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Which 40k God is most powerful?

We have Slaanesh, who gets fed more power any time anybody anywhere even feels something.
Then, we have Tzeentch, who gains power any time anybody uses magic (virtually every faction feeds it)
Followed by Khorne, who gets fed anytime a war is fought or somebody gets pissed off.
And, last, but not least, any time somebody is happy or depressed or horrified, they're feeding Nurgle.
Now, these are all of the Chaos Gods.
Next up, the non-Chaos Gods.
We have the Emperor, who is now getting fed by virtually all of the worship energies that once fed the Chaos Gods (see: the Great Crusade), and is apparently holding his own against the combined might of all 4 Chaos Gods.
Then, we have Gork and Mork, who are basically just twin Gods who get fed energy every time a WAAAGH!!! occurs, and are also fed all of the Orks' worship energies, and are possibly the only Gods (outside of the Emprah) who directly interfere in material matters without the use of Daemons or other intermediaries.
Next up, we have Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Eldar God of War, who has been divided into a bajillion shards on all of the Craft Worlds.
And, last, but not least, we have Cegorach, the Laughing God, the only Eldar God to have survived the Birth of Slaanesh, and currently in command of the Eldar Harlequins.


My vote goes to the Emperor. Because Emprah.

Khorne. Because galaxy at war.

Slaanesh is excess really, but has been the weakest in terms of background.

Tzeentch if I remember was seen as the strongest but the others did something so it became more even between the three of them before Slaanesh joined in the stalemate.

I'm going to say it's Gork and Mork, they have the most believers so would clearly be the strongest warp entities without a question, they just lack direction.

Gork and Mork gain my vote. Countless worshippers and a plan to get themselves into reality. Also, I've heard it mentioned that they laugh off hits from the other gods in the warp or something of the like. (Not reliable to believe everything you hear, but I think it's worth mentioning.)

One of the Warp Gods is described as holding back utter annihilation at the hand of Chaos/mass slavery as the warp spills over and consumes the universe. It isn't Gork and Mork, Chaos, or the Eldar Gods- it's the Emperor.

There is no evidence suggesting that Gork and Mork would be more powerful than any other god so I am not sure why they get votes.

The Emperor gets my vote because of what Wyzilla says.

Come on! Malal!

He's the God of Underdogs and is an Underdog. Paradoxically the most powerful and the weakest at the same time.
He's also more powerful because he can actually enter the physical galaxy whereas the other Chaos Gods can't (because he's weaker than them, another paradox).

 JamesY wrote:
Khorne. Because galaxy at war.

Ditto.

I'll quote from the fluff for this one because before I came across it I didn't realize it.
"The Orks are a powerful force in the universe. A highly prolific race, they are able to expand and prosper effortlessly in comparison to other civilizations who struggle even for simple survival. The Ork character traits have a reflection in the Warp just like the impulses and emotions of Humanity and the Eldar. The traits are made manifest in the belligerent Ork gods known as Gork and Mork.
The Orks say that Gork is brutal but kunnin', and Mork is kunnin' but brutal. Gork and Mork are divine powerhouses, deities so strong they are never truly defeated. They simply shrug off the attacks of other gods with a raucous laugh. Gork grins, bares his long teeth, and lands a mighty blow on his adversary's head with a spiked club the size of a comet. Mork, always the sneaky one, waits until his foe isn't looking before clobbering him with a low blow.
<then a couple paragraphs on how Gargants, Stompas, Gork/Morkonauts are all representations of what they look like and embolden the Orks when built and used>
As the apocalyptic designs of the Chaos Gods approach fruition, the immaterial realm is roused with ever greater fury. So it is that Gork and Mork fight all the harder against the daemonic tides washing about their feet. The Ork god's joyful battle-lust echoes into the material universe, their roars clearer to the greenskins with every passing day. The weirdboyz claim that Gork and Mork are calling all their children to the last mighty battle, for the Great Waaaaaagh!, the everlasting war is upon them." pg14 Ork Dex

