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Ok so I have been trying to keep a cool head about all this Age of Sigmar stuff. I am the only person in my current fantasy play group that hasnt just dropped the game.


My wife has started playing and she is having a good time with it.


But......


Then..... This happenes.... http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skybolt-Hailstorm

This is 10 archer dudes for $100 US.


I had to check my country of origin on my browser to make sure that I wasn't looking at AUS price.... But Nope that's $10 a model for ARCHERS!!!


I will keep my old stuff and play for sure..... but I will not be spending cash like that. Not $10 a model for ARCHERS!!


Sorry GW... I will support your game, but with this price point..... I will NOT be supporting your models.

Terminator sized models have been $10 a model from GW for quite a long time now. Not saying it's a good price, but it's not new.

I thought the same thing and checked to see if I was looking at US prices.

I wish you were looking at the Aus price. It's $170.

Its like I said at the start when people were praising GW for wanting to save people money with AoS. GW is never going to be in the business of saving us money. When a new system like AoS is released we should know by now that where ever they lose money they're going to ramp up the price of other things to make up and make it even more expensive.

So basically you can get 2 units of terminator sized minis and 2 primes and heaps of extra bits.. What is the problem exactly?


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 Los pollos hermanos wrote:
Its like I said at the start when people were praising GW for wanting to save people money with AoS. GW is never going to be in the business of saving us money. When a new system like AoS is released we should know by now that where ever they lose money they're going to ramp up the price of other things to make up and make it even more expensive.

nah people just hate GW without reading the fine print, how much would 2 units of terminators and lots of extra bits cost exactly? And do not tell me " I don't want the extra bits" you get them... Deal with it.

The problem is they're obscenely expensive and extra bits don't really do much without models to attach them to. And more to the point maybe, even if you or I are willing to pay their crazy prices it's really going to put other players off, and having other people to play with is really important in a multiplayer game.

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
The problem is they're obscenely expensive and extra bits don't really do much without models to attach them to. And more to the point maybe, even if you or I are willing to pay their crazy prices it's really going to put other players off, and having other people to play with is really important in a multiplayer game.

dude... The price is fair, how are 2 units like that expensive, I actually checked most of the 5 mini units (blightkings, forsaken etc) are about $45-50 and the extra bjts matter considering a major part of this hobby is converting /modelling...I am sure someone would love the extras to be used on other models... Remember you get 2 units in one box....2 units of 5 and 2 primes(not sure if they are separate or not)... Third time you get 2 UNITS or one large 10 unit of terminator sized minis

bitethythumb wrote:

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
The problem is they're obscenely expensive and extra bits don't really do much without models to attach them to. And more to the point maybe, even if you or I are willing to pay their crazy prices it's really going to put other players off, and having other people to play with is really important in a multiplayer game.

dude... The price is fair, how are 2 units like that expensive, I actually checked most of the 5 mini units (blightkings, forsaken etc) are about $45-50 and the extra bjts matter considering a major part of this hobby is converting /modelling...I am sure someone would love the extras to be used on other models... Remember you get 2 units in one box....2 units of 5 and 2 primes(not sure if they are separate or not)... Third time you get 2 UNITS or one large 10 unit of terminator sized minis

Did you see the price in OZ? I would not call that fair

 Chute82 wrote:

bitethythumb wrote:

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
The problem is they're obscenely expensive and extra bits don't really do much without models to attach them to. And more to the point maybe, even if you or I are willing to pay their crazy prices it's really going to put other players off, and having other people to play with is really important in a multiplayer game.

dude... The price is fair, how are 2 units like that expensive, I actually checked most of the 5 mini units (blightkings, forsaken etc) are about $45-50 and the extra bjts matter considering a major part of this hobby is converting /modelling...I am sure someone would love the extras to be used on other models... Remember you get 2 units in one box....2 units of 5 and 2 primes(not sure if they are separate or not)... Third time you get 2 UNITS or one large 10 unit of terminator sized minis

Did you see the price in OZ? I would not call that fair

you should check out the price in ¥ you will nurgle yourself all over the floor.

bitethythumb wrote:

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
The problem is they're obscenely expensive and extra bits don't really do much without models to attach them to. And more to the point maybe, even if you or I are willing to pay their crazy prices it's really going to put other players off, and having other people to play with is really important in a multiplayer game.

dude... The price is fair, how are 2 units like that expensive, I actually checked most of the 5 mini units (blightkings, forsaken etc) are about $45-50 and the extra bjts matter considering a major part of this hobby is converting /modelling...I am sure someone would love the extras to be used on other models... Remember you get 2 units in one box....2 units of 5 and 2 primes(not sure if they are separate or not)... Third time you get 2 UNITS or one large 10 unit of terminator sized minis

