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Liked the game but the release schedule has killed it for me and my group of players its actually killed the game for us.

3 and 4 months between a very small amount of releases is dreadful to the point no ones willing to play it again or even bother to get any of the new stuff when it comes out so thanks ffg you have killed the game in its infancy :(

10penceman wrote:
Liked the game but the release schedule has killed it for me and my group of players its actually killed the game for us.

3 and 4 months between a very small amount of releases is dreadful to the point no ones willing to play it again or even bother to get any of the new stuff when it comes out so thanks ffg you have killed the game in its infancy :(

Sorry you feel that way, but I've enjoyed it greatly and I quite like the release schedule.

I agree, but for different reasons.

Only one person I know took the plunge and bought the starter (so far) and when we played the game it didn't really inspire.

Trouble is, the starter price is making a lot of the X Wing players wince, and the guy with the starter was too underwhelmed to invest further (as was I.)

Consequently, X Wing has surpassed 40K as the most widely played game, and Armada has died with barely a twitch.

Still haven't scratched my fleet based itch, so now looking at Halo, DFC when it comes out or possibly scraping some BFG together.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I agree, but for different reasons.

Only one person I know took the plunge and bought the starter (so far) and when we played the game it didn't really inspire.

Trouble is, the starter price is making a lot of the X Wing players wince, and the guy with the starter was too underwhelmed to invest further (as was I.)

Consequently, X Wing has surpassed 40K as the most widely played game, and Armada has died with barely a twitch.

Still haven't scratched my fleet based itch, so now looking at Halo, DFC when it comes out or possibly scraping some BFG together.

We have a pretty healthy Armada scene where I live. We have at least three stores hosting monthly tournaments and two leagues (one going and another starting next week). Our X-Wing scene is huge as well.

Cant blame FFG on this one. The dock worker slowdown on the west coast delayed the 1st wave and hurt the game by leaving the core sets as stand-alones for an excessive amount of time.

The 1st wave isnt the problem, its the lack of a 2nd wave, and the failure to announce a third wave at gencon.

The third wave probably consists of a ton of Episode VII stuff, which will all be announced sometime in September.

As for wave 2? Yeah, annoyed with how long it's taking to release. I specifically made a $60 per month budget for all of the wave 2 stuff, but have since spent it on some old Star Trek Fasa and vintage SFB stuff.

Core set buy in cost has definitely been a problem for people starting up in my area. Those of us who have bought into it and been playing every week since day one are feeling a bit choked out for options pre-Wave 2 and have started drifting away into other games. I know FFG releases are vague and fluffy things but this one could really be shooting itself in the foot, as I think Armada is a brilliant game.

I loved armada but it has no life in it a fleet game needs capital ships lives and dies on this fact currently fighter types outnumber amount of capital models currently 8 fighter types and only 5 capital classes nextvwave adds 4 capital classes but another 8 fighter/token types . that's fecking dumb.

There should have at least been 6 capital class each side at the start before any one says there is two types each because you can flip the card over its the same class of ship just retrofitted versions.

How can armada have a large gameing group when there is only 2 and 3 ships out must be the most mindnumbing group of people on the planet.

What an utter wasted chance and wasted money.

10penceman wrote:
I loved armada but it has no life in it a fleet game needs capital ships lives and dies on this fact currently fighter types outnumber amount of capital models currently 8 fighter types and only 5 capital classes nextvwave adds 4 capital classes but another 8 fighter/token types . that's fecking dumb.

You do realize that Armada as a whole is only five months old, right? If this game had been around as long as X-Wing as been (which still isn't that long), you might have a valid point. It makes sense that there are lots of different fighter classes, as they are some of the most easily recognizable ships in the the Star Wars Galaxy and are a very important part of space battles in the movies (especially Return of the Jedi, which I get the feeling was FFG's primary thematic inspiration when making this game). Regardless of your opinion, Armada has five capital ship models and eight fight group models for a total of thirteen unique models in the game.

