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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im a star wars fan a massive one. I have a giant milleinium falcon in my room.
But im avoiding opening week like the plague, anyone else doing that?

Actually my fiance and I are avoiding the opening weekend too. We hate going to movies with a packed house, even if the audience is good-nature Star Wars fans, so we will be catching it the following week when the crowds have died down. Hopefully it just takes a week for the crowds to die down. Maybe we will see it a month after release, who knows!

 Grey Templar wrote:
Meanwhile, Harrison Fords aging consists of ''I got grey''.

The dude walks away from plane crashes... he is magic.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Is this the first in-atmosphere dogfighting we've had in star wars? That's interesting.

I think there were clips of in atmosphere dog fights during the Order 66 scene in Revenge of the Sith (I think it was how Plo Koon died) but yeah. This would be the first time an in atmosphere dog fight appeared as a center piece in a Star Wars film.

Oh I'm gonna try for opening weekend. I gotta experience a star wars premier at least once. Now to wrastle up a Han costume by Dec 18th.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Is this the first in-atmosphere dogfighting we've had in star wars? That's interesting.

I think there were clips of in atmosphere dog fights during the Order 66 scene in Revenge of the Sith (I think it was how Plo Koon died) but yeah. This would be the first time an in atmosphere dog fight appeared as a center piece in a Star Wars film.

Well, that, and the entire opening scene of Episode 3... that was set in the upper atmosphere, so they could play around with wind drag and smoke effects and the like.

I guess I just count that one as in Space because it looked like Space

We got invited about a week ago. Suck iiiiit!

Highly excited.

I'll probably just wait cause I'm not a fan of huge crowds or screaming children (last two star wars theater experiences *shiver*).

Just bought my 8 tickets for opening day.

Star Wars is the one thing I take fething seriously.

IMHO, Luke at some point after the events in ROTJ pulled a "Ben Kenobi" and removed himself from any kind of spotlight to focus and study more on the Force, with only R2 as a companion. I'd probably guess that he'd been receiving the same kind of Force Ghost training or whatever it was that Ben and Yoda were up to (aside from Kenobi keeping tabs on young Luke).




In a more head scratching note, any of y'all see the idiotic hashtag campaign to boycott the movie??

I'm kinda ok with the EU being jettisoned now, as long as there's a blue skinned black haired Imperial Admiral in the background of a scene...

Although, it's good for Fantasy Flight that the Interdictor Cruisers now showing up in Star Wars Rebels.

Most of the people on the stupid hashtag were talking about how stupid the hashtag was, thus perpetuating the stupid hashtag...

 Compel wrote:
Most of the people on the stupid hashtag were talking about how stupid the hashtag was, thus perpetuating the stupid hashtag...

Welcome to the internet in 2015.

It was a 4chan hoax anyways

A thought for the whole "did the Jedi actually happen?" thing. If were to go to, say your local car body shop in the USA and were to ask them, "which of these people won the medal of honour, Steve Rogers, John Basilone or James Barnes." - how many of them would know immediately? Now AI the same question in the UK. Probably notably less. Ask it in Southern Spain, even less than that.

And there even with media out the like "The Pacific."

Now try asking the question in a location actively hostile against Americans, where the Governments would be actively trying to suppress education about American heroes.

At that point you could see how someone like Rey may be disbelieving of Han's stories.

 Compel wrote:
A thought for the whole "did the Jedi actually happen?" thing. If were to go to, say your local car body shop in the USA and were to ask them, "which of these people won the medal of honour, Steve Rogers, John Basilone or James Barnes." - how many of them would know immediately? Now AI the same question in the UK. Probably notably less. Ask it in Southern Spain, even less than that.

And there even with media out the like "The Pacific."

Now try asking the question in a location actively hostile against Americans, where the Governments would be actively trying to suppress education about American heroes.

At that point you could see how someone like Rey may be disbelieving of Han's stories.

Except imagine if this thing called the US army protected the government of earth for 1000 years keeping the peace through diplomacy and even leading armies of the combined world force. Then 60 years ago the leader of the earth proclaimed that the US army had a coup to over throw the government of earth and ruin what they had worked towards for 1000 years. He then puts a ban on talking about the US Army not long after. Do you really think the world would forget about the US army after only 60 years?

Now imagine if that US army was made up of special men from all over the world who had substantial power and abilities. These guys are chosen to settle disputes and issues before they become wars and they have done so for over a thousand years.

Having them be forgotten after a mere 60 years is Illuminati style silly really. The issues only crop up because of the prequels in my mind.

Also, is the Emperor like 100 years old at time of death or something?

