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Haha touché. Honestly I probably should have put them in there. They have a chance to be a serious dark horse if Hoyer can just be slightly better than decent. I really like them this year.

Travis Kelce officially had the best TD celebration ever!


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Also is this colt buffalo game real life?!? Although I guess it is since the colts have been outscored 62-7 in the last 6 quarters of football....

And the Crab King himself started his NFL career out with a bang:

First pass resulted in a touchdown.... for the other team

Didn't think the Rammies could take down the Seachickens...eh?

Any.Given.Sunday.

 whembly wrote:
Didn't think the Rammies could take down the Seachickens...eh?

Any.Given.Sunday.

'Twas an excellent second half of football for sure

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Didn't think the Rammies could take down the Seachickens...eh?

Any.Given.Sunday.

'Twas an excellent second half of football for sure

One of the strangest game, that's for sure...

What was Carroll thinking of doing the onside kick in OT. o.O

Chancetragedy wrote:
Haha touché. Honestly I probably should have put them in there. They have a chance to be a serious dark horse if Hoyer can just be slightly better than decent. I really like them this year.

The defense is solid. However, without their Pro-Bowl running back, the lack of a solid QB is magnified significantly. Yesterday was tough to watch. Spotting the other team 14 points with turnovers in your own red zone is tough to come back from.

Hopefully they can get their gak together or it will be a long season.

There is so much talent on the Defense side of the ball, and so much missing on Offense.

 whembly wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Didn't think the Rammies could take down the Seachickens...eh?

Any.Given.Sunday.

'Twas an excellent second half of football for sure

One of the strangest game, that's for sure...

What was Carroll thinking of doing the onside kick in OT. o.O

'Twas?

Anyway, apparently that wasn't supposed to be an Onside Kick, but more of a mid-kick to a 'dead space' in the Rams kick off coverage?

yeah, sure!

Nah. They fethed up. It's like they were using 5th edition over time rules in a 7th edition world...

Chancetragedy wrote:

Also is this colt buffalo game real life?!? Although I guess it is since the colts have been outscored 62-7 in the last 6 quarters of football....

Yeah, they're looking mighty sloppy. I mean, Buffalo's defense is something to be respected, but there's no reason why the should be elite offense of the Colts shouldn't be running up the score.

I think a lot of it has to do with the Pep's play calling. We spent the entirety of last season trying to force Boom and Bust down everyone's throats, and now that we picked up Gore to actually make that strategy work it's freaking pass city? I really think they need to either change the play calling strategy or find a new offensive coordinator.

Yah, I think the colts needed to focus on their lines more. Instead they just loaded up on skill positions. And it's showing, obviously Buffalos defense is going to be really good this year. But I think the colts are going to slip some as well.

This Falcons vs eagles game was awesome!

Really Giants, really? Losing with 7 seconds left on the clock? Terrible game... Looks like it's going to be another painful season of the defense routinely allowing 400+ yards per game.

And why were they trying to not score there on 1st and 2nd and maybe 3rd?

 Alpharius wrote:
And why were they trying to not score there on 1st and 2nd and maybe 3rd?

Apparently, Eli thought......
That Dallas had only ONE timeout left and told the RB to "Not Score" hoping, I guess, to run out the clock.

But if he scores a touchdown it becomes a 2 possession game, so...


...huh?

And he's now the $21 Million Dollar Man too!

Same argument for the Philly game.
If they had went for it on that 4th and 1 late in the 4th. They make it, new set of downs and maybe an easier FG, they don't, Atl gets the ball in the same place.
A TD would have forced ATL to drive hard for their own TD.

Water, bridge....

Honestly... I'm very close to instituting a self-imposed boycott on watching NFL games....


This officiating is absolutely terrible.

What's your team again?

 Alpharius wrote:
What's your team again?

Lol.. it's the Seahawks. And yes, they did plenty to beat themselves.

But, of the 3 or 4 games I watched yesterday, they were pretty consistently terribly called... Blatant and obvious holding on nearly every single play. Offensive players going in motion not being set for the right time before the snap (that's supposed to be a false start). But honestly, the biggest transgression for me is the holding thing. I get that NFL refs are probably told to let the games flow a bit, and while I truly doubt that NFL leadership tells officials to "favor" the offense, it's pretty clear that the NFL is focusing on that side of play, because many of them have this weird belief that all fans love seeing an NFL game that ends with a basketball score.

Dallas was penalized 18 times for 168 yards vs the Eagles. Philly only got hit 8 times.

Dallas won mainly because the Philly offense could not get anything going. They looked like they just met in the parking lot that morning. Kelly's post game comments equaled "I got Nothing".
With the offense going 3&out every time they got the ball, The Defense just got wore out. Dallas controlled the ball for 40 of 60 minutes.

