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I've been reading some posts here and there stating they've 'had an interest in warhammer rekindled' due to the release of Age of Sigmar.

AoS is really nothing like WFB so how can one really say its rekindled when even the lore is completely different, let alone the ruleset? It's not 'rekindled' just 'kindled'.

It's as though people think they are jumping in an old looking, re-branded ship but it's actually new.

Well, it's more about using their old collection and playing again with the rules of AoS - since you have free rules to play almost every model producted by GW until now, it doesn't really cost them anything.

Old World may be destroyed, but not all players really care that much about the background...some just like the models, made their own stuff or just want to play with their friends.

 Sarouan wrote:
Well, it's more about using their old collection and playing again with the rules of AoS - since you have free rules to play almost every model producted by GW until now, it doesn't really cost them anything.

Old World may be destroyed, but not all players really care that much about the background...some just like the models, made their own stuff or just want to play with their friends.

True, it may not cost them anything, but why cater to those people who are jaded with the hobby? I don't see that making any real or lasting business impression with that demographic.

Heck, why even bother to remake the universe when you could just make a new one with similar elements? They could have just chosen some crazy bizarre worlds in the eye of terror so people could actually use space marines in their fantasy armies - since that's what GW thinks fantasy needs.

Just because some people don't care about the storyline doesn't mean that was the generality - with WFB. I sense more egocentric reasons as to the push for AoS - some people wanting to carve out a name in the company. I digress though.

I think its because it is a new way to play the old hobby that they stopped playing.

personally i think that Age of Sigmar is the best thing that could have ever happened to fantasy. i have had a fantasy army for sometime now but have never played a game of 8th edition fantasy. as soon as AOS came out i have been using it very frequently. AOS is a much easier and far more fun and easy going game. If you don't like it why bother complaining, just play 8th.

You basically quoted me, yes it rekindled my love for the "hobby" I simply felt that a new start in a new game is a great way to get back into things, I also love the idea of not being restricted by actual armies, I buy the models I love the look of instead of "how many points I got left".... Personally I would love to play Broms Dark Age as I love the models but its a niche within a niche... For me this hobby is all about building and painting, playing is just a bonus, the fact that there are 3 gw stores close to me is a great bonus...

 kveldulf wrote:

True, it may not cost them anything, but why cater to those people who are jaded with the hobby? I don't see that making any real or lasting business impression with that demographic.

Why not? Because GW, anyway.

Some of them may be tempted since they can try the new game easily with their old collection and a few pages of free pdf downloaded from the website. Actually, it sounds like a good marketing move here. Really.

And if some old players agree to give this a new chance, they can start collecting again...new models, new armies or just additions to what they have. Whatever they want, like they want.

Heck, why even bother to remake the universe when you could just make a new one with similar elements? They could have just chosen some crazy bizarre worlds in the eye of terror so people could actually use space marines in their fantasy armies - since that's what GW thinks fantasy needs.

Actually, that's exactly what they did. If you look at the "maps" of the realms, they have nothing to do with usual worlds. It feel a lot more like true demon worlds/realms of Chaos. A lot of things are complete fantasy (with skulls sometimes ), other are strange or weird like living floating tree-things or tentacled monsters who look like a mountain or something.

The new background is irrelevant, the rules can be used for games set in the old world just as much as the realms, in fact the rules suggest this. For me, it has a lot of the appeal of the old days about it, a dozen or so models, and buying what I like, rather than armies, is the rule of the day. The lack of points has returned the game to being more about the fun. I don't know anyone who spends a whole evening before a game of AoS pondering over their list.

I'll probably keep playing old world games using AoS rules, as don't want to have to spend £45 every couple of months to keep up to date with a background that doesn't really grab me. However, I will continue to build the army I've started for it. I think my nurgle army could do with an arachnorok covered in nurglings...

A lot of people never played any wargames except Warhammer and they regard Warhammer and Teh HHHobby as Wargaming.

If they got bored with that a couple of years ago, and now AoS has attracted them back, then they are back into Wargaming/Warhammer.