 Swastakowey wrote:
Do you really think the world would forget about the US army after only 60 years?

Except the Jedi Order isn't really a military in the traditional sense; that's a bad analogy.

 Swastakowey wrote:


Also, is the Emperor like 100 years old at time of death or something?

In the old EU, Palpatine was born 82 years BBY and died 4 years ABY so he'd be 86.

Knights Templar seems a pretty fair analogy. They were stomped out and Run into legend after a scandal and treason plot. Most know of Knights, some could recognize a cross but very few of us would believe someone claiming to be a Templar today was anything but a crazy person.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Compel wrote:
A thought for the whole "did the Jedi actually happen?" thing. If were to go to, say your local car body shop in the USA and were to ask them, "which of these people won the medal of honour, Steve Rogers, John Basilone or James Barnes." - how many of them would know immediately? Now AI the same question in the UK. Probably notably less. Ask it in Southern Spain, even less than that.

And there even with media out the like "The Pacific."

Now try asking the question in a location actively hostile against Americans, where the Governments would be actively trying to suppress education about American heroes.

At that point you could see how someone like Rey may be disbelieving of Han's stories.

Except imagine if this thing called the US army protected the government of earth for 1000 years keeping the peace through diplomacy and even leading armies of the combined world force. Then 60 years ago the leader of the earth proclaimed that the US army had a coup to over throw the government of earth and ruin what they had worked towards for 1000 years. He then puts a ban on talking about the US Army not long after. Do you really think the world would forget about the US army after only 60 years?

Now imagine if that US army was made up of special men from all over the world who had substantial power and abilities. These guys are chosen to settle disputes and issues before they become wars and they have done so for over a thousand years.

Having them be forgotten after a mere 60 years is Illuminati style silly really. The issues only crop up because of the prequels in my mind.

Also, is the Emperor like 100 years old at time of death or something?

Except, the US army is probably a larger percentage of the World Population than the Jedi were of the Galactic population. Including both active and reserve members of all branches of the US armed services, there are about 2 million members, out of a planetary population of 7 billion. There were only ever a few thousand Jedi, out of a Galactic population of at least a few trillion.

I was using a mythical US army in a mythical world. Bad idea I have now realized.

The thing with templars is imagine if they ended only 60 years ago... would we consider them myth by now? Doubt it a lot, especially if they are as important and public as jedi were shown to be.

Remember Jedi lead whole armies on the front line (and behind enemy lines) while also doing diplomacy etc. We all remember WW2 generals from 60 years ago who did less than the Jedi did. I mean nobody will think you are a nutter for claiming Rommel did indeed command a German army... And Rommel was not around for 1000 years like the Jedi were.

 Swastakowey wrote:

Except imagine if this thing called the US army protected the government of earth for 1000 years keeping the peace through diplomacy and even leading armies of the combined world force. Then 60 years ago the leader of the earth proclaimed that the US army had a coup to over throw the government of earth and ruin what they had worked towards for 1000 years. He then puts a ban on talking about the US Army not long after. Do you really think the world would forget about the US army after only 60 years?

Those who were alive when the US army were around obviously would still remember them... but for the next generation, the US army is going to be nothing more than something from stories that they've overheard the old folk talking about from time to time.



Again, this is being built up into something that hasn't actually been presented in the trailer. We haven't been told that the entire galaxy has forgotten that the Jedi ever existed. We've seen that some young girl on some desert planet somewhere has heard stories about them and doesn't know if those stories are real.

The galaxy is a big place, there are planets who hadnt heard of the Jedi even when they were still around, in addition of the Purge (which wasnt just killing the Jedi, it was wiping out any trace of them, records etc), its not unlikely that 50 years after the Purge happened, that people would have forgotten about them.

 insaniak wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

Except imagine if this thing called the US army protected the government of earth for 1000 years keeping the peace through diplomacy and even leading armies of the combined world force. Then 60 years ago the leader of the earth proclaimed that the US army had a coup to over throw the government of earth and ruin what they had worked towards for 1000 years. He then puts a ban on talking about the US Army not long after. Do you really think the world would forget about the US army after only 60 years?

Those who were alive when the US army were around obviously would still remember them... but for the next generation, the US army is going to be nothing more than something from stories that they've overheard the old folk talking about from time to time.



Again, this is being built up into something that hasn't actually been presented in the trailer. We haven't been told that the entire galaxy has forgotten that the Jedi ever existed. We've seen that some young girl on some desert planet somewhere has heard stories about them and doesn't know if those stories are real.

I agree, just if people are gonna defend the possibility I may as well reject the idea of it being a possibility (or something). In a way, this is a problem with gap between 3 and 4. I mean, even high ranking 40 year old men on the imperial death star called a 20 year old religion ancient etc...