Ugly game.
The only officiating issue was the helmet to helmet hit on the Eagles punter during the blocked kick not getting called.

The Patriots/Bills game had something like 24 penalties combined - the game felt like it was dragging on forever!

The one officiating issue I have from the GB-SEA game last night, was in the triple personal fouls calls.

I have no problem with the offsetting penalties, because in replay there was clear "personal foul" material (defensive player holding facemask), and there was clearly retaliation. What I have an issue with, is their ruling on the ejection. They clearly state "player removed another player's helmet by pulling on the face mask" but when they show replay footage, the offensive player's helmet stays on the entire time.


I think that if the refs called holding "properly" (as in enforced the rule hardly at all), it would take one week, maybe two to fix the problem of holding that I see as being an epidemic in the game. As a defensive fan, I think this would go some ways to leveling the playing field, since the game right now is so ridiculously stacked in the offense's favor.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
What's your team again?

Lol.. it's the Seahawks. And yes, they did plenty to beat themselves.

But, of the 3 or 4 games I watched yesterday, they were pretty consistently terribly called... Blatant and obvious holding on nearly every single play. Offensive players going in motion not being set for the right time before the snap (that's supposed to be a false start). But honestly, the biggest transgression for me is the holding thing. I get that NFL refs are probably told to let the games flow a bit, and while I truly doubt that NFL leadership tells officials to "favor" the offense, it's pretty clear that the NFL is focusing on that side of play, because many of them have this weird belief that all fans love seeing an NFL game that ends with a basketball score.

I may be wrong, but I hazard to guess that a small factor is that the league thinks that by making football scores look like basketball scores, there'll be fewer head injuries and such than you get with 13-7 slobberknocker games. Of course, it's 99% about the ratings and what they think people want to see.

Although I've read that doctors now think that it's not the big, concussion-causing hits that do most of the damage, but constant, continual banging like you see along the line of scrimmage.

And on the ratings front, I don't think they realize that fewer teams are competitive when the league becomes a game of "get a franchise qb or you're done." That's always been the case to some extent, but it's become an extreme thing now. And what's complicating the issue is that college teams aren't producing pro-style passers anymore. Look at all the "elite" QBs. It's a bunch of vets, mostly 30+, and Andrew Luck. Maybe Wilson too, depending on how you're defining elite.


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 helgrenze wrote:
Dallas was penalized 18 times for 168 yards vs the Eagles. Philly only got hit 8 times.

Dallas won mainly because the Philly offense could not get anything going. They looked like they just met in the parking lot that morning. Kelly's post game comments equaled "I got Nothing".
With the offense going 3&out every time they got the ball, The Defense just got wore out. Dallas controlled the ball for 40 of 60 minutes.

Ugly game.
The only officiating issue was the helmet to helmet hit on the Eagles punter during the blocked kick not getting called.

Y'know, I kinda get that Chip Kelly has his own way of doing things, and that he feels that the has to "go with what brung him." But the NFL is about adjusting and adapting. If he's too stubborn to do that...he's not going to last long.

I tend to think the Eagles will improve. They can't play that badly all year. And the division stinks, so who knows? But it does seem like after all his wheeling and dealing this year, Kelly has ended up with a worse team with some glaring and possibly fatal flaws.

 gorgon wrote:


Although I've read that doctors now think that it's not the big, concussion-causing hits that do most of the damage, but constant, continual banging like you see along the line of scrimmage.

And on the ratings front, I don't think they realize that fewer teams are competitive when the league becomes a game of "get a franchise qb or you're done." That's always been the case to some extent, but it's become an extreme thing now. And what's complicating the issue is that college teams aren't producing pro-style passers anymore. Look at all the "elite" QBs. It's a bunch of vets, mostly 30+, and Andrew Luck. Maybe Wilson too, depending on how you're defining elite.

One thing I've read on the concussion front would support what you wrote because in one study, they found that high school girls that play soccer suffer more concussions and post-concussion symptoms than their male football playing counterparts.


And on the ratings thing... yeah, I can kind of see what you're saying, although we can of course cherry pick some places where they've been pretty successful without a "franchise" qb. Then again, some cities are just simply known historically for certain aspects of the game. Big Ben wasn't your typical franchise QB, because Pittsburgh is known for its defensive football, IMO, he's come into that role because the long standing defensive vets have largely retired off. Baltimore also comes to mind as Ray Lewis was much more the "franchise" guy than whoever they had at qb when they won a SB. Same thing with Tampa Bay... they were known for their Defense.


