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 RazgrizOne wrote:

While Coteaz is really bad, my personal ugliest model by GW is

"Coteaz" and "bad" are two words that just don't fit together.

Whoops, I meant Cortez, Captain Cortez (posted above). Coteaz is an awesome model.


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 vipoid wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Well, I did not like the Centurions initially, a "simple" fix makes them better.
Just hack-up the crotch-guard: remove the middle plate and shave flat and glue the side plates on the tops of the legs:

Their heads still look silly to me. It just looks like a space marine put on the armour of a much bigger person.

It literally is. You can see the Marine from a back view of the Centurions. A Power Armour Marine inside a bigger suit, but not with a bigger helmet.

Dark Eldar transvestite slaves.

Logan Grimnar, Stormfang, Dreadknight are bad concepts, not necessarily model quality-wise.

I don't know why everyone hates the Dreadknight so much. It always makes me think of the power loader from Aliens (Get away from her, you B****!), or maybe the AMP suits from Avatar. I think the model is cool, and NOT a frickin' baby carrier!

As for ugly models, the Leman Russ and the Taurox are pretty bad. The Sisters' Penitent Engine is not too great, either. But none of them are so bad I would refuse to run them.

Never got the Logan hate to be honest, infact as a sculpt its pretty darn cool, the wolves ae great and Logan himself is very characterful.
Hes riding a chariot, whats the big deal?

My vote goes to old deffkopta models - not the AoBR ones, the others. Terrible.
+1 for the mutalators too, they look like malformed metal apes.

Agree on the comments that Grimnir Claus is stupid but well executed.

The Taurox is pretty crap, but as a CSM player I've got to say the bottom of the barrel has to be the Mutilators.

Oh, and it's by no means the worst but I think the current DE Archon is really disappointing compared to the previous model.

OH, I've also got to give an honorable mention to the Heldrake.

Specifically the back half of it. The front of the model is awesome but then it's like they just chop off the tail end of the entire model, and end it with this weird vertebrae tail, and a few loose cables? Maybe doing a full blown tail would have made the model too big to fit in a box easily (too many sprues) or too expensive. I dunno. But the tail end of the Heldrake looks really bad.

Murrdox wrote:
OH, I've also got to give an honorable mention to the Heldrake.

Specifically the back half of it. The front of the model is awesome but then it's like they just chop off the tail end of the entire model, and end it with this weird vertebrae tail, and a few loose cables? Maybe doing a full blown tail would have made the model too big to fit in a box easily (too many sprues) or too expensive. I dunno. But the tail end of the Heldrake looks really bad.

I still find it amusing that the rear of the Helldrake resembles a catfish.

 zgort wrote:
What? The Russ at least has some character. Check out the darkshroud. So...ugly...

I think the Darkshroud has a very unique look. Is it the sexiest looking model? No. Is it ugly? Nah. Plus, it's got its own DJ in the back though he's not that loud in the Darkshroud. Magnetize a few things and make it a Land Speeder Vengeance and you have one heck of a booming anti-heretic speaker setup!

SG

Where is she? Where is she?


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OK, there she is!

 deviantduck wrote:

Nothing, and I mean nothing looks worse than the Stormraven. It's a freaking flying pregnant guppy. Thank God Chapter House's conversion makes it look like the mini Thunder Hawk it should have been.

I didn't like the Taurox but that Victoria kit improves it tremendously.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I don't know why everyone hates the Dreadknight so much. It always makes me think of the power loader from Aliens (Get away from her, you B****!), or maybe the AMP suits from Avatar. I think the model is cool, and NOT a frickin' baby carrier!

As for ugly models, the Leman Russ and the Taurox are pretty bad. The Sisters' Penitent Engine is not too great, either. But none of them are so bad I would refuse to run them.

Because they're dumb. That's why people hate DK.

And by "they", I mean the DK. It's a dumb idea.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Guys. Guys.

Just stop, and remember this exists.



This is the point that even GW stopped and looked at itself in confusion.

"Are we being serious?"
"I don't even know."

Someone doesn't like the Leman Russ? That model's AWESOME and is what got me in to this hobby. Such a cool mix of retro and modern.

And how anyone could even think of that tank when this above model exists...