The Old Ones created the orks in responce to the growing threat of Warp entities. Being the ones who created the Warp in the first place I assume they understood why and how the Warp entities were manifesting and what their various levels of power meant. The Orks are unified in their belief of only 2 gods and are a simple race not tied up with an infinite amount of ploys, intrigue, ambitions and all the emotions that plague such intricate machinations of modern civilizations. The entites manifested from the other races are diluted and much more diverse giving rise to many forms of lesser entities representing the very diversity of Human or Eldar civilizations. The most common emotions, ideals, notions manifested in the major Chaos Gods we know now but they don't enjoy the sheer numbers and unified belief as Gork and Mork and aren't capable of doing anything to the two other then make them laugh. It's long been my belief that these two super entities was the end product the Old Ones created the Orks for. Warp entites much stronger then the other Warp entities could ever be and the two belligerent gods joyfully and almost mindlessly spend their existance smashing anything they seen moving in the Warp. They came off as mindless to me since they existed for millions and millions of years and yet the Real Space doesn't really hear much about them other then the ramblings of Orks. I thought of Gork and Mork as highly powerful children content with where they are and what they are doing. Reading the Waaaaaaagh! Ghazzghkul supplement I've come to learn that they aren't mindless at all. For some reason they recently decided to take interest in Real Space and are puppeteering Ghazzy in a plot to boost the Waaaaagh! energy across the galaxy high enough so they can rip themselves out of the Warp and enter Real Space. Ghazzy isn't out to conquer, he's moving from one major Waaaagh! to another, beats the leader into submission and boosts the Waaaaaaagh! to perpetual levels like he has going at Armegeddon and Octaria. Creating a signal so loud that Orks will keep pouring towards these locations for a long long long time to come. Yarrick seems to be the only one who understands this, mind I think he's the only prisoner Ghazzy let go on purpose so Yarrick can prepare and give a proper fight. If the humans didn't prepare such a strong resistance the fight would've been meek and Waaaagh signal would've been weak. On Octaria they cleaned out all the Nids, probably faster then he expected, but Octaria isn't over yet. Ghazzy has his weirdboyz gathered together with him on Octaria and together with Ghazzy they let off a major huge Psykic green ping that was felt by pyskers across the whole galaxy and even momentarily dimmed the Astronomicon. Another major Nid tendril is following that ping to Octaria as well as billions and billions of Orks. He's leaving Octaria knowing it'll be in perpetual war for a long long time.

Gork and Mork are able to shrug off the blows of other Warp Gods because they are only focusing on killing other Warp Entities. If Gork and Mork were to start fragmenting themselves into Daemons, actively trying to defeat the other Gods, etc., then they would likely be far more susceptible to direct attack. The rest of the entities are constantly creating Daemons and trying to murder eachother, thereby expending boatloads of energy and weakening their central selves, while still strengthening themselves in the long run.

Dusara struck the nail on the head.

The Emperor, as it's stated in chaos books he's the only thing holding the four Chaos Gods back.

I can agree with that. I do know it's what the Chaos Gods do. Little pieces of themselves running everywhere doing their bidding. Gork and Mork being actual gods with plans and stuff is relatively new to me compared to my knowledge of the other gods. More I learn the more smarter Gork and Mork seem. In this regard it appears, just like Empy, Gork and Mork have decided to keep it together. It makes sense since Empy and both Gork and Mork are all focused on killing other Warp entities while the Chaos Gods are busy trying to have pieces of themselves corrupt and possess mortals in Real Space to further their plans which is to turn Real Space into Warp Space. Gork and Mork don't need to corrupt Orks and possess them to gain their belief.....but it appears they needed to possess Ghazzy in order to unite the belligerent Ork race now that they have interest in Real Space. I'm curious how it would turn out as the Orks get close to fullfilling Gork and Mork's plans. Will they begin making their own form daemons as the time draws nearer thereby weakening themselves a little bit each time in exchange for more 'hands' helping them out? Can only wait.

Yeah, but he can't do it forever. Plus the chaos gods don't want to destroy the universe, otherwise they would have no followers and therefore die out.

Big E, since he is techincally beating the gak out of chaos to make things work for the Imperium
Nurgle, since everything decays, and at one point or another, everyone despairs.

I would say Khorne, mostly since the entire galaxy is currently engaged in blowing itself up.

 Wyzilla wrote:
One of the Warp Gods is described as holding back utter annihilation at the hand of Chaos/mass slavery as the warp spills over and consumes the universe. It isn't Gork and Mork, Chaos, or the Eldar Gods- it's the Emperor.

It's Malice. The Emperor just takes the credit in the Imperium, even though all he does is sit on the Golden Toilet.

Necoho, the Unbeliever.

Khorne.
The Chaos Gods are the most powerful beings in the warp.

Warp space is not an empty void,
but an infinite and incomprehensible realm inhabited by many strange entities, the most
powerful and dangerous of which are the four Great Gods of Chaos – Khorne, Tzeentch,
Nurgle and Slaanesh

And Khorne is - usually - the most powerful of the Chaos Gods.

The God-Emperor of Mankind. Despite all four of the Chaos gods doing all in their power to take over everything, the emperor and his children have continually kept them at bay. He also protects mankind from a lot of the monstrocities contained within the warp and without his vast psychic prowess, they would not be able to safely navigate through the warp.

One being against four ancient ones, speaks for itself. If any of the four Chaos gods were more powerful than him then they would have taken over long ago.

Hang on, hasn't Tzeentch devised a plan so inconceivably complex, elaborate and intelligent that it includes every single action made by any being in the universe and it will eventually come to fruition leading to Tzeentch dominating the realm of chaos and the rest of the galaxy?

I would have thought this would make him the most powerful god, though in a fist fight Khorne will take anyone lol.

Tzeentch has an exterminatus-level chronic backstabbing disorder for himself - he'll never let himself win, that'd be no fun.

 Selym wrote:
Tzeentch has an exterminatus-level chronic backstabbing disorder for himself - he'll never let himself win, that'd be no fun.