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Y'know, I kinda get that Chip Kelly has his own way of doing things, and that he feels that the has to "go with what brung him." But the NFL is about adjusting and adapting. If he's too stubborn to do that...he's not going to last long.

It's funny, when he was at Oregon, he had the "full support" of the other parts of the staff, so he got the players he "needed" to play his system and style of play. I'm beginning to wonder if

A) his system doesn't actually translate well to the NFL

B) whether he has the "full support" of the front office to get the type/style of player he wants


But, I do agree. If you're Mike Martz, a coach known for passing the ball all over the place, but you get "stuck" with Jim Brown.... you NEED to become a running coach

Kelly has full control in Philly now. Eek.

And "full $upport" issues aside, talent acquisition and retention in the NFL is obviously structured differently than in college. You can't just cherry pick the best talent, and can't just stockpile players two- and three-deep.

Clearly he knows this, but did he fully understand the full implication to his philosophy? For instance, if your defense is going to be on the field for 40 minutes, that's a lot easier to manage in college with deep, 82-player rosters than shallow, 53-man NFL rosters.

 gorgon wrote:
Kelly has full control in Philly now. Eek.

And "full $upport" issues aside, talent acquisition and retention in the NFL is obviously structured differently than in college. You can't just cherry pick the best talent, and can't just stockpile players two- and three-deep.

Clearly he knows this, but did he fully understand the full implication to his philosophy? For instance, if your defense is going to be on the field for 40 minutes, that's a lot easier to manage in college with deep, 82-player rosters than shallow, 53-man NFL rosters.

No college team is platooning that deep. All the Power 5 schools platoon and rotate very similarly to an NFL squad.

 cincydooley wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Kelly has full control in Philly now. Eek.

And "full $upport" issues aside, talent acquisition and retention in the NFL is obviously structured differently than in college. You can't just cherry pick the best talent, and can't just stockpile players two- and three-deep.

Clearly he knows this, but did he fully understand the full implication to his philosophy? For instance, if your defense is going to be on the field for 40 minutes, that's a lot easier to manage in college with deep, 82-player rosters than shallow, 53-man NFL rosters.

No college team is platooning that deep. All the Power 5 schools platoon and rotate very similarly to an NFL squad.

I don't think you understand. Top college programs can and do have star RBs with 4- and 5-star recruits right behind them. Free agency, the salary cap, and a level and structured method of new talent acquisition (draft vs. recruiting) make it very difficult to stockpile talent in the NFL.

To wit, in college Kelly could lose a couple OGs and know that the next guys up would be almost as good. The two guys he has replacing Herremans and Mathis are utter disasters. Welcome to the NFL.



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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
And on the ratings thing... yeah, I can kind of see what you're saying, although we can of course cherry pick some places where they've been pretty successful without a "franchise" qb. Then again, some cities are just simply known historically for certain aspects of the game. Big Ben wasn't your typical franchise QB, because Pittsburgh is known for its defensive football, IMO, he's come into that role because the long standing defensive vets have largely retired off. Baltimore also comes to mind as Ray Lewis was much more the "franchise" guy than whoever they had at qb when they won a SB. Same thing with Tampa Bay... they were known for their Defense.

Yeah, having watched basically every game of Roethlisberger's career, I can say confidently that he's always had elite passing skills, even as some tried to label him a "game manager" early in his career. In reality, the guy's instincts are all gunslinger a la Brett Favre, it's just that the Steelers organization has always deployed more resources into defense and strove for a run-focused offense.

What you're seeing now is much more organizational focus on developing an elite offense, and what Roethlisberger can do when gifted with more talented skill position players around him. Yesterday the Steelers had 5 plays over 35 yards, and Roethlisberger was something like 5 of 6 for 200-odd yards passing just on those plays. And that was without Bell or Bryant in the lineup, both of whom are legit difference makers.

The fact that Tomlin has the Steelers trying 2 pt conversions often shows a completely different mindset in Pittsburgh, and one that makes sense based on the team's personnel.

Way to go Giants! Expertly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

The biggest crock of a penalty (or not a penalty) was the blatant helmet to helmet hit.

The SEA player had gotten the ball. One GB player was tackling him around the legs already.

A 2nd GB player came in and hit the SEA player with the *crown* of his helmet right in the SE players facemask.

In the replay you can see him purposely lining up to hit him in that manner.

The refs did not call it. The rule is some weird thing about when the back has the ball it's ok to hit them in the helmet with your helmet.

Um....last I checked...the guy that got the ball wasn't a RB.

And isn't the NFL getting holy hell for cincussions?!

But lets just let those purposeful and blatant helmet to helmet hits just "slide".....

Gonna be a lot of Terrible Towels waving in St. Louis tomorrow...