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It's not hard to figure out if you look at the poster.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Anyone wonder about the massive manmade-looking trench in the arctic scene with the starfighters?

Starkiller Base.

Star Destroyer, Star Killer, Death Star...

I wonder how stars feel about the Empire's negative representation of them.

 Blood Hawk wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I thought it was because the writing and direction was so bad, jedi powers were useless before it.

So Palpatine had plot stealth? Kinda like plot armor but it makes you undetectable by people who should totally detect you.

Exactly.

Sometimes The Force just means forcing yourself to look past the plot holes so that you can enjoy the rest of the movie.

 d-usa wrote:
Sometimes The Force just means forcing yourself to look past the plot holes so that you can enjoy the rest of the movie.

Theres alot of things that can be said about that statement

And all the lurking plotholes.

The Force means never having to say you're sorry.

That big trench may be just a Force induced plot hole.

 Ahtman wrote:
The Force means never having to say you're sorry.

The force means "no more worries for the rest of your days..."

Still, the best things to come from the trailer so far are the memes and jokes.

Starkiller was an homage to Luke's original last name before they changed it.

Jedi had different powers and specialties. Even combat had its own skills that certain jedi were better at.(Disney canon BTW). In the books set during the Clone Wars it was mentioned that some jedi were practically useless in combat. They specialized in healing or agriculture or other non-combat related fields and were often sent off on missions of that nature. The one I think of off hand had a jedi holding off Vader during the Purge while some special forces guys evacuated some non-com jedi and the padiwan.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Anyone wonder about the massive manmade-looking trench in the arctic scene with the starfighters?

My biggest fear is that this is going to veer dangerously close to the plot of A New Hope. The appearance of yet another Big Ball of Doom on the poster, plus man made trenches on the snowy 'planet', do little to dispel this fear.

The thing about simple action based stories like Star Wars is that it's difficult to find lots of new intricate plot ideas that can be expressed mainly in simple action terms.

I'm not saying that's a major flaw, let's face it, all the Bond films have the same basic plot. It just means you should not hope for this kind of film to challenge you intellectually.

Let's look at it this way:

Episode IV: had a Death Star and Vader's helmet, and was good.
Episode V: had an ice planet and Vader's helmet and was good.
Episode VI: had a Death Star and Vader's helmet and was good.
Episode I: Had none of that and we got Annie going "yippie" and Jar Jar Binks.
Episode II: Had none of that and we got the space version of "I wish I knew how to quit you".
Episode III: Had a few minutes of Vader's helmet and a look at a Death Star and was the least horrible of the prequels.

Based on this sound scientific examination of all previous movies Episode VII will be the best Star Wars yet because it had a Death Star, an Ice Planet, and Vader's helmet.

You can't argue against evidence of that magnitude.

Episode did indeed have a few seconds of death star...

 d-usa wrote:
Let's look at it this way:

Episode IV: had a Death Star and Vader's helmet, and was good.
Episode V: had an ice planet and Vader's helmet and was good.
Episode VI: had a Death Star and Vader's helmet and was good.
Episode I: Had none of that and we got Annie going "yippie" and Jar Jar Binks.
Episode II: Had none of that and we got the space version of "I wish I knew how to quit you".
Episode III: Had a few minutes of Vader's helmet and a look at a Death Star and was the least horrible of the prequels.

Based on this sound scientific examination of all previous movies Episode VII will be the best Star Wars yet because it had a Death Star, an Ice Planet, and Vader's helmet.

You can't argue against evidence of that magnitude.

Welp that's it everyone. The internet is over. GG no re

@ Killkrazy - Hmm... to some degree.

Bear in mind that Empire was a completely different story (basically a chase movie), so it's not impossible.

For all their faults, Clones and Sith had different plots. Clones actually has one of the more intriguing plot lines of the saga, it just got buried under crap directing, acting and dialogue.

I'm not saying there is only one plot, but maybe there are only three.

There are supposed to be 12 basic plots in all drama. (Not sure I completely believe that.)

At any rate, Star Wars is an action series, not something like a detective drama. The plots of films I, II and III are widely recognised as dull crap that has inferior mechanical design, annoying characters. Maybe they tried too hard to be deep.

Lol, maybe.

It pains me that Clones should be an awesome film and yet is the worst of the six.

You're probably right that the detective and political elements just don't work in Star Wars.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I'm not saying there is only one plot, but maybe there are only three.There are supposed to be 12 basic plots in all drama. (Not sure I completely believe that.)

