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 Azreal13 wrote:
Oh, I see, so the intention is I buy a bunch of stuff I'm ultimately not going to use?

Because that's cheaper?

It's especially funny because two years ago he asked:

 En Excelsis wrote:
Another of my work mates has recently shown interest in playing WH40k. He just picked up the Imperial Guard Cadian Battleforce and is wondering how to best configure his units, what load-outs work best, etc.

So why didn't he tell his friend that he was starting 40k wrong?

RoninXiC wrote:
So thats like 2 packs of shoulderpads?

No, warlord titan and extra stuff...

May the emperor have mercy... lol

 Talys wrote:
By the way, rules aren't really $100. You can easily get the mini softcover for a lot less (free to $30), and it is exactly identical.

You missed the point. Ebay is not the expected way to get started in the game, at least not to GW. They want you to buy a $85 rulebook, a $50 codex, a $30 HQ, and two $40 troops. And that is just to get in on the ground floor. If the paperback rulebook was what they wanted you to buy, it would be on their website separately. The Starter Set is a good value, but only if you want to start Dark Angels(using out of date rules, no less) or Chaos(because nothing gets someone to stay in the hobby more than playing the worst army and losing all of the time).

This is why I think each army needs a starter set of its own that comes with the mini rulebook, an HQ, and two Troops plus all the rules you need to run those basic things (a mini codex with limited options), and sell it for $100. This would have the actual kits you buy off the shelf, just in an easy starter package.

RoninXiC wrote:
And I could go out and find on in my garbage bin FOR FREE!!!!
Is that really the argument?
New players WILL not go for ebay but the most standard approach is to buy the big rulebook.

Dude... They are on the shelves of many independents. Stores will give people $10-$15 for them, and sell it for twice that, and many players just give them away.

I've given away (free) 7 copies of mini softcover rules, all to random people who wanted to start 40k.

 infinite_array wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Oh, I see, so the intention is I buy a bunch of stuff I'm ultimately not going to use?

Because that's cheaper?

It's especially funny because two years ago he asked:

 En Excelsis wrote:
Another of my work mates has recently shown interest in playing WH40k. He just picked up the Imperial Guard Cadian Battleforce and is wondering how to best configure his units, what load-outs work best, etc.

So why didn't he tell his friend that he was starting 40k wrong?

In his defence, you can always sell all the models in a starter set. As for the second tho he posted a couple years ago, opinions do change. People find more efficient ways of starting and stuff I suppose

Well actually it cannot be bought on the GW page.. so it is not available.

And no, whatever your strange store does.. it just cannot be used at the "normal" way to start 40k.

If you don#t want any of the startersets, you HAVE TO BUY THE 50 Pounds rulebook.

Price barriers actually exist. AoS, whether you like the game or not, represents a corporate admittance that there exists a barrier to entry in the game. In AoS, they've completely removed the $80-$100 price tag from entry allowing potential newcomers the ability to focus on what GW has always said they want to be the best at, the models. So in essence, there's a reduced barrier for entry into the fantasy version of their game. If successful with AoS, I fully expect this to happen to 40K; and if we're all honest, they've already tested the waters with formations and data-slates.

Back to the main topic.

I think where GW fails, and was admitted to in the CEO's statement, is in drawing in new blood. What they are hard-headed about is realizing why that is. Everyone knows the old adage, you have to spend money to make money and GW would rather pay dividends (thank you) than invest in growth opportunities. Scaling back stores, draconian trade practices, expensive rebrandings, lawsuits, etc. None of these will lead to long-term stability and growth. Cost cutting is great and they've really done a good job of cutting some things that were weighing them down BUT there's always the danger of cutting too much, too close to the bone and hitting an artery; the result is hemorrhaging market share and sales. They've applied a tourniquet but it took them pulling out every tool that they have in their bag to do; now it's just a matter of time to see if they've able to stave off infection or they'll wind up having to amputate (close the retail arm).

Well, maybe GW is right, that they put out good looking models and we will buy them.
I just hope they eventually figure out that to get more money out of us is put out better game rules so I will buy more than one pack of them.

It does look like from reading the report they have avoided a fair number of expenses other than the usual costs of production dies for new plastic.
The review of product will be interesting as "threatened", with what in mind will the review be other than possibly stock turns?

I keep thinking of the store changes / structuring as just a distraction: they have committed strongly to the path at hand.

It will be interesting to see how they plan to get into more mainstream market placement: I will believe it when I see it, they do not like to share with anyone.