There should have at least been 6 capital class each side at the start before any one says there is two types each because you can flip the card over its the same class of ship just retrofitted versions.

...that offer different stats, so yeah, each model can represent two different ships. Be realistic though; if there were really that many ships available at release, people would have complained even louder about the cost of the game.

How can armada have a large gameing group when there is only 2 and 3 ships out must be the most mindnumbing group of people on the planet.

You're right, we're all just a bunch of brain dead idiots.

What an utter wasted chance and wasted money.

Again, this game has been out for five months and has a healthy following. There were also supply issues that were beyond the control of FFG at the beginning of the game's life.



Some perspective: X-Wing Miniatures was released on September 14, 2012 with a grand total of four ships (X-wing, Y-wing, TIE fighter, TIE Advanced). Wave 2 was released seven months later at the end of February 2013 and upped the ship count to eight. Wave 3 for X-Wing wasn't released until almost a year to day after the initial release of the game (it was announced eight months after the release of the game).

Armada on the other hand, is five months old and there are five capital ship models and eight fighter squadron models. Wave 2 will be probably be in our hands sometime in September, bringing the count to nine capital ship models, eight fighter squadrons, and eight irregular (single ship) 'squadrons.' Armada is in just as good a place as X-Wing was release-wise.

The idea that thr number of capital ship models relative to fighter models somehow translates into a "better" game is pretty silly IMO. As for xwing, I didnt take any interest in the game until wave 3 myself.

Really? I've been playing since wave 2, you know, before it was cool.

I guess at my older age and the generation I grew up in I don't need instant gratification. The game is only 5 or 6 months old give it sometime. It was ranked third in the best selling TT game in the U.S. in the first half of the year so people are buying it. FFG can't control if there is a strike on the shipping docks so if your going to be upset write a letter to the longshoremen Union.

It's early days yet. The first year of X-Wing had fairly little variety - it's just the reality of new miniature wargames. It's okay to shelve it for a few months and pick up playing again after a couple new waves are released.

I'm happy that the 2nd wave hasn't released yet! This give plenty of time for people to play with what they have and for good tactics before new stuff comes out. I will buy wave 2 when it gets here but for now I am perfectly content with what we have. x wing has made a lot of waves obsolete and I don't want that to happen to armada.

Some perspective: X-Wing Miniatures was released on September 14, 2012 with a grand total of four ships (X-wing, Y-wing, TIE fighter, TIE Advanced). Wave 2 was released seven months later at the end of February 2013 and upped the ship count to eight. Wave 3 for X-Wing wasn't released until almost a year to day after the initial release of the game (it was announced eight months after the release of the game).

The variety was way better when X-Wing launched. You had 20+ different pilots right with the starter and wave one, which allowed for quite a few different builds, playstyles and tons of synergies. Armada was rather one-dimensional in that regard, with ship types within a class being not as different from each other as the different types of X-Wing pilots for example. When Armada was released in March, it became boring very, very fast with battles beoming simple copies of each other due to the lack of options. Most players that were enthusiastic at the beginning shelved their starters and quite a few haven't picked them up ever since.

Again, this game has been out for five months and has a healthy following. There were also supply issues that were beyond the control of FFG at the beginning of the game's life.

Cant blame FFG on this one. The dock worker slowdown on the west coast delayed the 1st wave and hurt the game by leaving the core sets as stand-alones for an excessive amount of time.

Yes, FFG can be blamed. Those kinds of delays and misplanning have been consistent with FFG, no matter which product you look at for the past years. Everything from Armada, to X-Wing, Descent or the CCGs have had delays due to some outside scource or were sold out at one time or another. Many other companies were able to anticipate the dock worker strike, for example, and got their product out through other means. If it happens once, it can be credited to bad luck or inexperience, if it happens more than once, such in the case of FFG, it's due to their incompetence, either of their own department that handles shipping or that of their choice of carrier/forwarder.

