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Necrons. God. Damn. fething. Necrons.

Once you've played against 1 Necron player, you've played against them all.

They're so friggin BORING to look at, play against, and to play with.

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons. God. Damn. fething. Necrons.

Once you've played against 1 Necron player, you've played against them all.

They're so friggin BORING to look at, play against, and to play with.

It really depends on who you play. I've played against some fun Necron players actually quite recently.
most games I play, I find quite enjoyable.

I don't really dislike any of the armies I think they all have some pretty neat ideas and fluff.. Granted many of these narratives get a little hokey but I'm already a happy to suspend my disbelief for fun.

I think it's been pointed out before where someone was talking about people who choose armies based on their special rules not their fluff or models. I think that's pretty lame - the example he gave was a Tau Commander suit who apparently could buff a unit of necron immortals and when asked what the story was behind that the other player simply shrugged. Though that's not really an inherent flaw with a faction(still not sure how he got away with that as I don't think the tau could buff the necrons being only allies of convenience)

I understand why Necrons & Eldar get a lot of hate - not necessarily fluff wise but because they do have strong rules.
That said I enjoy playing games with both as they both provide a significant challenge. Even if I lose the majority of these games.

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons. God. Damn. fething. Necrons.

Once you've played against 1 Necron player, you've played against them all.

They're so friggin BORING to look at, play against, and to play with.

This is weird to me because my lists almost never look the same.
Sometimes I'll do scarab farm, other times I'll go full melee with praetorians and sling-shot lychguards, or I'll unleash the full power of several C'tan and rarely I'll do a footslog spam with ghost arks and warriros.

A mix of any of the above is also possible. I hardly see how if you play one of my lists you've played them all.

That said, I'd personally say I dislike Tau but I've got to be honest that's largely due to me only frequently facing one Tau player who's list largely looks the same every time I play against him. I've played another Tau player recently and even tough he kicked my but because he had 2 Y'vahra's, it was a refreshing experience not seeing missilespam.

In the end, I still think markerlights are a bad mechanic that has no place within the game as it just counters some armies out of existence.

I think it is funny that people dont like the Idea of Chaos Deamons. They are Gods and will never, and can never die. This makes sense to me that they would be in both games.

With that being said though I hate Deamonkin book. It is a bad book from the start. They took 2 books and combined them without making any real changes. They realised that possed where never getting used in the CSM book so they had to find a way to move that product, then they released a $120 Bloodthirster Model and made a book where to get the full power out of it you need to have 2 or more of them. Summoning can suck to go against especially in anything under 1850 points, but at least you have a chance to stop it. In the Deamonkin book they get stuff if they kill you, they get stuff when you kill them. Its a very weighted system compaired to others that can summon, deamon or CSM, poop out bugs, tyranids, o and dont forget they can strait up summon if they want to as well.

Also, Dark Eldar. They're just disgusting.

 Matthew wrote:
Also, Dark Eldar. They're just disgusting.

What! Why lol. Like the second least played faction (looking at you sisters) and so much hate

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
Also, Dark Eldar. They're just disgusting.

What! Why lol. Like the second least played faction (looking at you sisters) and so much hate

I read literally 3 lines of fluff and almost threw up.

My least favourite are Slaneesh CSM and Dark Eldar.

Firstly a Space Marine that wields a big music launcher is just... Stupid... "IT'S GUNNA GET LOUD NOW!" *facepalm*

Dark Eldar are just messed up and disgusting. Why people would want to play as them is beyond me - flying around in their brothal boats, cutting people into bits and spreading their insides across the room in an intricate spiderweb of veins and organs, all the while keeping said people alive and probably "shooting their load" all over the dying people. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PLAY AS THESE PEOPLE?! *weeps openly*

Tiberius501 wrote:
Firstly a Space Marine that wields a big music launcher is just... Stupid... "IT'S GUNNA GET LOUD NOW!" *facepalm*

This is valid, but its a hold over from Rogue Trader when Noise Marines where literally just marines with huge speakers set into their shoulder pads and they played guitars. It was a glorious time. A time of Mono-Mohawks, Rock Star Orks, Doom Rider, and Tank Surfing.

Edit: found a pic


For me, i hate Eldar. Not even from the tabletop, i had the fact that they are frelling arrogant as High Elves that could have stopped so many problems if they would just talk to the Imperium. And yes the IoM will probably never open Diplomatic ties with them now but go back a ways and it was a real possibilty. Granted it wasnt all their fault but their frelling arrogance just made it all worse

I don't like the arrogance-fluff of the eldar.

Gameplay-wise i severely dislike eldar - they didn't need buffing or point drops - i wanted to see the wraithknight as a highly mobile equal to an imperial knight rather than how it ended up.