Funny, this is more personal anecdotal evidence but the GW models are getting bought much less by me, just got a "Bolt Action" army starter.
I think I will always see what GW is up to but there is less I want from them and it is not because I have "enough" models: for any system you never can have enough.
Pick-up games are becoming more important to me and I am playing the games that are more successful in that.

 Talys wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
And I could go out and find on in my garbage bin FOR FREE!!!!
Is that really the argument?
New players WILL not go for ebay but the most standard approach is to buy the big rulebook.

Dude... They are on the shelves of many independents. Stores will give people $10-$15 for them, and sell it for twice that, and many players just give them away.

I've given away (free) 7 copies of mini softcover rules, all to random people who wanted to start 40k.

Hell, I have one for the previous edition that I was given... after I said I wasn't interested! (I swear... some gamers are like Chick tracts in reverse....)

So, yeah, it does happen.


For no better reason than 'because'.

The Auld Grump

 Talizvar wrote:


Funny, this is more personal anecdotal evidence but the GW models are getting bought much less by me, just got a "Bolt Action" army starter.
I think I will always see what GW is up to but there is less I want from them and it is not because I have "enough" models: for any system you never can have enough.
Pick-up games are becoming more important to me and I am playing the games that are more successful in that.

Talk about a marketing ploy. I just bought the rulebook for the free box of infantry that Warlord's offering right now; guess who just started a Russian force in Bolt Action?

 agnosto wrote:
Price barriers actually exist. AoS, whether you like the game or not, represents a corporate admittance that there exists a barrier to entry in the game. In AoS, they've completely removed the $80-$100 price tag from entry allowing potential newcomers the ability to focus on what GW has always said they want to be the best at, the models. So in essence, there's a reduced barrier for entry into the fantasy version of their game. If successful with AoS, I fully expect this to happen to 40K; and if we're all honest, they've already tested the waters with formations and data-slates.

Back to the main topic.

I think where GW fails, and was admitted to in the CEO's statement, is in drawing in new blood. What they are hard-headed about is realizing why that is. Everyone knows the old adage, you have to spend money to make money and GW would rather pay dividends (thank you) than invest in growth opportunities. Scaling back stores, draconian trade practices, expensive rebrandings, lawsuits, etc. None of these will lead to long-term stability and growth. Cost cutting is great and they've really done a good job of cutting some things that were weighing them down BUT there's always the danger of cutting too much, too close to the bone and hitting an artery; the result is hemorrhaging market share and sales. They've applied a tourniquet but it took them pulling out every tool that they have in their bag to do; now it's just a matter of time to see if they've able to stave off infection or they'll wind up having to amputate (close the retail arm).

Marketing is a funny creature. On one hand, you want to have a quality product that "sells itself" right? I mean, if everyone has a need for what you're making, than they're going to buy it regardless of how well it end up being received. I don't know many people who would call McDonald's a quality establishment, but close to a billion people eat there everyday.

But tabletop miniatures aren't a necessity like food the appeal has to be much greater... you've got to convince people to buy them. They have to be good in their own right, and justifiable in their price, as well as desirable to the target audience. GW honestly hits the first two points pretty well... they make fine models and sell them at a price that people have historically been willing to pay. What they are losing now is the desirability of the product. People simply don't want buy them. Raise the price, lower it... honestly not going to have an effect. Look at the Amazon Fire Phone... Started out at $699 because it was a 'premium' handset with lots of options... it didn't sell because people had no interest. then they packaged it with other services.... still didn't sell. Right now you can get one NEW for around $100 and they still aren't moving any product. The price - even when lowered DRAMATICALLY, doesn't fix the problem of no one wanting to buy them.

Every marketing pundit who posts about how GW could 'stop the bleeding' if they just changed the pricing scheme is really just off the reservation in terms of what they know about marketing.

The best way to look at it is to take a queue from Evil Inc (aka Apple). This company has basically been selling polished turds for 30 years. They make old technology that is outperformed by everyone else in their industry, and they charge a premium price... but they move product like crazy. And how do they achieve this? Marketing... they have mass appeal. Loyal fans...

GW has no loyal fans because they've burned them all. The game we all loved in the 90s is just gone.. now it's something else. We keep playing because we remember it fondly, but when new blood sees it - they don't have our rosy perspective. They see it for what it is - a gimmick. Nothing at all like what they say it is?

Grimdark? Show me?
Gritty? Show me!
Playable? OMFG Show me already!?