My personal hatred belongs to the old eldar wraithknight, which my friend has run on several occasions in his D spam.
I always argue that it should fire at BS 1 since its cannons aren't pointed at me.

P.S. My image is showing up as an X for me. Just click it to see the image.

That model is hideous. Looks like a toy.

The wave of dreadknight hate is stupid because GW used the EXACT same design for the Eldar Warwalker for decades. At least the lack of a cockpit makes sense on a dreadknight because the pilot is already a terminator. He literally needs no other armor. His robot is just a weapons platform and nothing more.

What is understandably annoying is the idea that a dreadknight is tougher than a tank or a dreadnought, but this is a failure of the 40k ruleset as a whole. The vehicle rules have been wrong ever since 3rd edition came out. GW has sidestepped the rules that make tanks squishier than infantry by designing giant robots in infantry-grade armor who use WHFB Monster rules. Dreadknights, wraithknights and riptides are literally fantasy giants walking around in 40K, and they're all made of some magical substance that resists melta and lascannon fire sufficient to turn a battle tank into molten slag. The melta will deny your save, but you still get your multiple wounds whereas melta can one-shot a tank regardless of hull points. Nobody has ever even tried to offer the flimsiest excuse for an explanation for the bizarre schism in vehicle types. Nobody knows why some giant robots are vehicles whereas others are monsters. I mean we all know the reason in terms of actual rules-writing (GW wanted to make these models overpowered in order to sell lots of them) but there's no fluff explanation for it at all.

FineFail Abaddon. Partly because it has a tendency to not come out well when modelling, partly because the arms hate the torso, but mostly because the Big Bad is shorter than a Guardsman.

And if he took of the armour, he'd be a stick insect.

I still fail to see anything wrong with Abaddon. As far as I see it, it's a pretty cool model (at least, the original metal version, not the failcast copycat) despite the spikes with the heads being a bit too big. And I don't see how such a mini can be faulted for the scale creep that has run rampant in the years after its release, nor the obscene proportions of the plastic guard mutants.

 Korinov wrote:
I still fail to see anything wrong with Abaddon. As far as I see it, it's a pretty cool model (at least, the original metal version, not the failcast copycat) despite the spikes with the heads being a bit too big. And I don't see how such a mini can be faulted for the scale creep that has run rampant in the years after its release, nor the obscene proportions of the plastic guard mutants.

ignoring IG (as GW once admitted they are out of scale, and everything else is fine), Abby is, in Termie armour, the same size as / smaller than a tactical marine. For a guy who's rumored to be the clone of Horus, and is jacked up on the power of the Gods, you'd think he's at least be as big as / bigger than a Chaos Lord in Terminator? The guy should be impressive and intimidating, not weedy.

 Mantorok wrote:
My personal hatred belongs to the old eldar wraithknight, which my friend has run on several occasions in his D spam.
I always argue that it should fire at BS 1 since its cannons aren't pointed at me.

P.S. My image is showing up as an X for me. Just click it to see the image.

Anyone else see the face of Shredder?

 vipoid wrote:
With regard to Cult Mechanicus, I just can't take the Battle Servitors seriously. Probably because whenever I see this:

Spoiler:

All I can think of is this:

Spoiler:

Me neither, I converted some of my own out of Ogres. Also kastellans...pity the kastellans

Mantorok wrote:My personal hatred belongs to the old eldar wraithknight, which my friend has run on several occasions in his D spam.
I always argue that it should fire at BS 1 since its cannons aren't pointed at me.

That's no Wraithknight; that's the old Armorcast Towering Destroyer-class Eldar Knight.

What no-one can argue with though is that it's a terrible model (especially next to the Wraithknight).

 Mantorok wrote:
My personal hatred belongs to the old eldar wraithknight, which my friend has run on several occasions in his D spam.
I always argue that it should fire at BS 1 since its cannons aren't pointed at me.

P.S. My image is showing up as an X for me. Just click it to see the image.

Holy feth. That wins. Someone tear out my eyes please.

 Mantorok wrote:
My personal hatred belongs to the old eldar wraithknight, which my friend has run on several occasions in his D spam.
I always argue that it should fire at BS 1 since its cannons aren't pointed at me.

P.S. My image is showing up as an X for me. Just click it to see the image.

What... What IS this?!?!?!