BRB wrote:

Some perspective: X-Wing Miniatures was released on September 14, 2012 with a grand total of four ships (X-wing, Y-wing, TIE fighter, TIE Advanced). Wave 2 was released seven months later at the end of February 2013 and upped the ship count to eight. Wave 3 for X-Wing wasn't released until almost a year to day after the initial release of the game (it was announced eight months after the release of the game).

The variety was way better when X-Wing launched. You had 20+ different pilots right with the starter and wave one, which allowed for quite a few different builds, playstyles and tons of synergies. Armada was rather one-dimensional in that regard, with ship types within a class being not as different from each other as the different types of X-Wing pilots for example. When Armada was released in March, it became boring very, very fast with battles beoming simple copies of each other due to the lack of options. Most players that were enthusiastic at the beginning shelved their starters and quite a few haven't picked them up ever since.

You're comparing apples to oranges, mate. However, if you would like to compare card counts, we can. The X-Wing core set shipped with ten different pilots and five different upgrade cards (a total of eighteen cards). The Armada core set comes with eighteen upgrades and ten ship cards (including the squadrons). Each expansion pack for Armada also has more cards than any of the Wave 1 X-Wing releases.

You also don't follow Armada very much if you are claiming that it is "one dimensional" especially compared to X-Wing (which is one dimensional, but still vastly fun). There were two early X-Wing lists that just about everyone played: Howlrunner + six Academies and Wedge + Biggs + Red Squadron x2. Every once and a while you'd see a list with a Y-wing or Vader (the 2012 World Champion used Vader with a TIE swarm), but it was rare (especially Vader because it was well known at the that the TIE Advanced was too expensive). Armada has more options and every upgrade and ship is viable, unlike X-Wing (both presently and in the past).

Again, this game has been out for five months and has a healthy following. There were also supply issues that were beyond the control of FFG at the beginning of the game's life.

Cant blame FFG on this one. The dock worker slowdown on the west coast delayed the 1st wave and hurt the game by leaving the core sets as stand-alones for an excessive amount of time.

Yes, FFG can be blamed. Those kinds of delays and misplanning have been consistent with FFG, no matter which product you look at for the past years. Everything from Armada, to X-Wing, Descent or the CCGs have had delays due to some outside scource or were sold out at one time or another. Many other companies were able to anticipate the dock worker strike, for example, and got their product out through other means. If it happens once, it can be credited to bad luck or inexperience, if it happens more than once, such in the case of FFG, it's due to their incompetence, either of their own department that handles shipping or that of their choice of carrier/forwarder.

Wow, that is some reaching right there. I've never seen someone blame a company for a labor dispute that they had no part in.

Wow, that is some reaching right there. I've never seen someone blame a company for a labor dispute that they had no part in.

It's not reaching, it's common sense and common practice. If you're running a company and you're supposed to be getting goods to your customer on time, it's your fault when don't get there and you'll be liable for that. No matter weather it's dock workers in Hong Kong and either of the US coasts, the German postal service, French railroad or an icelandic volcano. There are some you or your carrier can't anticipate (e.g. Eyjafjallajokull) and then there are some that are more easily predicted, especially if you're working with a competent carrier and if it hasn't been the first time a whole product line has been delayed for months due to strikes.


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BRB wrote:

Wow, that is some reaching right there. I've never seen someone blame a company for a labor dispute that they had no part in.

It's not reaching, it's common sense and common practice. If you're running a company and you're supposed to be getting goods to your customer on time, it's your fault when don't get there and you'll be liable for that. No matter weather it's dock workers in Hong Kong and either of the US coasts, the German postal service, French railroad or an icelandic volcano. There are some you or your carrier can't anticipate (e.g. Eyjafjallajokull) and then there are some that are more easily predicted and worked around, especially if you're working with a competent carrier and if it hasn't been the first time a whole product line has been delayed for months due to strikes.

BRB wrote:

Wow, that is some reaching right there. I've never seen someone blame a company for a labor dispute that they had no part in.