The plus points of AoS are it is very simple and you can use your old WHFB army figures. This makes it very easy and cheap to start playing if you are a lapsed WHFB player.

Hated fantasy. It was dead long before gw pulled the trigger. AoS on the other hand has made fantasy relevant. Actually has me involved in gw again and never had more fun. If it wasn't for AoS fantasy would still be one id not go near

It rekindled my interest. AoS is very similar to WFB. It's still Warhammer in my opinion. Doesn't feel like that crazy of a change, just a new version, and I like what they've done.

I grew up with 5th/6th, played some of 7th and then only played a couple of games of 8th. I found it got too clunky for me. I never thought the Old World lore was very good and I'm far more excited about the new lore.

I mean, the only reason I'm remotely interested is because my Tomb Kings are actually playable now. So, yeah. There's that...

Yup,

AoS brought me back to the GW side of the hobby, I left 10+ years ago and sold everything.

I'm now starting a new gaming system and building new armies from scratch, the system and fluff has got me pretty excited, i see it as a good direction to take a stale IP and refresh it.

AoS is a style of game I like, mid sized skirmish, fast paced and doesn't need a massive table to play. I like the new look, more mythology inspired than historical, far more open ended that WFB and now introduced more interesting match ups as you no longer get the strength/toughness issue of never being able to hurt anything.

I've never stopped gaming and play around 10 different wargaming systems and probably at least 20-30 boardgames with sufficient knowledge of the rules I could pick up and walk someone through a game without much reference to the rules.

I am a serious gamer, by which I mean I take gaming seriously and enjoy the challenges it brings alongside the collecting, painting and fluff aspects of the hobby. I actually pretty much detest beer and pretzels games and I do not consider AoS in this category.

I'm a great kind of customer for GW to target, I have available funds to pour into a new system with time to dedicate to both painting and gaming.

G

 krodarklorr wrote:
I mean, the only reason I'm remotely interested is because my Tomb Kings are actually playable now. So, yeah. There's that...

Tomb kings got seriously buffed

Well, Age of Sigmar is -still- Warhammer. And it's the fantasy version, so it's Warhammer Fantasy. Sure, it's not WFB, but to most the semantic difference doesn't matter.

I, too, came back to WARHAMMER FANTASY (or the fantasy Warhammer if you prefer it that way) with the release of AoS. I didn't like 8th ed that much, mostly because of how regiments worked and how the balance was almost non-existant and my armies were outright bad and I couldn't play a nice, even game with my friends just because I liked those more than others. I was literally being punished for my preferences.

Now AoS brought a couple things to the table that made me want to try it out and which I enjoy despite somewhat sceptikal approach. I am now dusting my old models that I haven't used for about two years and I am having casual fun with it, especially that now centrepiece models such as monsters are playable and offer unique experience.

So, yeah, while I get why someone can get unreasonably offended after seeing people phrase it like that, it's pretty much true, including me. Warhammer universe didn't cease to exist, it moved on, and so did I. AoS is continuation of the setting, not the previous game, but it's still a Warhammer Fantasy game.

The only version of Warhammer Fantasy I ever played was Warhammer Fantasy role-play (a 3 year campaign!!), but I do own perhaps 100 painted Warhammer Fantasy models (random) collected over the years. AoS gave me the chance to kind of randomly play with those, and I suppose it was fun (but not enjoyable enough to unseat 40k).

So... I suppose.. "rekindled" is not a bad verb to use...

Yup, it rekindled my interest, Played since version 4, lost interest when they kept overlooking my army, Wood Elves..got sick of waiting years for an update.

But I still bought the models...3 boxes of Skull Pass plus Island of Blood..all sitting around since I did not want to buy the Army books. Now I am building up bits and pieces of whatever appeals to me.

I plan on gaming with the kids...very easy to play, easy for them to get into. Will essentially give them a Hero, then let them pick whatever entourage they like.

"Rekindled" works for me.

Over the years I've had and on again/off again interest in WFB. First it was the cool looking art or just the idea of a fantasy wargame. Years ago a friend and I were making plans to start armies.
Lately it's been more actually wanting to get into the game as I still had yet to start playing. I don't have the long histories that others do and got into 40k first all those years ago so that took up
my time/money. Now that AoS is here the same friend and many from my FLGS are picking armies and discussing it during game nights. For me personally it went from once in awhile
to a "here to stay" way of thinking.

