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I think GW's hoping they can build a rabid, impulse-buying fan base. Everything can be gone in a flash, so you better get it while you can! Buy, Kirby demands it!!

Baleful Realmgates comes in a box just like Plasma Obliterator (same size), and is also sprue free. There are a couple of plastic dividers, and the other pieces are in baggies. Value-wise -- it's a pretty big piece, I guess, and you get 2 gates.

I picked one up, should have grabbed an extra, I guess. They're eBay gold atm >.<

I think that these are done as LE's because if GW kept them on the shelf as regular they end up not selling much after the launch window. Unlike the Archway (which is modular and can be used to build structure), there is no reason to ever buy a second pair of them, too. Well, unless you wanted to play with 4 of 'em

If you go down to GW today, they should have some in for you to buy :-)

First they are expensive and pointless, now they did not make enough of them and needed to be none limited : -) GW is always wrong for some reason.

bitethythumb wrote:
First they are expensive and pointless, now they did not make enough of them and needed to be none limited : -) GW is always wrong for some reason.

Maybe it's not the same people saying contradictory things but in fact two different groups saying one or the other. *gasp*

 Bottle wrote:

bitethythumb wrote:
First they are expensive and pointless, now they did not make enough of them and needed to be none limited : -) GW is always wrong for some reason.

Maybe it's not the same people saying contradictory things but in fact two different groups saying one or the other. *gasp*

or maybe it is *double gasp*

Ok. My store said the accident in the Chunnel burnt up the majority of the orders in the states. Only a few stores received their stock.

 Bottle wrote:

bitethythumb wrote:
First they are expensive and pointless, now they did not make enough of them and needed to be none limited : -) GW is always wrong for some reason.

Maybe it's not the same people saying contradictory things but in fact two different groups saying one or the other. *gasp*

Some people are saying both, but it's actually not contradictory. Essentially, it comes down to, "Gosh this is expensive and stupid, but GW is even MORE stupid for making them LE since they've sold out!"

Not that I agree with either part -- It actually has an intelligent game function (go through one, come out the other), it's a nice piece of substantially sized game terrain, and I was one of the guys who said, "gee that looks cool" when the first photos came out of years in the Warhammer Fantasy Battle context (and it wasn't for sale).

GW making terrain a LE run is not something that offends me at all. There is so much 40k and WHFB terrain that stores just can't keep it all, and past the launch window, the nonmodular stuff sits on the shelf forever. What I think GW *should* do is make a sufficiently large initial run, and have a little left over, rather than not enough, and have people go crazy on eBay.

Though I have seriously considered ebaying some stuff, like my second Plasma Obliterator and Void Shield Generator. They're just gonna sit on the shelf til I die anyhow, unless a buddy needs one. Well, maybe not the Obliterator... I guess I could imagine a scenario with two.

I don't mind if it's Limited (although I think it's a bad decision by GW) - it's that they didn't advertise it as limited so that people could act quicker to get one if they want one.

Orangecoke wrote:
I don't mind if it's Limited (although I think it's a bad decision by GW) - it's that they didn't advertise it as limited so that people could act quicker to get one if they want one.

I think this is where they fall down a bit. Now people are thinking "SH!T, I should've got that secretly limited terrain instead of two boxes of *whatever*!"

Yeah, they should definitely mention that LE stuff is LE, so that people can make intelligent buying decisions. If I had to choose, I would buy Baleful Realgates now, and Ophidian Archway in the future. Or even the big book in the future.

Perhaps the LE stuff will be in odd size boxes in the future. These boxes don't conform to the standard GW box sizes that match the shipping cartons -- which take 1 big box across (AoS Starter), or divisions of half width box (Ophidian Archway), and then quarter width box (Sigmarites). And obviously the double/triple/quadruple variant thicknesses that ensure they pack all rectangular-like.

Now that I have both sets, I have to say - the "cheaper made" (not on sprues) Realmgates assemble much nicer than the Arch does. The arch corner/column areas dont assemble nice and crisply imo which is a shame.

Orangecoke wrote:
I don't mind if it's Limited (although I think it's a bad decision by GW) - it's that they didn't advertise it as limited so that people could act quicker to get one if they want one.

I think that's exactly the problem. It just seems dishonest, or at best, misleading.

Spoke to my local GW manager who spoke to their support team. The realm gates are not officially 'Limited Edition', but they are limited stock - which translates as 'once they're gone, we don't know when there will be more'.
what makes it weirder is that apparently the archway is standard stock, despite the realm gates looking to be the basis of the fluff for the universe...

Chances are the Dragon Statue thingy will be limited stock too then.

Guessing that way because they were both seen in the Triumph & Treachery book and so have been kicking about for ages.