It's not reaching, it's common sense and common practice. If you're running a company and you're supposed to be getting goods to your customer on time, it's your fault when don't get there and you'll be liable for that. No matter weather it's dock workers in Hong Kong and either of the US coasts, the German postal service, French railroad or an icelandic volcano. There are some you or your carrier can't anticipate (e.g. Eyjafjallajokull) and then there are some that are more easily predicted, especially if you're working with a competent carrier and if it hasn't been the first time a whole product line has been delayed for months due to strikes

First of all, there was no strike, there was a labor dispute; those are entirely different things. Second of all, do you have inside knowledge of FFG's shipping contracts? If you do, please share it with the class. However, I'm willing to bet that it's a little more complicated than carrying your boxes down to the dock and picking a nice looking ship to sail them across the Pacific Ocean.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

BRB wrote:

Wow, that is some reaching right there. I've never seen someone blame a company for a labor dispute that they had no part in.

It's not reaching, it's common sense and common practice. If you're running a company and you're supposed to be getting goods to your customer on time, it's your fault when don't get there and you'll be liable for that. No matter weather it's dock workers in Hong Kong and either of the US coasts, the German postal service, French railroad or an icelandic volcano. There are some you or your carrier can't anticipate (e.g. Eyjafjallajokull) and then there are some that are more easily predicted, especially if you're working with a competent carrier and if it hasn't been the first time a whole product line has been delayed for months due to strikes

First of all, there was no strike, there was a labor dispute; those are entirely different things. Second of all, do you have inside knowledge of FFG's shipping contracts? If you do, please share it with the class. However, I'm willing to bet that it's a little more complicated than carrying your boxes down to the dock and picking a nice looking ship to sail them across the Pacific Ocean.

Labour disputes that had strikes following in the years before, and if you're not a complete mongrel you could easily read that those disputes were far from being settled and that a strike was likely. Also there is no need to see any details from their shipping contracts as it doesn't matter, it's a matter of "simple" logistics. You usually pick a shipping company, forwarder, carrier or whatever it's called in your country to handle those matters. If you pick an incompetent one, or if you want to take the additional risk, it's your fault. When you, as a company, need to make delivieries that are important to your business line, as the whole Armada line probably is to FFG, you make damn sure they don't get stuck, especially if it's happened to you before. Other companies were able to handle it, no reason whatsoever why FFG or it's carrier couldn't have handled it either.

Well didn't this degrade fast.

Let's get this straight you beleive that 4 ships then nothing then 4 ships in 6months is good get va grip its a game of fleet battles not a skirmish game even a skirmish game has more with in 6 months than this by a factor of at least 10.

Comparisoning it to crappy release of xwing as a defence is a bit messed up if gw done it every one would be burning the shops down. Ffg is not a small company not as big as gw by any means but not small like mantic or Spartan or countless others. There is no excuse for the long long wait and low model count .

As for blameing them for not getting models out yes you can you blame the ones that took the money for it as at the end of the day you pay for them to take responsibility for it but that's irrelevant because even if they did release on time they would still have the exact same model count they do now but with a longer gap between if wave one was there earlier.

As for gives you time to get used to the ships I think everyone got used to it in about what 3 games 4 at most and its not that long a game considering an hour a game say.

Bottom line is this the games good but it is a trinket game to be played and forgotten about for months or year at a time which is an utter shame but not supported by its own company its all it can amount to. The very reason people are annoyed is because it was a very expensive buy in for a trinket game.

Sorry but it is unacceptable and very poor business to do what's been done they get away with it because its star wars and people can't see the Forrest for the trees.

Labour disputes that had strikes following in the years before, and if you're not a complete mongrel you could easily read that those disputes were far from being settled and that a strike was likely. Also there is no need to see any details from their shipping contracts as it doesn't matter, it's a matter of "simple" logistics. You usually pick a shipping company, forwarder, carrier or whatever it's called in your country to handle those matters. If you pick an incompetent one, or if you want to take the additional risk, it's your fault. When you, as a company, need to make delivieries that are important to your business line, as the whole Armada line probably is to FFG, you make damn sure they don't get stuck, especially if it's happened to you before. Other companies were able to handle it, no reason whatsoever why FFG or it's carrier couldn't have handled it either.