We know as a canon fact that Han Solo, as a smuggler who traveled the galaxy extensively and for whom knowledge was essential for survival, didn't believe in Jedi and The Force. We know as a canon fact that Luke, a regular guy, didn't really know what is happening in the galaxy other than "there is a rebellion" and was happy that random droids showed up because that was the most he had heard about the world away from his planet in forever.

We can keep on talking about what a super advanced communication network should look like in the future, but the canon shows a bunch of people who didn't know jack.

 d-usa wrote:
We know as a canon fact that Han Solo, as a smuggler who traveled the galaxy extensively and for whom knowledge was essential for survival, didn't believe in Jedi and The Force. We know as a canon fact that Luke, a regular guy, didn't really know what is happening in the galaxy other than "there is a rebellion" and was happy that random droids showed up because that was the most he had heard about the world away from his planet in forever.

We can keep on talking about what a super advanced communication network should look like in the future, but the canon shows a bunch of people who didn't know jack.

Which would be fine until we see the prequels. Unless they plan on ignoring the prequels it seems kind of weird that even people who were adults during the jedi coup and would no doubt have heard a lot of news about jedi leading the clones to victory in a galactic war.

It's kind of like GW saying there are 1 million marines except starwars saying everyone has the brain of a drain. I dont know, would have been better if it had not been for the prequels showing the jedi to be everywhere doing everything.

If anything that only lends to the plausibility that not that many people were familiar with Jedi or the Force in the galaxy. Tarkin's character has of course been expanded since then (he was one of the first to benefit from the new canon), and that comment is most easily explained by Tarkin having never put much faith in the Jedi at all and believing them to be a relic of the past. And in Star Wars: Rebels, despite Kade's obvious aptitude, Tarkin immediately questions the legitimacy of his claim to be a Jedi (suggesting he truly believed to that point the Jedi were dead).

 d-usa wrote:
We can keep on talking about what a super advanced communication network should look like in the future, but the canon shows a bunch of people who didn't know jack.

Indeed.

The EU explained this with the idea that communication between worlds was possible and relatively easy - but expensive. Which sort of fits with what little we've been shown. The OT only ever showed relatively short range communications between ships, with the exception of the Emperor contacting Vader by hologram.

Likewise, you only ever see that sort of communication in the Prequels being used by Jedi, the military, or the government.

The implication is that to the average citizen, it's just not as simple as picking up the phone or switching on the TV.


Having said that, the EU did also have a New Republic-wide news service...


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 Swastakowey wrote:
Which would be fine until we see the prequels. Unless they plan on ignoring the prequels it seems kind of weird that even people who were adults during the jedi coup and would no doubt have heard a lot of news about jedi leading the clones to victory in a galactic war. .

Sure, they might have heard of the Jedi because of that.


But, to return to the US army analogy, if you went to the pub, and some old fogey nursing his 6th beer of the evening told you that US Generals in Vietnam were capable of leaping 60 feet into the air and of choking Viet Cong with the power of their minds from the other side of a paddock, would you accept that as unadulterated fact?

Or would you maybe think that the story might be somewhat embroidered...?

I'm going to side with Swastakowsy in this debate- it takes a lot of mental gymnastics and hand-wavium to reach the conclusion that a Galaxy of trillions (many of whom can live for centuries) more or less forgot about the existence of super-police and generals who were a central authority in the galaxy for over a thousand generations (not a thousand years, "generations", meaning likely hundreds of thousands of years).

Applying occam's razor, it's a lot more likely that it's just a minor plot-convenience and/or Disney and friends aren't really that interested in being consistent with the prequels.

Say he said they believed in the force and used a ceremonial combat sword and lead entire armies and defeated many enemies as a result I would believe that given the context and enormity of the war along with what all the other soldiers are saying about it. Plus they have been doing this for thousands of years.

I certainly would not think he is crazy. Embellished? maybe. But certainly not laugh at the idea of these warrior generals who for thousands of years have helped govern and lead wars all over the known lands.



It seems in the prequels they say a thousand years and generations, not sure which is true. Palpatine says it when he takes over with the words "Thousand years" so im not sure what the real one is there.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Applying occam's razor, it's a lot more likely that it's just a minor plot-convenience and/or Disney and friends aren't really that interested in being consistent with the prequels.

...or that nobody's actually suggested that the entire galaxy has completely forgotten about the Jedi...

So we're in agreement, the Jedi being myths and legends by this point in the galactic timeline instead of academic fact that you could look up in Star Wars equivalent of google is silly?