Meh, it just seems like people are jumping back into something that they were already whimsical about.

I have my seasons and reasons for doing things too, but jumping into something new for the sake of it being something new (not just warhammer) sounds akin to swallowing your own tail - if you had a tail.

Warhammer begun its appeal with mainly 15th 16 century german/french renaissance vibes. Now, that synthesis of mythology, scale and history is replaced with Heman and the Masters of the Universe & a Barney style rule system. I don't mind a setting in a nigh ethereal place, but the sense of wonder/mystery isn't there because everything sounds too fantastical - too defined. It's a lot like other fantasy settings in that regard - nothing new there.

Many qualities in what made warhammer interesting have been eroded since 4th edition - not just with the advent of 8th edition. However, AoS is nothing like Warhammer in general, and to say your interest has been rekindled still remains an enigma to me.

 kveldulf wrote:
Meh, it just seems like people are jumping back into something that they were already whimsical about.

I have my seasons and reasons for doing things too, but jumping into something new for the sake of it being something new (not just warhammer) sounds akin to swallowing your own tail - if you had a tail.

Warhammer begun its appeal with mainly 15th 16 century german/french renaissance vibes. Now, that synthesis of mythology, scale and history is replaced with Heman and the Masters of the Universe & a Barney style rule system. I don't mind a setting in a nigh ethereal place, but the sense of wonder/mystery isn't there because everything sounds too fantastical - too defined. It's a lot like other fantasy settings in that regard - nothing new there.

Many qualities in what made warhammer interesting have been eroded since 4th edition - not just with the advent of 8th edition. However, AoS is nothing like Warhammer in general, and to say your interest has been rekindled still remains an enigma to me.

can you sound anymore condescending? AoS seems to be inspired by ancient heroism lore like Greece or Ramayana (and heman is bloody awesome)etc and rules are simplified not barneyfied, people are saying it has rekindled their hobby love, warhammer is just a setting a lot of people very much love and nothing wrong with that, no matter what style or theme warhammer takes... AoS is new, its a fresh start, its a great place to start from the beginning...

I agree, how can people come back only to play the worst miniatures game I have ever seen in my time is beyond me too.

I feel like there is some exaggeration on their part or something. I am very certain unless the game changes over the next year that very few people will play this.

I agree OP, how can anyone be rekindled by this? At best maybe they mean they are giving it a try because it is free? No idea, can't understand personally.

 Swastakowey wrote:
I agree, how can people come back only to play the worst miniatures game I have ever seen in my time is beyond me too.

I feel like there is some exaggeration on their part or something. I am very certain unless the game changes over the next year that very few people will play this.

I agree OP, how can anyone be rekindled by this? At best maybe they mean they are giving it a try because it is free? No idea, can't understand personally.

or maybe its not the worst gaming system and people are not exaggerating their stated opinions? And they have every right to enjoy something even if you do not like it or play it.

 bitethythumb wrote:

 kveldulf wrote:
Meh, it just seems like people are jumping back into something that they were already whimsical about.

I have my seasons and reasons for doing things too, but jumping into something new for the sake of it being something new (not just warhammer) sounds akin to swallowing your own tail - if you had a tail.

Warhammer begun its appeal with mainly 15th 16 century german/french renaissance vibes. Now, that synthesis of mythology, scale and history is replaced with Heman and the Masters of the Universe & a Barney style rule system. I don't mind a setting in a nigh ethereal place, but the sense of wonder/mystery isn't there because everything sounds too fantastical - too defined. It's a lot like other fantasy settings in that regard - nothing new there.

Many qualities in what made warhammer interesting have been eroded since 4th edition - not just with the advent of 8th edition. However, AoS is nothing like Warhammer in general, and to say your interest has been rekindled still remains an enigma to me.

can you sound anymore condescending?

Why are you turning this around to a more personal thing? If you don't think I have a valid point, please correct me. Whats so bad about finding holes in peoples reasoning?

