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The word context is being blatantly misused. It's shocking. You don't take a quoted sentence and say that it contextually means the same sentence but with extra words added to it. That's You Adding Context To It.

Anyways as an Ork player I always considered it working for all models as it states. The BRB part about allies, partial allies and enemies doesn't have any effect on an item that specifically says all models in my opinion. The bubble only works for ranged atks. If an enemy model is within 6" it's gonna get charged and the bubble be damned since nothing can shoot at either unit when locked in melee.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Ok...we have an argument here. Does it include enemy models or not?!

No it doesnt, due to the context of the rule.

It states all models and in context, it means all friendly models.

Considering Beam powers specifically call out all units and specify friend and foe, had they wasted the KFF to protect every model friend and foe they would have written that.

"All units under the line (friend and foe) are hit:" (The Psychic Phase Chapter, Types of Psychic powers section, Beam sub-section).

Sanctuary uses similar language "In addition, all units with the Daemon special rule (friend or foe) treat" (Sanctuary Psychic power section).

Those are the rules for beams and sanctuary, and the fact they add additional clarification does not rule against "all models" meaning "all models" in this case. Indeed, I can just as easily argue it supports it: "The fact that Beam and Sanctuary rules specify that all units means all units suggests that when Kustom Force Field says all models it means all models."

Per the tenets of this forum, please provide rules support for your argument; relevant and accurate rules support, rather than claiming a rule with similar words about something different actually is meant to refer to this situation.

pm713 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Or they would assume you can work out that "any model" does include the enemy models...

Except it doesn't as noted by the beam and with the Sanctuary Psychic power rules.

In what universe does ANY mean any model as long as it isn't the enemy rather than any MODEL.

Yeah its very clear cut here, it says ANY model, it means ANY model, as in friendly, your hostile, every single model on the field within the field is granted the ability

PEOPLE OF DAKKADAKKA!!!

Think of it this way: Let's say you were to fire a large blast weapon at a unit locked in combat (which probably isn't legal).
The weapon gets a direct hit. So all the models, be it friend or foe, under the template, are hit.

So, this does include enemy models too. Case closed.

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
PEOPLE OF DAKKADAKKA!!!

Think of it this way: Let's say you were to fire a large blast weapon at a unit locked in combat (which probably isn't legal).
The weapon gets a direct hit. So all the models, be it friend or foe, under the template, are hit.

So, this does include enemy models too. Case closed.

that's not even remotely the same situation.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
PEOPLE OF DAKKADAKKA!!!

Think of it this way: Let's say you were to fire a large blast weapon at a unit locked in combat (which probably isn't legal).
The weapon gets a direct hit. So all the models, be it friend or foe, under the template, are hit.

So, this does include enemy models too. Case closed.

that's not even remotely the same situation.

Uh...what?

 DeathReaper wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
PEOPLE OF DAKKADAKKA!!!

Think of it this way: Let's say you were to fire a large blast weapon at a unit locked in combat (which probably isn't legal).
The weapon gets a direct hit. So all the models, be it friend or foe, under the template, are hit.

So, this does include enemy models too. Case closed.

that's not even remotely the same situation.

It's far more relevant than anything you've come up with.

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
PEOPLE OF DAKKADAKKA!!!

Think of it this way: Let's say you were to fire a large blast weapon at a unit locked in combat (which probably isn't legal).
The weapon gets a direct hit. So all the models, be it friend or foe, under the template, are hit.

So, this does include enemy models too. Case closed.

that's not even remotely the same situation.

Uh...what?

Well for one thing we're covering a piece of wargear, not a shooting attack. Also it isn't legal for you to shoot a blast weapon into combat and the only way that it can occur is if it scatters off from your original target onto units engaged in combat. More importantly, the rules already explicitly state both friend and foe are hit in that specific situation. The issue with the KFF is that is that it is still ambiguous regarding whether or not all models implies friendly or quite literally all (including enemy models). Personally I see it in the case where it includes enemy models simply because the vast majority of situations the enemy won't be close enough to benefit from it (since the Big Mek is typically buried in the middle or behind the boyz).

I conclude All because, without a Rule specifically telling us otherwise, All means All....

 Mr. Shine wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
PEOPLE OF DAKKADAKKA!!!

Think of it this way: Let's say you were to fire a large blast weapon at a unit locked in combat (which probably isn't legal).
The weapon gets a direct hit. So all the models, be it friend or foe, under the template, are hit.

So, this does include enemy models too. Case closed.

that's not even remotely the same situation.

It's far more relevant than anything you've come up with.

My favourite was when psychic powers got brought up

we always played the dark angel power field generator as affecting literally all models. now it's gone from the codex tho :(

Wow, DeathReaper, you are completely over thinking this. GW wording is not consistent, and rules are written as a team. so often where one person see's all as being "ALL" as is, another might feel the need to add "Friend and foe" for emphasis. Emphasis does not change the meaning of the first word, just the weighting.

Further, you state that the wording in beam attacks state "friend and foe", and you interpret this to mean that this wording has to carry on to all other rules. Aside from the fact that's a false premise, here's an alternate viewpoint. The beam type psychic attack, is a shooting attack that hit's friend and foe, you could argue that the addition of the words was to make it clear that although it has to target an enemy unit, you don't _have_ to avoid hitting friendly units, as you do with, for example a flamer template.


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Edit: and to clarify my opinion, here, "all" means "all". Just as an enemy unit in a void shield generator is protected by it, so is everyone within the KFF.

+1 here for "all models" meaning all models. Excellent point about "friend or foe" simply being emphasis/clarification, Goblinzz.