Eh. 7. 8. 12. One could say it's just a matter of...

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Perspective.

Maybe they tried too hard to be deep.

I'd agree with this. It doesn't help that when Lucas tries to be deep, he comes off as an idiot. Watching him try to pass off some bastardized version of Taoism where light and dark have to be balanced or gak hits the fan but light is still totally evil and light is totally good no matter what expect if you're not in balance you're somehow just as evil as black even though you're clearly not is- I don't even freaking know. Watching Lucas try to pass himself off as some kind of deep thinker is aneurysm inducing.

Again, it was Lucas unfettered by people who could actually write and direct.

Even Christopher Lee was hard pressed to be a badass when his character was named Count Dookie er Dooku. Seriously? Are you going to make people laugh to death?

Most of the bad guys were not ominous, they were dorks. Compare the robot troopers with Imperial storm troopers? Even the good guys were dorks. The rebels in SW and ESB were getting the crap kicked out of them and they were dying left and right. In the Phantom Joke the Jamaicans or whatever fought with balls of water...ok.

its only in Sith that anybody was nasty or slightly dangerous.

i think that will be rectified in this series.

Well I keep saying. I don't think it's possible to be worse than the Star Wars prequels. With all the money involved, you have to really really really feth up to produce films so bad.

 d-usa wrote:
Let's look at it this way:

Episode IV: had a Death Star and Vader's helmet, and was good.
Episode V: had an ice planet and Vader's helmet and was good.
Episode VI: had a Death Star and Vader's helmet and was good.
Episode I: Had none of that and we got Annie going "yippie" and Jar Jar Binks.
Episode II: Had none of that and we got the space version of "I wish I knew how to quit you".
Episode III: Had a few minutes of Vader's helmet and a look at a Death Star and was the least horrible of the prequels.

Based on this sound scientific examination of all previous movies Episode VII will be the best Star Wars yet because it had a Death Star, an Ice Planet, and Vader's helmet.

You can't argue against evidence of that magnitude.

A similar logic would establish that films involving Chewbacca are better than films that don't.

These all seem to be rational theories.

Although, the holiday special torpedoes the Chewie theory...

The Holiday Special is a lie. It's like Star Trek: Enterprise.

 insaniak wrote:
The Holiday Special is a lie. It's like Star Trek: Enterprise.

People still think the Shadows of the Empire movie doesn't exist. I don't trust those people. It's a mother to find on eBay though! Only been able to track it down once when I was too young to buy it. Plus the one time I saw a 20 minute or so chunk of it in FAOSchwartz when I was a kid.


After typing, I realize my connection of "_____ is a lie" is a slight stretch from "people still think _____ doesn't exist". I still stand by the rest though.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
People still think the Shadows of the Empire movie doesn't exist. I don't trust those people. It's a mother to find on eBay though! Only been able to track it down once when I was too young to buy it. Plus the one time I saw a 20 minute or so chunk of it in FAOSchwartz when I was a kid. .

I have no idea what you saw, but it wasn't a Shadows of the Empire movie.

There was a trailer made for Shadows, but it was just compiled from clips from ESB and RotJ. The whole point of the Shadows project was to generate the hype (and thus merchandise potential) of a movie without actually making a movie.

Is it like that scenario where heaps of people saw an "extended" Waterloo movie despite all official sources saying that there has only been one version of the movie released?

 Swastakowey wrote:
Is it like that scenario where heaps of people saw an "extended" Waterloo movie despite all official sources saying that there has only been one version of the movie released?

Possibly more like the 'Revenge of the Jedi' thing...

I remember seeing a snippet in a magazine some time in between the release of ESB and RotJ that had a photo of a Rodian, and was captioned 'Greedo, from Revenge of the Jedi' or words to that effect. That article led to a whole bunch of people thinking that there was a prequel movie floating around that nobody had ever heard of before... It was only years later that we all found out that 'Revenge...' was just the working title for RotJ, and 'Greedo' was actually just 'Un-named Rodian'... (Or possibly 'Beedo'... but I may have made that up...)


The most likely options for a Shadows 'movie' would be either the trailer, or the CGI cutscenes from the PC version of the computer game.

It involved Dash. Didn't have any of the main actors-no Carrie Fisher or Mark Hammill. But it was a movie. Real people. Details are so fuzzy, but it was definitely real people. Watched like 20 mins of it before I got dragged out by parents (it was 9 years ago).