It's better to hear criticism than none at all.

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I agree, how can people come back only to play the worst miniatures game I have ever seen in my time is beyond me too.

I feel like there is some exaggeration on their part or something. I am very certain unless the game changes over the next year that very few people will play this.

I agree OP, how can anyone be rekindled by this? At best maybe they mean they are giving it a try because it is free? No idea, can't understand personally.

or maybe its not the worst gaming system and people are not exaggerating their stated opinions? And they have every right to enjoy something even if you do not like it or play it.

Am I removing anyone's right? Or doing anything bad?

The game is objectively the worst game around, you may enjoy it... but that does not stop it from being a bad game. I would be shocked to find someone who does not house rule this game to make it playable.

How about not getting upset that people think its odd you play a certain game?

 Swastakowey wrote:

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I agree, how can people come back only to play the worst miniatures game I have ever seen in my time is beyond me too.

I feel like there is some exaggeration on their part or something. I am very certain unless the game changes over the next year that very few people will play this.

I agree OP, how can anyone be rekindled by this? At best maybe they mean they are giving it a try because it is free? No idea, can't understand personally.

or maybe its not the worst gaming system and people are not exaggerating their stated opinions? And they have every right to enjoy something even if you do not like it or play it.

Am I removing anyone's right? Or doing anything bad?

The game is objectively the worst game around, you may enjoy it... but that does not stop it from being a bad game. I would be shocked to find someone who does not house rule this game to make it playable.

How about not getting upset that people think its odd you play a certain game?

hows about not stating your subjective opinion as an objective fact?

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I agree, how can people come back only to play the worst miniatures game I have ever seen in my time is beyond me too.

I feel like there is some exaggeration on their part or something. I am very certain unless the game changes over the next year that very few people will play this.

I agree OP, how can anyone be rekindled by this? At best maybe they mean they are giving it a try because it is free? No idea, can't understand personally.

or maybe its not the worst gaming system and people are not exaggerating their stated opinions? And they have every right to enjoy something even if you do not like it or play it.

Am I removing anyone's right? Or doing anything bad?

The game is objectively the worst game around, you may enjoy it... but that does not stop it from being a bad game. I would be shocked to find someone who does not house rule this game to make it playable.

How about not getting upset that people think its odd you play a certain game?

hows about not stating your subjective opinion as an objective fact?

It is not Opinion that this game is the worst rule set out there. "I like a game" is not proof a game is not bad.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I agree, how can people come back only to play the worst miniatures game I have ever seen in my time is beyond me too.

I feel like there is some exaggeration on their part or something. I am very certain unless the game changes over the next year that very few people will play this.

I agree OP, how can anyone be rekindled by this? At best maybe they mean they are giving it a try because it is free? No idea, can't understand personally.

or maybe its not the worst gaming system and people are not exaggerating their stated opinions? And they have every right to enjoy something even if you do not like it or play it.

Am I removing anyone's right? Or doing anything bad?

The game is objectively the worst game around, you may enjoy it... but that does not stop it from being a bad game. I would be shocked to find someone who does not house rule this game to make it playable.

How about not getting upset that people think its odd you play a certain game?

hows about not stating your subjective opinion as an objective fact?

It is not Opinion that this game is the worst rule set out there. "I like a game" is not proof a game is not bad.

but saying "this game is the worst gaming system because I do not like it" is evidence, gotcha... You clearly went full CSI and proved me wrong.

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I agree, how can people come back only to play the worst miniatures game I have ever seen in my time is beyond me too.

I feel like there is some exaggeration on their part or something. I am very certain unless the game changes over the next year that very few people will play this.

I agree OP, how can anyone be rekindled by this? At best maybe they mean they are giving it a try because it is free? No idea, can't understand personally.

or maybe its not the worst gaming system and people are not exaggerating their stated opinions? And they have every right to enjoy something even if you do not like it or play it.

Am I removing anyone's right? Or doing anything bad?

The game is objectively the worst game around, you may enjoy it... but that does not stop it from being a bad game. I would be shocked to find someone who does not house rule this game to make it playable.