They want their house back in order - they want their sales to pick up - it's time to restore image. The products and the prices have less to do with their success than how likely you or I are to recommend them to our buddies

I find it interesting that the report claims:

We design, manufacture, distribute and sell our fantasy miniatures and related products. These are fantasy miniatures from our own Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer universes. Our factory, main distribution centre and back office support functions are all based in Nottingham

Yet if that were true, why do GW products have "Made in China" on them if they are made in Nottingham?

Manufacture We are proud to manufacture our product in Nottingham. It's where we started and where we intend to stay. During the year we have been planning a project to up grade our core IT systems that interface with our manufacturing equipment and system

Again no mention of the China stamped onto every hard book and plastic kits.


The strategies outlined seem a losing deal to me. the reason they lost so much in America is that 1man stores means less ability to handle multiple customers who come in, Americans hate qeues.

The idea that they merely make great miniatures shows they have no intentions of making well polished rules sets, just some slapped together words to make it look like a game system, but it is just a ploy to try and sell minis, mins which can be quite unaffordable. I am glad I got my Landraiders when they were 50bucks, not the new 80USD price they are now. Sad about the Riptide and it's near 100USD cost.

When you think Resin prices will work for plastics you've lost touch with reality.

Their plastic kits are all made in Nottingham, save some of the scenery I think.

 agnosto wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:


Funny, this is more personal anecdotal evidence but the GW models are getting bought much less by me, just got a "Bolt Action" army starter.
I think I will always see what GW is up to but there is less I want from them and it is not because I have "enough" models: for any system you never can have enough.
Pick-up games are becoming more important to me and I am playing the games that are more successful in that.

Talk about a marketing ploy. I just bought the rulebook for the free box of infantry that Warlord's offering right now; guess who just started a Russian force in Bolt Action?

It's a great game. Though I haven't even finished assembling my russians before starting on a German force. The deal was so good I had to get it twice (so now I have 3 books...)


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Plastic kits are made in Nottingham, books come from (IIRC) China. I think that rockcore stuff was China too, but pretty much everything is made in Nottingham.

But then, so is everything from Warlord (except books), or the Perry's, and everyone who uses Renedra for plastics.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Their plastic kits are all made in Nottingham, save some of the scenery I think.

Okay, just saw the new kit of the Skits I made say Made in the UK, but they have stuff made in China, maybe they are shifting back to the UK so folks can have jobs? still, I was voicing my own opinion, and that they have this idea that they make plastics that ought to go for resin costs is delusional.

They've always made all the plastics in Nottingham.

 agnosto wrote:
Price barriers actually exist. AoS, whether you like the game or not, represents a corporate admittance that there exists a barrier to entry in the game. In AoS, they've completely removed the $80-$100 price tag from entry allowing potential newcomers the ability to focus on what GW has always said they want to be the best at, the models. So in essence, there's a reduced barrier for entry into the fantasy version of their game. If successful with AoS, I fully expect this to happen to 40K; and if we're all honest, they've already tested the waters with formations and data-slates.

Back to the main topic.

I think where GW fails, and was admitted to in the CEO's statement, is in drawing in new blood. What they are hard-headed about is realizing why that is. Everyone knows the old adage, you have to spend money to make money and GW would rather pay dividends (thank you) than invest in growth opportunities. Scaling back stores, draconian trade practices, expensive rebrandings, lawsuits, etc. None of these will lead to long-term stability and growth. Cost cutting is great and they've really done a good job of cutting some things that were weighing them down BUT there's always the danger of cutting too much, too close to the bone and hitting an artery; the result is hemorrhaging market share and sales. They've applied a tourniquet but it took them pulling out every tool that they have in their bag to do; now it's just a matter of time to see if they've able to stave off infection or they'll wind up having to amputate (close the retail arm).

I'd link the two.

I think GW isn't very good at recruiting new players because new players in 2015 are less inclined to build 100-200 model armies than 1988 players. Back then, I knew an awful lot of people who really wanted to build their giant battle force (fantasy or scifi); now a lot of those potential customers want something with a smaller time investment, if nothing else. 40k becomes a hobby for those who are really dedicated to miniatures, not for those who want to goof around with a $70 game. There are just a lot more things that give instant gratification these days (video games being at the top), that have improved by leaps and bounds. People generally also have less disposable income, work longer hours, and are a little less patient, I find.