It could have been a wonderous time for SM and eldar players which mimicked the epic games of old with knights pitching into each other with supporting units clashing among them. but no, the stick of warding hit the eldar 'dex

I wonder who it was who decided that we needed the d-weapon chart?
I much prefer the old rules from apocalypse where d weapons auto pen, auto wound, ignore cover, ignore armour and cause instant death. you could take invuln saves against d-weapons and using the normal vehicle damage chart and the variety of results your shooting could have made so much more sense - you could halve it's movement or stun it's weapons or even just wreck it where it stands; not just remove a set number of hull point until it goes nuclear and everything near it takes d-weapon hits.


I suppose i'm saying my biggest problem is free formation bonusses, power creep since and including the last necron 'dex and GW's inability to see the need for proper playtesting.

'Escalation' gets a mention here after giving eldar titans the ability to ignore two thirds of all incoming fire regardless of direction, distance, abilities, rules or logic.

Tiberius501 wrote:
My least favourite are Slaneesh CSM and Dark Eldar.

Firstly a Space Marine that wields a big music launcher is just... Stupid... "IT'S GUNNA GET LOUD NOW!" *facepalm*

Dark Eldar are just messed up and disgusting. Why people would want to play as them is beyond me - flying around in their brothal boats, cutting people into bits and spreading their insides across the room in an intricate spiderweb of veins and organs, all the while keeping said people alive and probably "shooting their load" all over the dying people. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PLAY AS THESE PEOPLE?! *weeps openly*

The sickening part is the most fun. The more messed up lore, the better.

I'm mentally stable, I promise.

 Harley Quinn wrote:

Tiberius501 wrote:
My least favourite are Slaneesh CSM and Dark Eldar.

Firstly a Space Marine that wields a big music launcher is just... Stupid... "IT'S GUNNA GET LOUD NOW!" *facepalm*

Dark Eldar are just messed up and disgusting. Why people would want to play as them is beyond me - flying around in their brothal boats, cutting people into bits and spreading their insides across the room in an intricate spiderweb of veins and organs, all the while keeping said people alive and probably "shooting their load" all over the dying people. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PLAY AS THESE PEOPLE?! *weeps openly*

The sickening part is the most fun. The more messed up lore, the better.

I'm mentally stable, I promise.

Precisely. Playing games will always involve a bit of escapism, and part of that is playing with concepts you would never consider in real life.

Sigmarines.
Oh wait, wrong universe.

I am happy to report that I don't dislike any faction in 40k. But my least favourite by far is Grey Knights. Space Marines are already the most super elite group of elite space knights, and then you have the Grey Knight who are a super elite group of super elite space knights among the super elite space knights. Everything about the Grey Knights reads like a 10 year old's mary sue fan fiction. Now 40k is all about being over the top, so it has its place, but I am not a fan of it.

Tiberius501 wrote:

Dark Eldar are just messed up and disgusting. Why people would want to play as them is beyond me - flying around in their brothal boats, cutting people into bits and spreading their insides across the room in an intricate spiderweb of veins and organs, all the while keeping said people alive and probably "shooting their load" all over the dying people. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PLAY AS THESE PEOPLE?! *weeps openly*

Probably for the same reason people play as the Germans in WW2 games. They may commit unspeakable atrocities, but damn do they look classy while doing so.

Aesthetics and fluff its Tau. Too much sci fi in my space fantasy thank you. Plus being such a small force and all they just seem shoehorned into the setting as a whole.

Playstyle wise its IG, Tau and Eldar. Plus Daemons of Khorne. IG and Tau because static gunline (especially "barrage gunline", many skill such dice right there). Eldar because broken gak and solitare gameplay - "I roll these dice that let me reroll my dice and just roll all day long now remove your models please while I spank off in a corner". And daemons of khorne (despite playing them) because god damn that is one nonfunctional army right there, is it too much to ask for the psyker hating blood god to crap on psykers a bit and be slightly decent in melee?

I can understand a lot of the SM hate going on in the thread. I like SM if only because they were my first army when my bro and I got the 3rd ed beginner box. I'm not a super competitive player, so I like my armies and battles to reflect the fluff, somewhat.

I took a long hiatus and returned to see my beloved SW had been bastardized from Space Vikings into space marines with a wolf fetish. As somebody else mentioned "Wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf". I mean, riding wolves?! In the year 40,000? In battle? It was tough for me to return to SW to see my LR Exterminator that purged so many Xenos gone and instead there was ridiculous Astartes-riding canines. Ruined the SW for me. Honestly ruined SW for me. I converted some of my SW models to Flesh Tearers since their fluff and tactics attracted me more than riding wolves.
I guess any unit that uses bikes goes along those lines, so CSM, SM, DA especially. Driving motorcycles on a battlefield is just stupid to me.
As a military veteran, a lot of modeling and battlefield decisions that work out baffle me, but, you gotta leave that at the door since this is more of a fantasy in space than sci-fi setting. Sometimes, though, the fantasy can be too much (see: riding wolves).