How about not getting upset that people think its odd you play a certain game?

hows about not stating your subjective opinion as an objective fact?

It is not Opinion that this game is the worst rule set out there. "I like a game" is not proof a game is not bad.

but saying "this game is the worst gaming system because I do not like it" is evidence, gotcha... You clearly went full CSI and proved me wrong.

No structure
No Balance
Unclear Rules
Rules entirely dependent on models from the type of models owned, to the space they take up right up to the size of the model. Need I bring up spear tips again?

Crossbow men firing cross bows in combat THEN fighting the enemies they shot in combat is also a sign of bad rules.

The only positive is: easy to learn (ignoring the broken rules or unclear rules) but thats because the rules are the bear minimum needed to use their models.

But even poisons have positives.

What makes this game not the worst game out there? No other game fails at so much.

Serious question: Can you play this game without house ruling it? Would the game without house rules be fun? The answer to those questions will show you how bad this game is.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 bitethythumb wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I agree, how can people come back only to play the worst miniatures game I have ever seen in my time is beyond me too.

I feel like there is some exaggeration on their part or something. I am very certain unless the game changes over the next year that very few people will play this.

I agree OP, how can anyone be rekindled by this? At best maybe they mean they are giving it a try because it is free? No idea, can't understand personally.

or maybe its not the worst gaming system and people are not exaggerating their stated opinions? And they have every right to enjoy something even if you do not like it or play it.

Am I removing anyone's right? Or doing anything bad?

The game is objectively the worst game around, you may enjoy it... but that does not stop it from being a bad game. I would be shocked to find someone who does not house rule this game to make it playable.

How about not getting upset that people think its odd you play a certain game?

hows about not stating your subjective opinion as an objective fact?

It is not Opinion that this game is the worst rule set out there. "I like a game" is not proof a game is not bad.

but saying "this game is the worst gaming system because I do not like it" is evidence, gotcha... You clearly went full CSI and proved me wrong.

No structure
No Balance
Unclear Rules
Rules entirely dependent on models from the type of models owned, to the space they take up right up to the size of the model. Need I bring up spear tips again?

Crossbow men firing cross bows in combat THEN fighting the enemies they shot in combat is also a sign of bad rules.

The only positive is: easy to learn (ignoring the broken rules or unclear rules) but thats because the rules are the bear minimum needed to use their models.

But even poisons have positives.

What makes this game not the worst game out there? No other game fails at so much.

Serious question: Can you play this game without house ruling it? Would the game without house rules be fun? The answer to those questions will show you how bad this game is.

clearly you made up your mind but I disagree with every one of your points a d plenty of other people would and I do not think trying to change a stubborn opinion is going to help anyone, enjoy whatever goblins and dragons game you want, they deserve you.

No I have heard your replies on another thread. ALL of them boil down to using house rules and trying not to break the game.

As I said to you many times, feel free to like it. It would just be nice if those people admitted they had to fix the game themselves.

 bitethythumb wrote:


AoS seems to be inspired by ancient heroism lore like Greece or Ramayana (and heman is bloody awesome)etc and rules are simplified not barneyfied, people are saying it has rekindled their hobby love, warhammer is just a setting a lot of people very much love and nothing wrong with that, no matter what style or theme warhammer takes... AoS is new, its a fresh start, its a great place to start from the beginning...

Whatever mythos it is inspired from, Greek hero etc, has as much substance as Heman, which is to say, not very much.

The rules have been oversimplified due to some over polished idea - in the pursuit of simplifying things. A good ruleset has enough going on to appease many types of players, not just the finding the lowest common denominator. Simple to play, and complex in design have been fouled up in AoS, to where its now simple and simple. That makes for a very shallow set of rules.

I understand a lot of people like the warhammer world, but again, they are not coming back to it with AoS; they're not even looking at the same substance that was Warhammer, other than the miniatures themselves. It's the equivalent of using Warhammer miniatures to play in a different universe (a very common thing). It's a fresh start I guess, but it isn't a fresh start within the Warhammer Fantasy World - its even a different name now.