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Hi, I'm trying to build a SM deathstar list and this is what I've come up with.

I plan on tanking all of the non-ap2 wounds on my chapter master.

Chapter Master
Artificer
Bike
Power Fist
Shield Eternal
Auspex
250

Ko'Sarro Khan
150

Rune Priest
Bike
Runic Axe
Lvl 2
Runic armor
130

Iron Priest
4x Cyber Wolves
Bike
Thunderwolf
185

Iron Priest
4x Cyber Wolves
Bike
Thunderwolf
185

Command Squad
Bikes
Apothecary
Grav Gunx4
Storm Shieldsx4
Melta Bombsx4
260

Drop Pod
10x Tactical Marines
Melta
185

Rhino
8x Tactical Marines
Flamer
152

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1497

Are the space wolves from a company of the great wolf detachment? I find lists easier to read when they are split up by detachment/formation.

Why arent the space wolves riding wolves?

I re-formatted the list to keep the formation separate if that helps.

There just aren't enough points for wolves. Didn't feel I needed the extra defense they provide as opposed to a bike.

the wolves also add extra offense as well, as they add and extra attack, strength and rending. You could always drop the tac squads down to 5 a peice to pay for it.

The tac squads are an odd size in general, wouldnt it be better to have 2 10s and 1 5 if you wanted to keep that many? at least it would give you the option to combat squad at times.

Yeah the Wolves want Thunderwolves and the Lord want Runic Armour and a Storm Shield too. Drop tac marines down to 5 men should cover most of it. In general though I prefer Ravenwings take on this list.

Why a relic blade instead of a thunder hammer or fist? The s8 and ap2 is invaluable.

All the SW characters should definitely be on Thunderwolf mounts. Makes them better in pretty much every way. Also a dearhstat that big without Hit and Run is just asking to be tarpitted by a cheaper deathstar with more support

 Crazyterran wrote:
Why a relic blade instead of a thunder hammer or fist? The s8 and ap2 is invaluable.

Or better yet PF/LC seeing as the gorgon's chain doesn't take a weapon slot.

 astro_nomicon wrote:
All the SW characters should definitely be on Thunderwolf mounts. Makes them better in pretty much every way. Also a dearhstat that big without Hit and Run is just asking to be tarpitted by a cheaper deathstar with more support

this +1, Str10 compared to Str8 is huge, particularly against stuff like an Imperial Knights, or other T5 models (Thunderwolves, Plague Drones, SmashFether, SE CM all spring to mind) .

 Crazyterran wrote:
Why a relic blade instead of a thunder hammer or fist? The s8 and ap2 is invaluable.

So I have someone that can fight challenges, I already have over 10 powerfist attacks in the squad as is.

It's easy to say put things on thunderwolves, obviously they are better than bikes, but tough to make cuts in a list that's easy to imbalance. T Wolves are 50 just for the mount per Iron Priest. Not worth it.


Made some changes based off of suggestions. Added a Wulfen Stone for furious charge and Khan for reroll LD and a great ap3 challenger. Replaced the Wolf Lord and a Libby for a Rune Priest just for points efficiency.

 Aijec wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Why a relic blade instead of a thunder hammer or fist? The s8 and ap2 is invaluable.

So I have someone that can fight challenges, I already have over 10 powerfist attacks in the squad as is.

It's easy to say put things on thunderwolves, obviously they are better than bikes, but tough to make cuts in a list that's easy to imbalance. T Wolves are 50 just for the mount per Iron Priest. Not worth it.


Made some changes based off of suggestions. Added a Wulfen Stone for furious charge and Khan for reroll LD and a great ap3 challenger. Replaced the Wolf Lord and a Libby for a Rune Priest just for points efficiency.

Nope. TW mounts are totally worth it. +1W +2S +1A and Rending are all totally worth the additional points. I know its hard to find the points at 1500, but its totally worth it.


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The huge bases of TWC also make big multi charges easier to accomplish which is something a list like this MUST do if you are going to beat savvy opponents.


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Just drop Khan. you dont really need scout that badly

The issue your star has is that Knights (both Wraith and Imperial) run over it due to only having 11 S8 attacks. Yes you can deal with 1 Knight over the course of 2 rounds, but 2 will most likely wipe the unit and 3 or more is an autowin against you. Thunderwolves really help solve this problem.

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 Aijec wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Why a relic blade instead of a thunder hammer or fist? The s8 and ap2 is invaluable.

So I have someone that can fight challenges, I already have over 10 powerfist attacks in the squad as is.

It's easy to say put things on thunderwolves, obviously they are better than bikes, but tough to make cuts in a list that's easy to imbalance. T Wolves are 50 just for the mount per Iron Priest. Not worth it.


Made some changes based off of suggestions. Added a Wulfen Stone for furious charge and Khan for reroll LD and a great ap3 challenger. Replaced the Wolf Lord and a Libby for a Rune Priest just for points efficiency.

Nope. TW mounts are totally worth it. +1W +2S +1A and Rending are all totally worth the additional points. I know its hard to find the points at 1500, but its totally worth it.


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The huge bases of TWC also make big multi charges easier to accomplish which is something a list like this MUST do if you are going to beat savvy opponents.


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Just drop Khan. you dont really need scout that badly

Scout is necessary for this list to function. We wouldln't have a chance in hammer & anvil deployment without that 12'' initial movement. He also fulfills the role of ap3 challenger and provides game against MC's with his weapon. Also he will be the warlord as his trait is a necessary tool for death stars in one form or another. On top of all that he gives us extra wound to allocate to.

I'll think about dropping a tac squad for the wolves. It's 50 per wound/2 strng/1 attack though. The biggest reason for me is to provide another source of 2+FNP LOS'able models.