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Hi guys. Firsttime playing since back in 5th and still trying to get my head round all the changes the latest edition has brought with it. Any C&C on this 'just for fun' list more than welcome :

HQ
DP - MoN, Wings, Armour, Lvl3 with spell familiar

Troops
10 Cultists - shotgun on champ, flamer
10 Cultists - shotgun on champ, flamer

Elite
8 Noise Marines - Doom Siren on champ, 1 blast master, 6 sonic blasters

Heavy
3 MoN Oblits with VotLW
Predator - AC/LC with havoc launcher

Wanted to use the NMs as there seems a lot more cover saves than i remember - and I was going to try for some summoning for the DP to bolster the ranks.
Any advice for a born again noob would be very helpful

Believe me, I understand your 5th ed mind set but our old trick wont work here anymore.

you are only generating 3 wc and it req 3 wc so your chances maybe low.

A ML3 sorc with spell fam is only 125 pts. So getting 2 will double your wc from 3 to 6 and cost less than one flying dp. A flying dp must switch from swoop to glide before being able to charge. Otherwise you are nearlh paying 300pts to summon daemons near the enemy so they can shoot them.

People will tell you to take drakes. Just know it no linger longer has the 360° flame stuff behind it ability. Also its vector strike is reduced.

Yeah I had read that the Drakes has got nerfed. Seems a big shame as it looked like the one go to unit for CSM took a big hit. One positive for me is that i didn't play in 6th so what I never had i will never miss :-)

I'll look to play round with the HQ then - what about the rest of the army, any recommendations?

Well we cant do lash princes and now out dp are over costed.

Just get the Dark Vengeance Chosen who has his helmet off and has a Stave.

Sorcs with Force Staves/Muals get +2str and ap4. You have to burn a wc to activate force weaponry. If you are lucky enough to get Biomancy then you can get the power to add +3 str and toughness.

If I did not plan on summoning deamons then I would take 2 sorcs, ml3, spell fam, and bike and escort them in a squad of spawns with MoN for that majority t6. Some tines i get lucky with endurance from Biomancy which gives them a fnp. Sometimes i get cursed earth and they all get 4++. The 2nd sorc can summon.

However all this craziness is too much for a new player understanding 7th ed. Get used to the 7th ed rules then delve into the new psychic system.

Why is it so popular to take cultists theae days over csm?

 sumi808 wrote:
Why is it so popular to take cultists theae days over csm?

CSM suck and cultists are a cheap troop choice. That way you spent minimal points on our worst slot.

Give that Prince the black mace!... A nurgle prince with the mace is one of the scariest units we can bring.

 sumi808 wrote:
Why is it so popular to take cultists theae days over csm?

1. For the points, Plague Marines have easier access to special weapons while being significantly tougher (5 bodies with T5 3+/5+++ is MUCH better than 10 bodies with 3+)
2. Noise Marines have a decent Heavy Weapon (though ridiculously expensive)
3. Vanilla Marines are more likely to break than those two and run away
4. Cultists are cheap enough that you don't care what happens to them, and therefore you can hold them in reserve and not have dead points

There's just no win for Vanilla Marines. In fact, the only advantage they have over Tactical Marines is that they get two Special Weapons. That's it. Even then, Loyalists get the Grav Cannon which kinda operates the same SOOOO...

run barbones cultists, no shotgun no flamer, if you want vanilla marines (which are ok if you take them in 20 man squads with iov or votlw with two flamers, or 5 man squad msu with one melta or plasma in a rhino with havoc launcher) then for your predator ( which in my opinon is second best to obliterators) take auto cannon, heavy bolter sponsons and havoc launcher with warpflame gargoyles, which provide the dakka, nurgle daemon prince with the black mace... enough said, try to run two squads of 5 noise marines with no sonic blasters and one blastmaster, with this list you MIGHT win, thats how bad this csm codex is, sorry for being a bummer

Things that bad then huh?

Any rumours of a new Codex at all?

Searched high and low, the next codex is tau, and there are some rumors of tzeentch daemonkin to make chaos better we have to look at fw but I really don't like ia13 so we just have to wait and pray

-v10mega wrote:
Searched high and low, the next codex is tau, and there are some rumors of tzeentch daemonkin to make chaos better we have to look at fw but I really don't like ia13 so we just have to wait and pray

-v10mega wrote:
but I really don't like ia13 so we just have to wait and pray

-v10mega wrote:
I really don't like ia13

-v10mega wrote:
don't like ia13

LET LOOSE THE HOUNDS! WE HAVE A CLOSET LOYALIST HERE!