Bull, I am a CSR that works for a corrugated box plant, in the Midwest, that handles multiple global accounts. We produce anything from standard brown box's, to full graphics store displays, and highly engineered packaging including foam, corrugated and wood. We had almost 10 Million in orders canceled by our customers during that labor dispute because our customers could not get their product. A lot of these customers have time sensitive contracts with their end customers, for instance Walmart. If they do not have product to them by a certain date the order is canceled. They did not have the luxury of shipping late, they had to lose the order and the business. We are just one plant in the Midwest that was affected by this labor dispute and you are going to tell me that all these customers were mongrels that are to stupid to figure out how to get their product through a closed port? You have no idea what you are talking about, or what the logistics are for shipping something to or from china. Please stop posting your uneducated opinion as fact.

Does anybody remember when the teamsters at UPS went on strike back in the 90's. It pretty much shut everything down, companies that relied on UPS for shipping where in big trouble and their products sat in their warehouses. It's not as easy as you think just to find another shipping company. FedEx and usps could not handle the amount of products that need shipped. It was a total mess

10penceman wrote:
Let's get this straight you beleive that 4 ships then nothing then 4 ships in 6months is good get va grip its a game of fleet battles not a skirmish game even a skirmish game has more with in 6 months than this by a factor of at least 10.

Comparisoning it to crappy release of xwing as a defence is a bit messed up if gw done it every one would be burning the shops down. Ffg is not a small company not as big as gw by any means but not small like mantic or Spartan or countless others. There is no excuse for the long long wait and low model count .

Yes, it's pretty much the exact same way FFG has handled X-Wing. With X-Wing, every wave has between five and seven months between them with the exception of wave five and six (Wave 5 was two ships, which probably had something to do with the short turn around time).

It's not a "defense," it's the way FFG has always done Star Wars games.The fantastic RPG games are even more separated... the Edge of the Empire core rule book came out in June 2013, the Age of Rebellion core rule book came out in July 2014, and the Force and Destiny core rule book came out this month (August 2015). So to act like Armada is unique in terms of gaps between releases is bull gak.

As for blameing them for not getting models out yes you can you blame the ones that took the money for it as at the end of the day you pay for them to take responsibility for it but that's irrelevant because even if they did release on time they would still have the exact same model count they do now but with a longer gap between if wave one was there earlier.

Blame who for taking money?

As for gives you time to get used to the ships I think everyone got used to it in about what 3 games 4 at most and its not that long a game considering an hour a game say.

I know no one that is an Armada expert that can use every combination of ships already. Even the best guys I know are continually tinkering with lists, which is awesome because unlike X-Wing, every ship in Armada is viable.

Bottom line is this the games good but it is a trinket game to be played and forgotten about for months or year at a time which is an utter shame but not supported by its own company its all it can amount to. The very reason people are annoyed is because it was a very expensive buy in for a trinket game.

Forgotten about? I can't wait to prove you so very wrong:

Sorry but it is unacceptable and very poor business to do what's been done they get away with it because its star wars and people can't see the Forrest for the trees.

No, you just don't recognize that this is the way it's always been and you're upset because you can't have all your toys when you want them.

 ChainswordHeretic wrote:

Labour disputes that had strikes following in the years before, and if you're not a complete mongrel you could easily read that those disputes were far from being settled and that a strike was likely. Also there is no need to see any details from their shipping contracts as it doesn't matter, it's a matter of "simple" logistics. You usually pick a shipping company, forwarder, carrier or whatever it's called in your country to handle those matters. If you pick an incompetent one, or if you want to take the additional risk, it's your fault. When you, as a company, need to make delivieries that are important to your business line, as the whole Armada line probably is to FFG, you make damn sure they don't get stuck, especially if it's happened to you before. Other companies were able to handle it, no reason whatsoever why FFG or it's carrier couldn't have handled it either.