What GW have done with the Realm Gates is a short run of perhaps 10,000 units (this is a guess) that they are confident they can sell out. This fixes their costs and limits their liability if sales fall short.

By not announcing the kit as Limited Edition, GW can do another run if they think it will sell.

In the meantime, the OOS status of this and other kits will help generate a Nintendo like fervour among GW fans to buy the new hotness ASAP before it runs out. Plus, when people realise it is a fixed run some of them will buy several copies to have some to flip on eBay for massive personal profits. I did this with Space Hulk 3rd edition, bought three copies and flipped to of them for 40% profit margin. This frankly ticket tout behaviour helps the print run sell out, which is good news for GW of course.

The mystery is why they did not do the same thing with the other terrain kits.

It might be something to do with the way the Realm Gate mouldings are cut off sprue and packed, probably by hand, which is more expensive. The other kits are machine packed.

Maybe they are a stop gap between the AoS release and new GW made plastic AoS aesthetic terrain kits.

I'll miss the Garden of Morr but a new range of WHF terrain in place of the last lot of frankly mediocre kits would be welcome.

 toasteroven wrote:

Orangecoke wrote:
I don't mind if it's Limited (although I think it's a bad decision by GW) - it's that they didn't advertise it as limited so that people could act quicker to get one if they want one.

I think that's exactly the problem. It just seems dishonest, or at best, misleading.

Every time something somewhere goes out of stock, its dishonest?

My local offie didn't have my favourite brew on the shelf and didn't advertise it as a limited edition. How misleading and dishonest of them. At least until they restock.

GW have often released special kits as splash releases.

For example when the 4th edition Tau codex came out the new (at the time) Piranha vehicle was available in a discounted box of three as a splash release.

It was a good buy if you bought it straight away but once the package had sold through it was never repeated, but you could get the Piranha in a single vehicle kit, still available today.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:

Orangecoke wrote:
I don't mind if it's Limited (although I think it's a bad decision by GW) - it's that they didn't advertise it as limited so that people could act quicker to get one if they want one.

I think that's exactly the problem. It just seems dishonest, or at best, misleading.

Every time something somewhere goes out of stock, its dishonest?

My local offie didn't have my favourite brew on the shelf and didn't advertise it as a limited edition. How misleading and dishonest of them. At least until they restock.

No, that's not what I said. If a company releases something in a limited run and does not inform their customers of that limitation, that is misleading. If that's what happened here, it is potentially dishonest. That's it.

Went back onto the US site and it says "Temporarily out of stock", when I looked previously it "No longer available", they have changed the wording after the fact.

I see the Witch Tor building has been discontinued and dozens of other buildings have disappeared as well.

 toasteroven wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:

Orangecoke wrote:
I don't mind if it's Limited (although I think it's a bad decision by GW) - it's that they didn't advertise it as limited so that people could act quicker to get one if they want one.

I think that's exactly the problem. It just seems dishonest, or at best, misleading.

Every time something somewhere goes out of stock, its dishonest?

My local offie didn't have my favourite brew on the shelf and didn't advertise it as a limited edition. How misleading and dishonest of them. At least until they restock.

No, that's not what I said. If a company releases something in a limited run and does not inform their customers of that limitation, that is misleading. If that's what happened here, it is potentially dishonest. That's it.

Well what does it mean?

If GW decide to make 10,000 units in one run, and keep the tooling in store in case they might decide to make more in the future, are they obliged to tell people there is a limited run? Technically it isn't a limited run, as there is no promise to to limit the total number of units manufactured.

When Space Hulk was brought out in a 3rd edition, GW announced in advance there was a limited supply and it would not be reprinted. Later on they reprinted it with some small changes to make a v3.1, which technically was a new edition, but it still made some people angry.

 toasteroven wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:

Orangecoke wrote:
I don't mind if it's Limited (although I think it's a bad decision by GW) - it's that they didn't advertise it as limited so that people could act quicker to get one if they want one.

I think that's exactly the problem. It just seems dishonest, or at best, misleading.

Every time something somewhere goes out of stock, its dishonest?

My local offie didn't have my favourite brew on the shelf and didn't advertise it as a limited edition. How misleading and dishonest of them. At least until they restock.

No, that's not what I said. If a company releases something in a limited run and does not inform their customers of that limitation, that is misleading. If that's what happened here, it is potentially dishonest. That's it.

If its not announced as a limited run, why do you assume its a limited run? Because they ran out of stock? In which case, my favourite brew must have been an unannounced limited run as well. The dishonest CADS

Realmgates back in stock, yo! http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Baleful-Realmgates

_Tim?

(Srsly, guys, did you honestly think that GW would make terrain this key to the fluff of AoS a limited release? Like, I get that monumental, irrational pessimism is a thing with wargamers, but come on.)

Ok! I was completely wrong in my assumptions, and should not have made them.

Sorry about that.