Even though I love the game, I would not recommend 40k for a lot of people who are getting into the hobby (of miniature wargaming), because in the particular stage of their life, they just can't spend enough time, money, and energy on it to make it rewarding. It is anything but a casual hobby.

What GW has become expert at in the last decade is figuring out how to extract every possible penny out of the people who are committed 40k players -- to their maximum profit, I believe. Even in this last decade, though, I've seen several new, dedicated 40k collectors and players as well as returning players, locally, that have gone pretty crazy on models, even by my standards (I'm talking ten thousand bucks or more in a half year or less). As long as GW can have these trickling in, they'll be happy on the 40k side.

But to stay relevant, they need volume, and the universe of people who are interested in and able to blow thousands of bucks every month on GW models is small. Age of Sigmar is GW's way at addressing new player recruitment issues. So, the question is, two-fold:

1) Will Age of Sigmar succeed in recruitment?
2) Can GW build a way to recruit new 40k players, without cannibalizing the highly lucrative superfan revenue?

If they can answer those in the affirmative, the future becomes bright for them!

 En Excelsis wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Price barriers actually exist. AoS, whether you like the game or not, represents a corporate admittance that there exists a barrier to entry in the game. In AoS, they've completely removed the $80-$100 price tag from entry allowing potential newcomers the ability to focus on what GW has always said they want to be the best at, the models. So in essence, there's a reduced barrier for entry into the fantasy version of their game. If successful with AoS, I fully expect this to happen to 40K; and if we're all honest, they've already tested the waters with formations and data-slates.

Back to the main topic.

I think where GW fails, and was admitted to in the CEO's statement, is in drawing in new blood. What they are hard-headed about is realizing why that is. Everyone knows the old adage, you have to spend money to make money and GW would rather pay dividends (thank you) than invest in growth opportunities. Scaling back stores, draconian trade practices, expensive rebrandings, lawsuits, etc. None of these will lead to long-term stability and growth. Cost cutting is great and they've really done a good job of cutting some things that were weighing them down BUT there's always the danger of cutting too much, too close to the bone and hitting an artery; the result is hemorrhaging market share and sales. They've applied a tourniquet but it took them pulling out every tool that they have in their bag to do; now it's just a matter of time to see if they've able to stave off infection or they'll wind up having to amputate (close the retail arm).

Marketing is a funny creature. On one hand, you want to have a quality product that "sells itself" right? I mean, if everyone has a need for what you're making, than they're going to buy it regardless of how well it end up being received. I don't know many people who would call McDonald's a quality establishment, but close to a billion people eat there everyday.

Spoiler:

But tabletop miniatures aren't a necessity like food the appeal has to be much greater... you've got to convince people to buy them. They have to be good in their own right, and justifiable in their price, as well as desirable to the target audience. GW honestly hits the first two points pretty well... they make fine models and sell them at a price that people have historically been willing to pay. What they are losing now is the desirability of the product. People simply don't want buy them. Raise the price, lower it... honestly not going to have an effect. Look at the Amazon Fire Phone... Started out at $699 because it was a 'premium' handset with lots of options... it didn't sell because people had no interest. then they packaged it with other services.... still didn't sell. Right now you can get one NEW for around $100 and they still aren't moving any product. The price - even when lowered DRAMATICALLY, doesn't fix the problem of no one wanting to buy them.

Every marketing pundit who posts about how GW could 'stop the bleeding' if they just changed the pricing scheme is really just off the reservation in terms of what they know about marketing.

The best way to look at it is to take a queue from Evil Inc (aka Apple). This company has basically been selling polished turds for 30 years. They make old technology that is outperformed by everyone else in their industry, and they charge a premium price... but they move product like crazy. And how do they achieve this? Marketing... they have mass appeal. Loyal fans...

GW has no loyal fans because they've burned them all. The game we all loved in the 90s is just gone.. now it's something else. We keep playing because we remember it fondly, but when new blood sees it - they don't have our rosy perspective. They see it for what it is - a gimmick. Nothing at all like what they say it is?

Grimdark? Show me?
Gritty? Show me!
Playable? OMFG Show me already!?