True, although you cannot argue it is beyond his capabilities, personality disorders aside.

There is previous little evidence to support the whole "The Emperor is all that stands between Chaos and the entire universe" theory.

It's a big galaxy and humanity isn't even the most populous race there-in. While the effect humanity has on the Warp is pronounced, it's quite a jump to then say that without the Emperor the effect of humanity is so great that the entire universe is doomed to Daemonic hell.

The War in Heaven was far worse than what we have now, featured races with far more psychic power than humanity (and death on a far grander scale) but the Warp didn't consume reality back then. It also didn't consume reality during the 30,000 years of human expansion before the Emperor "died".

Because "power" isn't something you can quantify but rather something more abstract, I'm going to go for a three way split between Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle depending on what's going on and who's plans are working out at a particular time. Slaanesh doesn't qualify because his only moment of glory was at his birth, and since then he's settled into being fourth place. Gork and Mork might be ded 'ard, but their influence (ironically, despite having the most populous race) is much less directed.

The Chaos Gods didn't exist during the War in Heaven.

I'm pretty sure there's been a lot of hinting in the fluff that Gork and Mork are the most powerful but being orky means that they aren't really into things that Chaos or Eldar gods or human imaginary friends are interested in. It's like Nurgle tries to meddle with them and they swat him like a fly and go back to observing WAAAAGHs because the other gods are basically just insects compared to Gork and Mork. After them I would guess Tzeentch, the harlequin dude or Khorne. Slaneesh should be up there too considering the sorts of things that feed him/her but GW love to make him/her out to be weak. I don't personally count the Emperor because he's dead and only "exists" as a projection of human psychic belief in him.

Funny how a lot believe the Emps is the most powerful, when 1) he isn't a full God at this time, and 2) he was the guy who went "DON'T WORSHIP ANYTHING!" as his main way of fighting Chaos. That doesn't sound like the Emps beating up the other Gods at all.

Gork and Mork do feel like the most powerful. Good that they don't fight the others most of the time.

I'm pretty sure in the fluff it says that humans have the largest empire, both in area and in population

 Psienesis wrote:
The Chaos Gods didn't exist during the War in Heaven.

Aren't they timeless/only tenuously linked to our interpretation of time? I thought that was part of their "strength"? There's a big thing in the Chaos books about how at the dawn of time Tzeentch was supreme in the Warp, but then Khorne, Nurgle and Slaanesh fought him to a draw and forced him to break his staff, shattering his power? Then there's the whole "Slaanesh is new but has always existed paradox".

 The Wise Dane wrote:
Funny how a lot believe the Emps is the most powerful, when 1) he isn't a full God at this time, and 2) he was the guy who went "DON'T WORSHIP ANYTHING!" as his main way of fighting Chaos. That doesn't sound like the Emps beating up the other Gods at all.

Gork and Mork do feel like the most powerful. Good that they don't fight the others most of the time.

Even if the original Emperor did not become a God, his souls is still alive, basically drifting in the currents of the Warp (Lost and the Damned, pg 175), there have been at least 1.2 e 18 people alive since he died - let's subtract about five hundred years from those people (time for the Imperial Cult to take root, though the Emperor was being worshipped even during the Unification Wars, as evidenced in The Last Church), which means 1.14 e 18 people, that means 1,140,000,000,000,000,000, which is 1.14 sextillion people. Compare that to the fact that that even a few million humans were enough to completely destabilize the Warp and lead to the creation of the Warp Gods, that is more than enough souls to create a new God.

Just in case you have not read Realms of Chaos , I'll explain how Gods are created in 40k: People die, and the energies of their souls divide and coalesce with those of other souls. For instance, if a thousand warriors and a thousand scholars were to die, the warriors' peaceful beliefs and loving tendencies would coalesce into a pool of energy, while their more prominent hateful and warlike beliefs and tendencies would coalesce into a pool of energy. On the flip side of the coin, the scholars' wisdom and love of knowledge (a major part of who they are) would coalesce into a separate pool of energy as they shed their hate and other violent energies which would go into the same "pools" as that of the warriors. These pools of energies could be considered "slumbering gods", and the more souls that get added to them, the more powerful they become, and the closer they come to sentience.

In the same manner would a God-Emperor be created. His sextillions of worshipers would die and the parts of their beings that were devoted to the Emperor would coalesce, and, eventually, create a new God of the Warp. Now, with how the Chaos Gods have been continually fed by the last 10k years' state of things (stagnation, constant death (Nurgle), upheaval, boatloads of magic-users (Tzeentch), hatred and war abound (Khorne), sensation and excess in virtually everything done (Slaanesh), they would have grown to be more powerful than they were during the Great Crusade, when the Emperor slaughtered their worshipers in the trillions, which would have severely weakened them, as they lost virtually all of their cults, and, when you worship a God, you essentially promise it your soul.

My source for all of this is Realms of Chaos: the Lost and the Damned pg. 7-9