count as "committed to a mental institution".
I didn't know that, thanks.
And yeah, I feel like we're not even really pretending we're going to do anything at this point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 16:01:16
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Ouze wrote:I don't see how the pawn shop could have broken the law, assuming they submitted the 4473.
I was postulating that perhaps the pawn shop had not completed the 4473
Ouze wrote:What made him prohibited from owning a firearm? Maybe I missed it, I haven't followed this super closely.
If media reports are correct I believe that the following applies;
11(b) he was a felon on account of an incident of arson
11(f) he was judged mentally deficient as he was at one time involuntarily committed
11(h) he was subject to a restraining order
11(i) he was convicted of domestic violence
d-usa wrote:Or it could b legal because NICS still, after how many shootings, doesn't have the information to actually do what it is supposed to do. Courts and mental health treatment facilities not talking to the states, states not talking to NICS, information hat would disqualify you never actually making it to the body that checks if you are disqualified.
This is the exact same song and dance that we have played for a decade now.
I apologize if I'm being obtuse but I'm having trouble reconciling it being legal because NICS was incorrect. Is it still not unlawful for a disqualified person to purchase/own a firearm?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 16:10:25
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:
d-usa wrote:Or it could b legal because NICS still, after how many shootings, doesn't have the information to actually do what it is supposed to do. Courts and mental health treatment facilities not talking to the states, states not talking to NICS, information hat would disqualify you never actually making it to the body that checks if you are disqualified.
This is the exact same song and dance that we have played for a decade now.
I apologize if I'm being obtuse but I'm having trouble reconciling it being legal because NICS was incorrect. Is it still not unlawful for a disqualified person to purchase/own a firearm?
I don't know if it is being obtuse, but the whole point of having a centralized database that checks the information is because most reasonable people expect that some people will lie and that is why we have the NCIS system instead of just keeping post it notes with "it's totes legal for me to buy a gun" that are kept in a shoe box underneath the register.
It was a legal purchase in that his information was given to NICS and the system was not aware of any of his huge background that everybody else was able to pull together in less than 24 hours and NICS saying "he can legally purchase this firearm". This was not a shadowy gun show purchase, this was not a gun he stole from a family member, this was not a gun that he picked up from a drug dealer down the street. This was a gun that he was able to purchase at a gun store, pass the background check for, and walk out of the store with.
If the only answer to that is "well, he lied" then there is no point to doing background checks of any kind since that is the point of them: to catch people who are trying to buy a gun and who are lying about being able to purchase it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 17:21:12
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I wonder what it would take to actually make the American voting populace care enough to give government the political capital it takes to push reforms that actually make a difference.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 18:17:30
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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d-usa wrote:I don't know if it is being obtuse, but the whole point of having a centralized database that checks the information is because most reasonable people expect that some people will lie and that is why we have the NCIS system instead of just keeping post it notes with "it's totes legal for me to buy a gun" that are kept in a shoe box underneath the register.
It was a legal purchase in that his information was given to NICS and the system was not aware of any of his huge background that everybody else was able to pull together in less than 24 hours and NICS saying "he can legally purchase this firearm". This was not a shadowy gun show purchase, this was not a gun he stole from a family member, this was not a gun that he picked up from a drug dealer down the street. This was a gun that he was able to purchase at a gun store, pass the background check for, and walk out of the store with.
If the only answer to that is "well, he lied" then there is no point to doing background checks of any kind since that is the point of them: to catch people who are trying to buy a gun and who are lying about being able to purchase it.
If I 'm correct in my understanding then lying about his mental health and involuntary commitment was a safe gamble for him as it is covered by HIPPA. However the arson, domestic violence convictions and restraining order should have been flagged by the NICS, and that should have resulted in a failed background check.
So while we can discuss how to better integrate the HIPPA records into NICS without breaching patient confidentiality, the fact remains that there are other factors outside HIPPA that should have prevented him passing a background check. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote:I wonder what it would take to actually make the American voting populace care enough to give government the political capital it takes to push reforms that actually make a difference.
What reforms do you think could have a difference in this case?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 18:42:38
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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But he passed the check, which is what people are saying when talking about him "legally" buying a weapon. How many people in this thread casually made "it will be interesting to see how he got the gun" comments fully expecting it to be a gun purchased in the shadow somewhere because they "knew" that he couldn't pass a background check?
They system in place, hailed as "good enough" for quite a while, simply wasn't. We have spend the last decade agreeing that mental health records need to be integrated better into the system, but nothing has been done about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 18:44:44
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Ouze wrote:I wonder what it would take to actually make the American voting populace care enough to give government the political capital it takes to push reforms that actually make a difference.