They want their house back in order - they want their sales to pick up - it's time to restore image. The products and the prices have less to do with their success than how likely you or I are to recommend them to our buddies

A lot of good points here and items that management at GW has just apparently started to get a glimmer of a clue about. The problem is that they've burned so many bridges, they would have to actually put a real effort into reshaping their image to actually get anywhere and they can't talk out of one side of their mouth about reaching out to other, untapped avenues of revenue and then bask in the glory of their draconian stockist policies out of the other. Rebranding their stores "Warhammer" isn't going to do much if there isn't an actual interest in and attempt to reach consumers. You brought-up Apple as an example but look at all of the things that Apple does that GW refuses to; recognize that competition exists, advertise (oh goodness do they advertise), reach out to their customers, etc. When you buy an Apple device, you're not just buying the device, you're buying the whole Apple experience. GW would like to be there but they either don't know how to get there or have no interest in doing the legwork that Apple does to reach that plateau.

I agree, make a product that people perceive as quality and they'll pay a premium for it but GW seems to want to sit on past laurels and expects the customers to come to them while the entire industry is laughing at their games' rules and picking up their customers as they go.

 Talys wrote:

I think GW isn't very good at recruiting new players because new players in 2015 are less inclined to build 100-200 model armies than 1988 players. Back then, I knew an awful lot of people who really wanted to build their giant battle force (fantasy or scifi); now a lot of those potential customers want something with a smaller time investment, if nothing else. 40k becomes a hobby for those who are really dedicated to miniatures, not for those who want to goof around with a $70 game. There are just a lot more things that give instant gratification these days (video games being at the top), that have improved by leaps and bounds. People generally also have less disposable income, work longer hours, and are a little less patient, I find.

Even though I love the game, I would not recommend 40k for a lot of people who are getting into the hobby (of miniature wargaming), because in the particular stage of their life, they just can't spend enough time, money, and energy on it to make it rewarding. It is anything but a casual hobby.

That's pretty much nonsense, there are mini's games out there that utterly dwarf 40K for size. Admittedly, they tend to be played by the older gamers, and are priced appropriately for the scale (under $1/mini).

I think people generally want a pretty quick starting point, and the ability to expand at a rate they are happy with. For instance, in Malifaux you can be taking part in most tournament with maybe 10 mini's, but everyone attending the tournaments up here haven't stopped at that point, and most probably have enough to proxy for 40K. The difference being they could start almost straight away.

I definitely fit in the not-enough-time camp, but that's fine because there are loads of games out there that let me start with a fairly small time investment. But I reckon my Bolt Action Soviet army probably outnumbers my Imperial Guard by now.

Tragically, GW had a whole set of games that catered to that market (it's not a new one, just one GW gave away). Space Hulk, Mordheim, Necromunda, BFG, Epic, Gorkamorka.

 shasolenzabi wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Their plastic kits are all made in Nottingham, save some of the scenery I think.

Okay, just saw the new kit of the Skits I made say Made in the UK, but they have stuff made in China, maybe they are shifting back to the UK so folks can have jobs? still, I was voicing my own opinion, and that they have this idea that they make plastics that ought to go for resin costs is delusional.

It's always been made in Nottingham. And I wasn't commenting on the rest of it, just that part. I think the prices they charge for the clampack characters is insane.

they just can't spend enough time, money, and energy on it to make it rewarding. It is anything but a casual hobby.

What's that thing about any relationship worth anything shouldn't be hard?

 Azreal13 wrote:

they just can't spend enough time, money, and energy on it to make it rewarding. It is anything but a casual hobby.

What's that thing about any relationship worth anything shouldn't be hard?

There's a big difference between wanting to do something for leisure and having the time or money to go so. For example, there's no alpine skiing on the cheap, and you can't get decent at hockey without spending a lot of weekends playing. You aren't going to hit legendary on Hearthstone playing 30 minutes a night, and you're not going to enjoy 40k if you have only 5 hours a week on the hobby/game.

It doesn't make the hobby 'hard' -- it just makes it a hobby ideal for people who want something that can suck in more time. By the same token, if someone wants a modeling hobby that will keep them busy 40 hours a week building an army, WMH isn't going to be for them.

There were times in my life where I worked 100 hours a week and the only hobby time I had was at the hobby shop buying the occasional product. And then now fortunately, I have much more free time

Well, I'm European, so Alpine skiing is remarkably reasonable. However, I've never been, so are you saying I'd have to go for weeks until I start enjoying it?

Does nobody play hockey on their lawn and have a jolly time?

Does nobody play video games for fun, without completing them, let alone full mastering them?

Sure, one can perhaps find something more rewarding if one commits to it, but for that to be a requirement? That's on some commercially dodgy ground right there.