Fluff-wise, eh, I would say Necrons, but it's not a hate, more of a dislike. Undead Egyptian robots. not much there for me.
While there's not much love for them in this thread or fluff behind Tyranids, I do like they add variety to the mix. You get the Aliens from Alien and with the hive-mind from Starship Troopers and the 'we will consume your entire planet before moving on to the next' doom and gloom from Independence Day.

As a Slaanesh CSM player, I could see people hating on noise weapons, but we're developing noise weapons for crowd control nowadays, and some of them are pretty crazy. I mean, some of them make people vomit or feel like their skin's on fire, so that could be more plausible than some other things in the 41st millennium (like riding wolves. Did I mention that yet?).

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons. God. Damn. fething. Necrons.

Once you've played against 1 Necron player, you've played against them all.

They're so friggin BORING to look at, play against, and to play with.

I play necrons and lemme tell you its a blast.
There are innumerable tactics and army lists that you can employ to change up the game.
Sometimes I take Decurion: Reclamation, Destroyer Cult, Canoptek Harvest.
Other times I take Decurion: Reclamation, Canoptek Harvest, Judicator Batallion
If I'm feeling zesty I'll take a Annihilation Nexus.

Cannot tell.
I played against all factions too often to hate one of them.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Cannot tell.
I played against all factions too often to hate one of them.

I have the opposite problem. I've played too few to hate anything.
I've played like 13 games.
8 Fething Eldar games
1 GK
1 SW
1 Imperial Knights (6 Titans)
1 Salamanders(w/Primarch) /Imperial Titans/ Other SM chapter I think it was custom(It was an Apocalypse game. IoM vs Necron/Eldar)
1 CSM (cultist blob heavy)
So I can't really hate anything for play yet, although Eldar is making a push for it.

As far as fluff-wise, I both love and hate Newcrons.
I love it cause it gave the army a personality, and allowed for actual painting customization, rather than forcing the terminator look.
I hate it cause it took away their threat, they aren't a unified force anymore, and have ended up like the Tau.
A slightly more efficient IoM.
They should have kept an overall leader, having the Silent King keep the command protocols, or maybe one of the remaining Ctan (Outsider, Void Dragon) would have kept them dangerous.
That way they're still individual bickering dynasties, but only because a certain power allows it.
Eldar has the technology. Chaos, Orks, and Tyranids all outnumber them.
Necrons are only a galactic threat because they combine Eldar Tech with Tyranid Loyalty.

Tau!

Its so automatic its terrifying. Lol.

No but seriously, back in the day (a couple winters ago) I used to play against a pretty hard Nurgle Marine guy and a Dark Eldar dude, two brothers actually and I thought that was tough. Then Nurgle guy started collecting Tau, mostly as a FU to his bro, who just loved his DE trickery. Boy did that arms race escalate. Poor little me caught in the crossfire as this Tau army sprung up and started dominating my table. I had to work pretty friggin hard to eke out wins against the Tau. I think this was a big part of the reason why I eventually switched from Chaos Marines to Vanilla. If you look really close at my elite Marines you can see they are in fact CSMs! Same with my Rhino. Admittedly it got much easier to deal with Tau after that but I still have a healthy respect for those gimpy little fish heads.

A little too much respect sometimes. Ha! They say you can only truly know something if first you hate it. Maybe I made that up? Maybe I read it somewhere? At any rate sometimes I look at those damnable stupid Tau and think now if I had some extra time and money...

 Dakkamite wrote:
Aesthetics and fluff its Tau. Too much sci fi in my space fantasy thank you. Plus being such a small force and all they just seem shoehorned into the setting as a whole.

Playstyle wise its IG, Tau and Eldar. Plus Daemons of Khorne. IG and Tau because static gunline (especially "barrage gunline", many skill such dice right there). Eldar because broken gak and solitare gameplay - "I roll these dice that let me reroll my dice and just roll all day long now remove your models please while I spank off in a corner". And daemons of khorne (despite playing them) because god damn that is one nonfunctional army right there, is it too much to ask for the psyker hating blood god to crap on psykers a bit and be slightly decent in melee?

Everyone complains about my Tau Gunline until I bust out the XV 8 spam with Farsight.

eldar because their games are as boring as heck, their math games to me and unless were playing 6th edition and im packing d weapons i refuse to play them outright, their codex is broken, their players tend to dig wayyyyyyy too much into mathhammer and they ted to be overly competitive. the eldar codex is evil and everything that it touches turns into corporate executives.. only genuinely stab you in the face evil ones

i also hate tau.. cause to hades with fish people

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons. God. Damn. fething. Necrons.

