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Hey everyone looking for input on the following list. It's not meant to be used in a friendly environment.

Craftworld Warhost
1 x Farseer w Singing Spear
1 X Warlock w Singing Spear
1 x Vyper
2 x 3 Windriders w catapults
1 x 3 Windriders w Scatter lasers

1 x Wraithknight w Glaive/Shield and Shuriken+Starcannon
1 x Wraithknight w Suncannon/Shield and 2 Scatter Lasers
1 x Wraithknight w Glaive/Shield and Scatter+Starcannon

Oathsworn detachment
1 x Knight Crusader w Stormspear rocket pod

Total: 1848

What are your thoughts? I notice a distinct weakness to flyers and maybe MSU. The general idea of the Knight is that it's more resilient to grav than another WK, plus it brings much needed dakka.

from what people I know who do well at tournys tell me

knight lists wont win against the best lists but they stomp mid tier players/lists. how boring.... and uncreative. the list exists with 4 wraithknights and im sure its "strong"

lame as feth. thats my view

D shooting will wreck you with so few models. Anything that has a strong alpha strike should either halve or quarter your force.

Think about what a WWP wraithguard bomb and a cloudstrike unit do to you in two turns if you played against a an eldar list.

What EOS said above about a mid tables list but x10.

ninety0ne wrote:
D shooting will wreck you with so few models. Anything that has a strong alpha strike should either halve or quarter your force.

Think about what a WWP wraithguard bomb and a cloudstrike unit do to you in two turns if you played against a an eldar list.

What EOS said above about a mid tables list but x10.

I'm aware of the ATC list Eos is referring to. Still trying to find the constructive criticism in the rest of what he said lol. He sounds rather emotional.

Aside from that, I did consider whether I could survive an alpha strike, and thought that a spread out deployment might help.

And I know about needing good deployment, I normally run mono-Harlequin.

I'd Drop one WK (melee model) for more scat bikes and change the suncannon to d cannons.

Gargantuans isn't a bad way to go. I'd advise against the removal of the single melee Wraithknight - he provides stupendous board control and reasonable counter to deathstars. I do however agree with transitioning the Suncannons to Wraithcannons - no longer being twin-linked leaves the Suncannon much to be desired.

That being said I'd rather we focused on your Windrider Host core. By not being a CAD you don't receive Objective Secured Windriders. This is fine, except then they should have Scatterlasers all around else they're practically worthless by comparison of what they could be. Definitely find points for a Spirit Stone of Anath'lan on the Farseer as it's an auto-include in my book.

If you're desperate for anti-air the Wraithknights can all be equipped with EMLs if memory serves. Extremely point inefficient, but it'd be a solution.

willow wrote:

ninety0ne wrote:
D shooting will wreck you with so few models. Anything that has a strong alpha strike should either halve or quarter your force.

Think about what a WWP wraithguard bomb and a cloudstrike unit do to you in two turns if you played against a an eldar list.

What EOS said above about a mid tables list but x10.

I'm aware of the ATC list Eos is referring to. Still trying to find the constructive criticism in the rest of what he said lol. He sounds rather emotional.

Aside from that, I did consider whether I could survive an alpha strike, and thought that a spread out deployment might help.

And I know about needing good deployment, I normally run mono-Harlequin.

yeh man i just lost my cool at your list. even as we speak im upset about it. halp

Honestly. No don't love the Imperial Knight in there. I think the wraithknight's are better. I'd like more shooting. Id probably consider an aspect host with reapers and spiders instead.

Both can shoot stuff up but good with BS5 and rending, ignores jink, etc

Spiders give amazing null deployment options too against alpha strike armies if you have ANY line of sight blocking terrain in your deployment at all. Allowing you to let them survive and bring in your army turn two. Especially if you can squeeze in an Autarch into the list too... 2+ reserve deep striking wraithknight!