 Selym wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
I still fail to see anything wrong with Abaddon. As far as I see it, it's a pretty cool model (at least, the original metal version, not the failcast copycat) despite the spikes with the heads being a bit too big. And I don't see how such a mini can be faulted for the scale creep that has run rampant in the years after its release, nor the obscene proportions of the plastic guard mutants.

ignoring IG (as GW once admitted they are out of scale, and everything else is fine), Abby is, in Termie armour, the same size as / smaller than a tactical marine. For a guy who's rumored to be the clone of Horus, and is jacked up on the power of the Gods, you'd think he's at least be as big as / bigger than a Chaos Lord in Terminator? The guy should be impressive and intimidating, not weedy.

Same size as a current tactical marine.

I have the model. It looks perfectly fine side by side with the (metal) chaos termies and the rest of the chaos range of the time. It's a model from the 2nd edition after all, released in the mid 90s. He's decently proportioned, the pose is ok (specially compared with other models from the 90s) and the level of detail is actually quite good.

The problem is the scale creep that happened in the 20 years after his release, not Abaddon himself. And he doesn't look any bad in a 40mm base, btw.

It looked fine at the time but does not now. Just because it looked alright in the 90's does not mean it looks alright now.

Actually, that's probably a direct counter argument to several of GW's business strategies.

For me it is the Taurox. Just a hideously ugly monstrosity. I actually don't mind Mr Grimnar on his wolf pulled sleigh - not saying I like it, just that I don't find it as offensive/stupid as a lot of others.

I think Abbadon looks pretty crap and is in desperate need of a new model. In fact, I would say the same for all of GW's old metal models that are several editions old - with the exception of Azrael. I really like Azrael's model but it could just do with being made a little bit bigger. I have had to model him stood on rocks to give him extra height so he doesn't look like a tiny little man among his Dark Angel brethren.

I honestly don't mind the taurox, sure its a stupid concept, but it looks quite cool to me, and with the upgrade pack, I think it looks freaking amazing.

I quite like logans sled, its pretty cool.

I HATE the leman russ model, it doesn't work, and it looks really dumb.

 Mantorok wrote:
My personal hatred belongs to the old eldar wraithknight, which my friend has run on several occasions in his D spam. I always argue that it should fire at BS 1 since its cannons aren't pointed at me.

This is actually the "Towering Destroyer Knight" by Armorcast.

Brought to you by the same folks who made the "Cauldron of Khorn", "Cannon of Khorn", "Eldar Tempest Grav Tank", "Gobsmasha", "Warhound", "Exocrine Gunbeast", "Haruspex Assault Spawn", "Malefactor Tyranid Transport"...
They made a ton of the big stuff before Forgeworld got online.
All the design love or derp comes from the original Epic game models.

Eldar Towering Destroyer Knight

What a name to boot

Haruspex wrote:
The wave of dreadknight hate is stupid because GW used the EXACT same design for the Eldar Warwalker for decades. At least the lack of a cockpit makes sense on a dreadknight because the pilot is already a terminator. He literally needs no other armor. His robot is just a weapons platform and nothing more.

What is understandably annoying is the idea that a dreadknight is tougher than a tank or a dreadnought, but this is a failure of the 40k ruleset as a whole. The vehicle rules have been wrong ever since 3rd edition came out. GW has sidestepped the rules that make tanks squishier than infantry by designing giant robots in infantry-grade armor who use WHFB Monster rules. Dreadknights, wraithknights and riptides are literally fantasy giants walking around in 40K, and they're all made of some magical substance that resists melta and lascannon fire sufficient to turn a battle tank into molten slag. The melta will deny your save, but you still get your multiple wounds whereas melta can one-shot a tank regardless of hull points. Nobody has ever even tried to offer the flimsiest excuse for an explanation for the bizarre schism in vehicle types. Nobody knows why some giant robots are vehicles whereas others are monsters. I mean we all know the reason in terms of actual rules-writing (GW wanted to make these models overpowered in order to sell lots of them) but there's no fluff explanation for it at all.

The one meltagun shot hit the ammunition stored inside the vehicle causing a chain reaction explosion shredding the vehicle from inside out.
The one meltagun shot hit the foot of the Riptide, mangling the foot, but leaving the Riptide 86% combat effective.