I don't see how having 5 hours a week would stop you enjoying 40k, it would just take you a while to have an army ready. And I also don't see how WMH necessarily precludes you from enjoying it if you have lots of free time, you can still spend time converting, painting, and basing a WMH army as much as a 40k one.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't see how having 5 hours a week would stop you enjoying 40k, it would just take you a while to have an army ready. And I also don't see how WMH necessarily precludes you from enjoying it if you have lots of free time, you can still spend time converting, painting, and basing a WMH army as much as a 40k one.

Of course, if you want to play your first normal sized game in 1 year, sure. Or if you want to play with grey plastic. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that I wouldn't recommend it for an optimum experience.

Likewise, if you wanted, you could paint a 150 model menoth army. But why? You'd have tons of repeat models, and it would be unplayable in a game.

It's just a question of trying to match someone who is asking for advice, with the game or modeling hobby they'd likely enjoy the most -- if they asks me, I mean.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
Well, I'm European, so Alpine skiing is remarkably reasonable. However, I've never been, so are you saying I'd have to go for weeks until I start enjoying it?

Does nobody play hockey on their lawn and have a jolly time?

Does nobody play video games for fun, without completing them, let alone full mastering them?

Sure, one can perhaps find something more rewarding if one commits to it, but for that to be a requirement? That's on some commercially dodgy ground right there.

Skiing here is pretty expensive and time consuming. You need to dedicate a day to it, and ski passes aren't cheap, nor is equipment, even if you rent most of it. And no matter what, you need relatively useful attire (not jeans...). Most people need to get to the hill too, which can be an hour or more away, requiring suitable transportation. Having done it before, I'm not a fan of bussing it.

I was referring to ice hockey. Yes, kids play hockey on the road. I haven't ever seen a lawn hockey league for adults around these parts, though one probably exists. Adult intramural level hockey is quite popular as a sport, isn't terribly expensive, but requires some dedication and time if you dint want to suck.

I'm saying: 40k is best enjoyed when one commits a decent effort to it, and what to a lot of people is a respectable amount of money (and time) towards a hobby. You can spend $20 on a video game, get bored and walk away after 2 hours. Not so with 40k.

I just did the math, and, at 20 pence a share, Kirby will be getting roughly $6600 in his dividend check.

Must be nice to be one of the people who decides what the dividend will be, when everybody else will be on a salary freeze...

 Talys wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Well, I'm European, so Alpine skiing is remarkably reasonable. However, I've never been, so are you saying I'd have to go for weeks until I start enjoying it?

Does nobody play hockey on their lawn and have a jolly time?

Does nobody play video games for fun, without completing them, let alone full mastering them?

Sure, one can perhaps find something more rewarding if one commits to it, but for that to be a requirement? That's on some commercially dodgy ground right there.

Skiing here is pretty expensive and time consuming. You need to dedicate a day to it, and ski passes aren't cheap, nor is equipment, even if you rent most of it. And no matter what, you need relatively useful attire (not jeans...). Most people need to get to the hill too, which can be an hour or more away, requiring suitable transportation. Having done it before, I'm not a fan of bussing it.

I was referring to ice hockey. Yes, kids play hockey on the road. I haven't ever seen a lawn hockey league for adults around these parts, though one probably exists. Adult intramural level hockey is quite popular as a sport, isn't terribly expensive, but requires some dedication and time if you dint want to suck.

I'm saying: 40k is best enjoyed when one commits a decent effort to it, and what to a lot of people is a respectable amount of money (and time) towards a hobby. You can spend $20 on a video game, get bored and walk away after 2 hours. Not so with 40k.

Yet again you get caught up trying to debate the minutiae of the example rather than grasping the overall intent.

I bet nothing goes over your head. I bet you would catch it.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I just did the math, and, at 20 pence a share, Kirby will be getting roughly $6600 in his dividend check.

Must be nice to be one of the people who decides what the dividend will be, when everybody else will be on a salary freeze...

I've done different math.

2.1m shares x 0.20p per share = £420 000

DakkaDakka has more economists than the LSE this is great, GW is staying number 1 and the ragers keep on raging... So when are people predicting the fall of GW now because I remember same theories of their downfall 5-7 years ago.

Anything to contribute?

bitethythumb wrote:
DakkaDakka has more economists than the LSE this is great, GW is staying number 1 and the ragers keep on raging... So when are people predicting the fall of GW now because I remember same theories of their downfall 5-7 years ago.

So you still have nothing intelligent to add to this conversations?

*Edit * Honestly Az, I don't know how you do it.

I'm not even mad anymore, its just amazing.

12 whole secs. Math is hard.