Bull, I am a CSR that works for a corrugated box plant, in the Midwest, that handles multiple global accounts. We produce anything from standard brown box's, to full graphics store displays, and highly engineered packaging including foam, corrugated and wood. We had almost 10 Million in orders canceled by our customers during that labor dispute because our customers could not get their product. A lot of these customers have time sensitive contracts with their end customers, for instance Walmart. If they do not have product to them by a certain date the order is canceled. They did not have the luxury of shipping late, they had to lose the order and the business. We are just one plant in the Midwest that was affected by this labor dispute and you are going to tell me that all these customers were mongrels that are to stupid to figure out how to get their product through a closed port? You have no idea what you are talking about, or what the logistics are for shipping something to or from china. Please stop posting your uneducated opinion as fact.

You pretty much just made my point. Orders weren't recieved on time, subsequently cancelled and money lost on your part. Either the risk was taken (a high one in case of the impending strike) in getting the cargo stuck in the ports or you/your carrier took precautions and worked around the strike. I'm willing to bet that your company lost a good deal of money on those cancelled, timed orders, while you yourself made your suppliers bleed in reparations if they weren't able to deliver and didn't take "...but the strike..." for an answer. The "mongrel" was clearly aimed at carriers/customers not being able to anticipate and be warned that the ports could be locked down. If they were surprised by the strike, then yes, they were clearly stupid and the delivery getting stuck was their fault, if they knew and took (or had to take) the risk of it getting stuck, it's unfortutane, but still their fault.

BRB wrote:

 ChainswordHeretic wrote:

Labour disputes that had strikes following in the years before, and if you're not a complete mongrel you could easily read that those disputes were far from being settled and that a strike was likely. Also there is no need to see any details from their shipping contracts as it doesn't matter, it's a matter of "simple" logistics. You usually pick a shipping company, forwarder, carrier or whatever it's called in your country to handle those matters. If you pick an incompetent one, or if you want to take the additional risk, it's your fault. When you, as a company, need to make delivieries that are important to your business line, as the whole Armada line probably is to FFG, you make damn sure they don't get stuck, especially if it's happened to you before. Other companies were able to handle it, no reason whatsoever why FFG or it's carrier couldn't have handled it either.

Bull, I am a CSR that works for a corrugated box plant, in the Midwest, that handles multiple global accounts. We produce anything from standard brown box's, to full graphics store displays, and highly engineered packaging including foam, corrugated and wood. We had almost 10 Million in orders canceled by our customers during that labor dispute because our customers could not get their product. A lot of these customers have time sensitive contracts with their end customers, for instance Walmart. If they do not have product to them by a certain date the order is canceled. They did not have the luxury of shipping late, they had to lose the order and the business. We are just one plant in the Midwest that was affected by this labor dispute and you are going to tell me that all these customers were mongrels that are to stupid to figure out how to get their product through a closed port? You have no idea what you are talking about, or what the logistics are for shipping something to or from china. Please stop posting your uneducated opinion as fact.

You pretty much just made my point. Orders weren't recieved on time, subsequently cancelled and money lost on your part. Either the risk was taken (a high one in case of the impending strike) in getting the cargo stuck in the ports or you/your carrier took precautions and worked around the strike. I'm willing to bet that your company lost a good deal of money on those cancelled, timed orders, while you yourself made your suppliers bleed in reparations if they weren't able to deliver and didn't take "...but the strike..." for an answer. The "mongrel" was clearly aimed at carriers/customers not being able to anticipate and be warned that the ports could be locked down. If they were surprised by the strike, then yes, they were clearly stupid and the delivery getting stuck was their fault, if they knew and took (or had to take) the risk of it getting stuck, it's unfortutane, but still their fault.

Actually, he didn't make your point.