What reforms do you think could have a difference in this case?
In this specific case, presuming that NICS failed: If proper flags had been raised, this person wouldn't have been able to lawfully buy a gun. Why did NICS fail in this case, and in the previous case with Dylann Roof? Was it a technical failure? Is it a funding issue? Is it poorly written legislation? Is it understaffing? Is there a hole, legally speaking, regarding mental health reporting? I don't know the answers to those questions, but assuming that NICS did fail, that seems like a good place to start.
I read a news article the other day about SSA drafting a plan to, when approproate, report people to NICS when they are on Social Security Disability for reasons of mental impairment; i.e. people who are eligible to receive disability because of mental issues so severe they cannot work (or fully work). By any RAW interpretation, this would count as a mentally deficient adjudication... right?
So of course, the right-wing lie-o-sphere is reporting it as " Obama's secret plan to block seniors from owning guns", and the people who actually read Brietbart aren't inclined to read to deeply, and old people vote, so this will surely get shut down even though it has sweet fethall to do with senior citizens on Social Security.
And the wheel keeps on turning.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 18:47:45
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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How many states are fully sharing their records with the federal database? How are the records stored by the states? Are counties sharing them properly with the state itself? How are they transmitted? Are there difference in definitions that might prevent state convictions from properly flagging the federal system?
Plenty of areas for reform and improvements.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 18:56:50
Subject: Louisiana Theater Shooting
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d-usa wrote:But he passed the check, which is what people are saying when talking about him "legally" buying a weapon. How many people in this thread casually made "it will be interesting to see how he got the gun" comments fully expecting it to be a gun purchased in the shadow somewhere because they "knew" that he couldn't pass a background check?
They system in place, hailed as "good enough" for quite a while, simply wasn't. We have spend the last decade agreeing that mental health records need to be integrated better into the system, but nothing has been done about it.
One freak who falls through the cracks doesn't mean the system has failed.
Plus, he actually would not have been able to purchase the gun legally. Someone somewhere made a mistake in the system. That doesn't make his purchase legal. It means it was not correctly flagged.
And it doesn't change that the vast majority of guns used in illegal acts are themselves illegally acquired.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 18:59:45
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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People falling through the cracks and then going on spree killings is pretty much the dictionary definition of the system failing.
If the system has cracks that is a problem with the system.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 19:06:12
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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The Conquerer
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Ouze wrote:People falling through the cracks and then going on spree killings is pretty much the dictionary definition of the system failing.
If the system has cracks that is a problem with the system.
Spree killings are responsible for an insanely tiny portion of murders that they really can be ignored. And certainly you shouldn't base any legislation on them.
And its certainly no basis for infringing on the constitutional rights of everyone, just because an insanely tiny portion of murders have certain characteristics.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 19:14:32
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Grey Templar wrote:Ouze wrote:People falling through the cracks and then going on spree killings is pretty much the dictionary definition of the system failing.
If the system has cracks that is a problem with the system.
Spree killings are responsible for an insanely tiny portion of murders that they really can be ignored. And certainly you shouldn't base any legislation on them.
And its certainly no basis for infringing on the constitutional rights of everyone, just because an insanely tiny portion of murders have certain characteristics.
You're moving the goalposts from "the system works".
Also, not sure when anyone suggested the latter element of your argument.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 19:16:31
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Even a working system will have flaws. You can't make a perfect system, at least without infringing on everyones rights.
And you know darn well this is going to go there. Heading it off ahead of time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 19:18:44
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Grey Templar wrote:Even a working system will have flaws. You can't make a perfect system, at least without infringing on everyones rights.
While we can't make a perfect system, it's readily apparent that the one we have now could be improved. I reject your fallacious argument that we only have 2 poor choices available to us, a system that doesn't work well, or one that infringes everyone's rights.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 19:29:32
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Ok, how would your proposed system prevent this from happening?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 19:38:39
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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You yourself concede that he "fell through the cracks" and that "someone somewhere made a mistake in the system". We can start by looking at how to fix that.
There are plenty of totally avoidable mistakes here as well. We can start with fixing some of the root causes that contributed to that, as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 19:41:58
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Fair enough, but really thats not improving the system. Its just making sure its working as intended. That means just making sure the people making the checks are doing their jobs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/25 19:43:01
Subject: Re:Louisiana Theater Shooting
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Well, enforcing existing gun laws would help
Streamlining the system be huge factor
Seems 20 of 22 Gun Laws are not enforced
http://content.thirdway.org/publications/10/AGS_Report_-_The_Enforcement_Gap_-_Federal_Gun_Laws_Ignored.pdf
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