I've tried to think of how to explain what makes something expensive. Ultimately I think you are just going to have to take my word for it that I find them to be overly expensive for what they are. It is fine if you find them to be good value for yourself. To me, they are so expensive that I would (will, possibly) feel bad paying for them.

bitethythumb wrote:

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
The problem is they're obscenely expensive and extra bits don't really do much without models to attach them to. And more to the point maybe, even if you or I are willing to pay their crazy prices it's really going to put other players off, and having other people to play with is really important in a multiplayer game.

dude... The price is fair, how are 2 units like that expensive, I actually checked most of the 5 mini units (blightkings, forsaken etc) are about $45-50 and the extra bjts matter considering a major part of this hobby is converting /modelling...I am sure someone would love the extras to be used on other models... Remember you get 2 units in one box....2 units of 5 and 2 primes(not sure if they are separate or not)... Third time you get 2 UNITS or one large 10 unit of terminator sized minis

Can we please stop that "But there's extras in it that will totally make the price worth it!"?

It's like I'd sell you a car with 10 different seat covers you would all be forced to buy at an extremely high price.

I didn't realize they were terminator sized models.

To be honest I justified the price of a unit of terminators by looking at their points cost in the game.


With no points to limit you in this game it kind of voids out my theory there.


So could you make a rule for army size based on the retail price of the army?


Lets see if that works......


You field the 10 man unit in this box. I field around 3 units of "smaller troops dudes". Lets say high elf archers.... would my unit of 3 boxes of archers (i think that's 30 dudes) stand up to your one unit ?


I think they just may.... So I think I broke the No Points = Not Fair predicament

Just field armies that match in Retail Cost. How would GW feel if we were publishing $3,500 army tournaments.......


It makes me sad if that actually works out. (But it would make soooo much sense for GW to do stuff that way.)

bitethythumb wrote:
So basically you can get 2 units of terminator sized minis and 2 primes and heaps of extra bits.. What is the problem exactly?


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 Los pollos hermanos wrote:
Its like I said at the start when people were praising GW for wanting to save people money with AoS. GW is never going to be in the business of saving us money. When a new system like AoS is released we should know by now that where ever they lose money they're going to ramp up the price of other things to make up and make it even more expensive.

nah people just hate GW without reading the fine print, how much would 2 units of terminators and lots of extra bits cost exactly? And do not tell me " I don't want the extra bits" you get them... Deal with it.

Because they are plastic, but you next part show you really don't care about others views. So your wrong.... Deal with it.

 Sigvatr wrote:

bitethythumb wrote:

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
The problem is they're obscenely expensive and extra bits don't really do much without models to attach them to. And more to the point maybe, even if you or I are willing to pay their crazy prices it's really going to put other players off, and having other people to play with is really important in a multiplayer game.

dude... The price is fair, how are 2 units like that expensive, I actually checked most of the 5 mini units (blightkings, forsaken etc) are about $45-50 and the extra bjts matter considering a major part of this hobby is converting /modelling...I am sure someone would love the extras to be used on other models... Remember you get 2 units in one box....2 units of 5 and 2 primes(not sure if they are separate or not)... Third time you get 2 UNITS or one large 10 unit of terminator sized minis

Can we please stop that "But there's extras in it that will totally make the price worth it!"?

It's like I'd sell you a car with 10 different seat covers you would all be forced to buy at an extremely high price.

am I building cars in my house as a hobby and expanding my collection of cars? then yes those extra cover seat would come in handy especially if I will use them in another kit without those same covers... :/ your analogy is stupid.

Noir wrote:
Because they are plastic

Let's be fair, they are also a lot of design time, and factory work.
Still not worth it, but saying "they are only plastic" is unfair.

 Los pollos hermanos wrote:
Deal with it.

No, actually, I don't have to do that at all. I can just not buy them. Done.

bitethythumb wrote:

am I building cars in my house as a hobby and expanding my collection of cars? then yes those extra cover seat would come in handy especially if I will use them in another kit without those same covers... :/ your analogy is stupid.

That kit also comes with 10 types of covers. You now have 18 extra covers. This isn't going to end.

How about if you got the kit, and then you were allowed to go in the store and just buy the cover you wanted? Would that not be something you would prefer?

Noir wrote:

bitethythumb wrote:
So basically you can get 2 units of terminator sized minis and 2 primes and heaps of extra bits.. What is the problem exactly?