Once you've played against 1 Necron player, you've played against them all.

They're so friggin BORING to look at, play against, and to play with.

Well, sir. I take offense to this.


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Imperium. Fluffwise and crunchwise. Battle brothers are stupid, and they get special treatment because they're the poster children of 40k. And fluffwise, they're a bunch of a-holes.

Flanker wrote:Astartes-riding canines.

Dear Emperor, that sounds terrifying.

Tau annoy me. I don't hate them, but the prevalence of such a minor race, as well as their pseudo-noblebright gak, simply irritates me.

In my own codex, it would have to be Ultramarines. Most of the Ward gobbledygook has been toned down in the newest codex, but they still have way more named characters than they deserve (seriously, how is it that the smurfs got the HQ that gives you another tank before IH did?).

 krodarklorr wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons. God. Damn. fething. Necrons.

Once you've played against 1 Necron player, you've played against them all.

They're so friggin BORING to look at, play against, and to play with.

Well, sir. I take offense to this.


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Imperium. Fluffwise and crunchwise. Battle brothers are stupid, and they get special treatment because they're the poster children of 40k. And fluffwise, they're a bunch of a-holes.

That's the way, uh-huh - uh-huh, I liike it, uh-huh-uh-huh...

Don't cry because Marneus Calgar can play with a Monolith like a goddamn Frisbee!
Also they require no effort whatsoever to paint. Slap some Leadbelcher, Nuln and Necron Compound on and you're done. If you're REALLY creative you'll edge highlight with Runefang Steel and maybe change the eye colour. AND THE POSES, SO STATIC! At least Marines have alot more dynamic poses, more challenging mini's and Characters with some depth rather than:
"We dun effed up a few eons ago, so lets kill everything." whereas the Marines fight because they NEED to, because they know if they don't, their entire race is basically down the drain. Necrons have no reason to fight whatsoever and their fluff is incredibly boring.

Eldar are also boring fluffwise and they're elves in SPESS. Originality nil.

Before you say that the concept of genetically enhanced badasses in power armour is unoriginal, Marines have existed since Rogue Trader and many other Sci-Fi movies/games/books have tried to emulate that (HALO I'M LOOKING AT YOU).

Tau also suck because they are so boring to play with. Movement Phase mightaswell not exist for them.

never been a fan of space marine, love the eldar and imps...

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons. God. Damn. fething. Necrons.

Once you've played against 1 Necron player, you've played against them all.

They're so friggin BORING to look at, play against, and to play with.

Well, sir. I take offense to this.


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Imperium. Fluffwise and crunchwise. Battle brothers are stupid, and they get special treatment because they're the poster children of 40k. And fluffwise, they're a bunch of a-holes.

That's the way, uh-huh - uh-huh, I liike it, uh-huh-uh-huh...

Don't cry because Marneus Calgar can play with a Monolith like a goddamn Frisbee!
Also they require no effort whatsoever to paint. Slap some Leadbelcher, Nuln and Necron Compound on and you're done. If you're REALLY creative you'll edge highlight with Runefang Steel and maybe change the eye colour. AND THE POSES, SO STATIC! At least Marines have alot more dynamic poses, more challenging mini's and Characters with some depth rather than:
"We dun effed up a few eons ago, so lets kill everything." whereas the Marines fight because they NEED to, because they know if they don't, their entire race is basically down the drain. Necrons have no reason to fight whatsoever and their fluff is incredibly boring.

Eldar are also boring fluffwise and they're elves in SPESS. Originality nil.

Before you say that the concept of genetically enhanced badasses in power armour is unoriginal, Marines have existed since Rogue Trader and many other Sci-Fi movies/games/books have tried to emulate that (HALO I'M LOOKING AT YOU).

Tau also suck because they are so boring to play with. Movement Phase mightaswell not exist for them.

Umm, Necrons have reasons to fight. Basically the same reason Space Marines fight. The Imperium is as follows: "We're racist. You're Xenos? Purge purge purge, blah blah." Necrons are pretty much the same "You're an inferior race, purge purge purge, blah blah. Also, we want our kingdoms back, get off our lawn."

Also, not requiring effort to paint is a boon to many people.

They can just stay asleep in their mass bedrooms.
The Imperium purge because they are a threat.

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
They can just stay asleep in their mass bedrooms.
The Imperium purge because they are a threat.

1. No, not really. They don't have a choice a lot of the time.
2. So, Captain America 2?

I don't dislike any of the factions, the grey knights mildly annoy me but that's about it.