Again, if you have some sort of inside information about FFG's shipping contracts, please share it with the class.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

BRB wrote:

 ChainswordHeretic wrote:

Labour disputes that had strikes following in the years before, and if you're not a complete mongrel you could easily read that those disputes were far from being settled and that a strike was likely. Also there is no need to see any details from their shipping contracts as it doesn't matter, it's a matter of "simple" logistics. You usually pick a shipping company, forwarder, carrier or whatever it's called in your country to handle those matters. If you pick an incompetent one, or if you want to take the additional risk, it's your fault. When you, as a company, need to make delivieries that are important to your business line, as the whole Armada line probably is to FFG, you make damn sure they don't get stuck, especially if it's happened to you before. Other companies were able to handle it, no reason whatsoever why FFG or it's carrier couldn't have handled it either.

Bull, I am a CSR that works for a corrugated box plant, in the Midwest, that handles multiple global accounts. We produce anything from standard brown box's, to full graphics store displays, and highly engineered packaging including foam, corrugated and wood. We had almost 10 Million in orders canceled by our customers during that labor dispute because our customers could not get their product. A lot of these customers have time sensitive contracts with their end customers, for instance Walmart. If they do not have product to them by a certain date the order is canceled. They did not have the luxury of shipping late, they had to lose the order and the business. We are just one plant in the Midwest that was affected by this labor dispute and you are going to tell me that all these customers were mongrels that are to stupid to figure out how to get their product through a closed port? You have no idea what you are talking about, or what the logistics are for shipping something to or from china. Please stop posting your uneducated opinion as fact.

You pretty much just made my point. Orders weren't recieved on time, subsequently cancelled and money lost on your part. Either the risk was taken (a high one in case of the impending strike) in getting the cargo stuck in the ports or you/your carrier took precautions and worked around the strike. I'm willing to bet that your company lost a good deal of money on those cancelled, timed orders, while you yourself made your suppliers bleed in reparations if they weren't able to deliver and didn't take "...but the strike..." for an answer. The "mongrel" was clearly aimed at carriers/customers not being able to anticipate and be warned that the ports could be locked down. If they were surprised by the strike, then yes, they were clearly stupid and the delivery getting stuck was their fault, if they knew and took (or had to take) the risk of it getting stuck, it's unfortutane, but still their fault.

Actually, he didn't make your point.

Again, if you have some sort of inside information about FFG's shipping contracts, please share it with the class.

Clearly reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, so please stop replying to me.

I have played around some 20 odd games of Armada.

I have pretty much 2 of everything so yeah, I am maxing my options here.

The "long" release dates or "waves" I really do not know what to say. Try different scenarios, make your own "special" ships based on lore. Heck, I played around with the rules a bit (move fighters but cannot attack?? madness.)

Yes it sucks to wait. Well this Friday is a new release for X-wing: bounce around between games as you wait for new waves.

I really cannot develop any rage about it, I would say it is a "missed opportunity" for them to not keep the excitement up with a trickle of releases going. The extra fighter packs were nice that little while ago.

Heck, make some rules of an Armada battle then turn it into an X-wing one at some point.

It is not like you put in your money for a kickstarter of this stuff so use your money elsewhere in the meantime.

Star Wars has been a big thing since I was 6 when I saw the first release in the theatres. It has been a long time coming to get a game like this, I waited this long, I can wait for the rest.

BRB wrote:
Clearly reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, so please stop replying to me.

Do you or do you not know the intricacies of FFG's product shipping contracts?

I will assume that you don't and I will also assume that you don't understand what happened at the West Coast ports during the labor dispute. The Los Angeles and Long Beach ports combined account for 40% of all container shipping into the United States. During the dispute, those two, plus 27 other West Coast ports and 20,000 longshoremen were affected so there was no "just ship to another port" solution to the problem. Also, there were major changes to the logistics of trans-Pacific shipping that saw shipping companies changing the way in which they moved products across the ocean. It should also be noted that just about every major company was impacted by this labor dispute because it affected so many ports and so many workers. The automotive and agricultural industries were hit particularly bad, and even Nike saw a pretty substantial hit to their economic growth. But I guess a company like Nike is too dumb to just put their shoes on another boat to get them to America.

Wow.

So, yeah - RULE #1 MUST BE FOLLOWED AT ALL TIMES.


WARNINGS AND SUSPENSIONS ARE IMMINENT.