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 Los pollos hermanos wrote:
Its like I said at the start when people were praising GW for wanting to save people money with AoS. GW is never going to be in the business of saving us money. When a new system like AoS is released we should know by now that where ever they lose money they're going to ramp up the price of other things to make up and make it even more expensive.

nah people just hate GW without reading the fine print, how much would 2 units of terminators and lots of extra bits cost exactly? And do not tell me " I don't want the extra bits" you get them... Deal with it.

Because they are plastic, but you next part show you really don't care about others views. So your wrong.... Deal with it.

really they are plastic? my god... I thought they were made of gold and pixel dust... my mistake, carry on buying other "plastic" models for the same price... just to point out, you are paying for 2 units of terminator sized very good quality miniatures with multiple extra weapons and heads that could be used in other kits or conversion..

I could list you SEVERAL other things GW sells at the same value... for example, chaos forsaken or "blight kings" 5 man units each, multiple parts, weapons etc... about $45-50 each... that is more or less the same as this 10 man unit/2 units of 5 kit :/ I am not disagreeing with the people opinion I am just saying the "opinion" does not make sense since GW has been selling these things at similar prices for ages now and many other companies would do the same for the same price or $5 less (or have been doing as such) :/ if anything this kit is cheaper because it comes with "more" things inside them.

this post is more or less saying "OMG EVERYONE LOOK AT WHAT HAS GW BEEN SELLING FOR YEARS NOW AND I AM ONLY NOW REALIZING IT BECAUSE AoS is STUPID"

and yes I am dealing with it, I am not buying it... easy, problem solved


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How about if you got the kit, and then you were allowed to go in the store and just buy the cover you wanted? Would that not be something you would prefer?

I would prefer to buy them individually... and each mini can be made into multiple things like 1 sigmarine with heaps of weapons and heads and wings to make any model I want for any unit I want... but that is not the case, GW does what it does and we buy/spend how/what we want... capitalism, its magical

Then..... This happenes.... http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skybolt-Hailstorm

This is 10 archer dudes for $100 US.

That's unbelievable. I had to go to the link because I just couldn't believe it was possible.

Meanwhile, back in reality:

http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/us-army/products/500pts-american-army-regular-infantry

What? This isnt at all the worst prices for gw models. Look at flesh hounds, fiends of slaanesh, ironstriders, mek guns, the list goes on. Some of gw's prices are ridiculous and it's been that way for a long time. Maybe it just seems crazy to you now because it's keeping you from an exciting, new purchase?

There is a thread somewhere here about horribly overpriced models. It certainly isnt a new thing, nor is it AOS exclusive, or even stormcast eternal exclusive. This gak is expensive. I have a moral dilemma on my hand every time i feel like buying a new unit. But i stick around because i love the game and can pick away at collecting.

Maybe most of us are battered housewives of GW, but i find the stormcast eternal prices to be pretty on par with many of their other model kits and it doesnt surprise or offend me. It's business as usual.

 argonak wrote:

Then..... This happenes.... http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skybolt-Hailstorm

This is 10 archer dudes for $100 US.

That's unbelievable. I had to go to the link because I just couldn't believe it was possible.

Meanwhile, back in reality:

http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/us-army/products/500pts-american-army-regular-infantry

so i can save $23, and end up with a bunch of models that have zero aesthetic appeal, and will end up never being painted, and giving me zero enjoyment...
such a deal!!!

i'd rather have the archers...
i am a big fan of the look of the Stormcast Eternals, but have no interest in painting WWII minis...

@Noir: i would say that being in plastic is actually a benefit...
easier to clean-up, better assembly, more durable, better casting...
i am happy to see HIPS taking over the ranges, even if it does cost more to design and tool...

cheers
jah

Aren't the arms compatible with the starter box minis? So you could ebay a ton of those for dirt cheap, buy one box of the expanded kit, and then load em out with the extra bits.

But oh no! You now have a bunch of useless hammer arms

 jah-joshua wrote:

 argonak wrote:

Then..... This happenes.... http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skybolt-Hailstorm

This is 10 archer dudes for $100 US.

That's unbelievable. I had to go to the link because I just couldn't believe it was possible.

Meanwhile, back in reality:

http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/us-army/products/500pts-american-army-regular-infantry

so i can save $23, and end up with a bunch of models that have zero aesthetic appeal, and will end up never being painted, and giving me zero enjoyment...
such a deal!!!

i'd rather have the archers...
i am a big fan of the look of the Stormcast Eternals, but have no interest in painting WWII minis...

@Noir: i would say that being in plastic is actually a benefit...
easier to clean-up, better assembly, more durable, better casting...
i am happy to see HIPS taking over the ranges, even if it does cost more to design and tool...

cheers
jah

exactly, plus, not going to lie, but those minis are kinda meh :/ I prefer
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/32513army_giset/index.htm

if I want a realistic military style... I still think there is more fun to be building 2 sigmarine units

Rihgu wrote:
Aren't the arms compatible with the starter box minis? So you could ebay a ton of those for dirt cheap, buy one box of the expanded kit, and then load em out with the extra bits.

But oh no! You now have a bunch of useless hammer arms

This is something I would like clarified. I'd like to be able to buy another starter box and one of the Liberator boxes to kit them all out differently, but I'm not sure that's possible.

 jah-joshua wrote:

 argonak wrote:

Then..... This happenes.... http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skybolt-Hailstorm

This is 10 archer dudes for $100 US.

That's unbelievable. I had to go to the link because I just couldn't believe it was possible.

Meanwhile, back in reality:

http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/us-army/products/500pts-american-army-regular-infantry

so i can save $23, and end up with a bunch of models that have zero aesthetic appeal, and will end up never being painted, and giving me zero enjoyment...
such a deal!!!

i'd rather have the archers...
i am a big fan of the look of the Stormcast Eternals, but have no interest in painting WWII minis...

@Noir: i would say that being in plastic is actually a benefit...
easier to clean-up, better assembly, more durable, better casting...
i am happy to see HIPS taking over the ranges, even if it does cost more to design and tool...

cheers
jah

Zero aesthetic appeal describes my own subjective opinion of the sigmarines pretty well, but its subjective. Those specific miniatures were just an example of competing prices from other miniature manufacturers. I was not implying you should go and buy ww2 miniatures if you don't like ww2 miniatures.

An alternate comparison would be simple tactical space marines, which offer far more poses and options for modification than these very simplistic miniatures do. I mean. . . look at them. They're practically mono-pose.

@argonak: then, yes, i would go for the Space Marines every time...
i'm a fan of any new Space Marine kit!!!

i like the look of the archers, but armed with the crossbows instead of the bows...
if they don't appeal to you, that's understandable...

cheers
jah

The only reason I don't like the sigmarines is because they sport a standard 3+ save and they have the only 2+ save in the game. That and I feel their meh when compared to my daemons, my gory disgusting daemons.

 BunkerBob wrote:
The only reason I don't like the sigmarines is because they sport a standard 3+ save and they have the only 2+ save in the game. That and I feel their meh when compared to my daemons, my gory disgusting daemons.

What? Checking the warscrolls, they have 4+ standard and their heroes have 3+...

If folks are prepared to pay these sorts of figures willingly then they have no right to complain, no one puts a gun to your head and forces you to pay these prices.

It is called personal responsibility.

 BunkerBob wrote:
The only reason I don't like the sigmarines is because they sport a standard 3+ save and they have the only 2+ save in the game. That and I feel their meh when compared to my daemons, my gory disgusting daemons.

Yeah for that price on that same website I can get 20 bloodletters, and a Daemon Prince/Herald on Juggernaut. Which I can play AoS with, and play 40k with as well (and Fantasy technically), the more stable, balanced (compared to AoS) and popular game.

Hell I could basically buy this for AoS http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warriors-Of-Chaos-Battalion and have a fantasy army right there as well.

With ten sigmarines what have you got really. Stiff marine knockoffs only usable in AoS who all look like eight foot tall, 4 ft wide in the chest steroidal human males. Which isn't what they're supposed to be. They're supposed to be males and females of every race. Space Marines are hulks because their power comes from their muscles and skeleton. These Sigmarines gain power from celestial energy. So why again are they all so bulky? They fail at communicating visually. By looks they appear to be just hulking animated suits of armour all in the same pose. That's it.

Sure I guess you could proxy them for marines, but then again you could just proxy marines for eternals by that same logic.

bitethythumb wrote:
dude... The price is fair, how are 2 units like that expensive, I actually checked most of the 5 mini units (blightkings, forsaken etc) are about $45-50 and the extra bjts matter considering a major part of this hobby is converting /modelling...I am sure someone would love the extras to be used on other models... Remember you get 2 units in one box....2 units of 5 and 2 primes(not sure if they are separate or not)... Third time you get 2 UNITS or one large 10 unit of terminator sized minis

duuuudeeee...

Even if it took 10k for gw to produce this gak and they would sell this for 10$, they could still easily make a gak ton of money.

Why would I care how many extra bits the model comes with? If I'm not going to use it wtf I'll do with it? Why do I care if they are terminator sized? I collect miniatures, not toys for three year olds.