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2015/12/18 13:56:23
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
treslibras wrote: I went out and had to think for a long time if I liked what I had just seen or not.
Overall, I would say JJAbrams did a very good job, considering the expectations he had to face.
Awesome fan-service? Check!
Bringing back the old "it is a vast and dirty, grimy universe, and jedi are something special!"-feeling that George Lucas killed so efficiently with Episode I-III? Check!
Hommage to the old characters while building up new ones? Check!
Cool action? Check!
Open questions? Check!
But then again....
- MAJOR SPOILERS ahead:
Spoiler:
NEGATIVES:
- What I did not like was that the movie was essentially a rehash of Episode 4. Was that necessary? I do not think so.
- I also did not like that while the movie is (too) full of fan service in terms of direct quotes, analogue scenes and lots of original props, it does too little to get people up to date on the original characters. For example: Leia was supposed to be a jedi by now. Instead she is General Granny. I know Carrie Fisher's face is essentially frozen, thanks to years of medication. But:
- The chemistry between her and Han Solo was almost non-existent.
- Death Star 3 almost single-handly de-legitimized the whole project.
- Why bother with Captain Phasma? Like, at all? Just switch of the shields? A total opportunist? And where did she go? I am sure she will play a bigger role in Episode VIII but come ON!
- And General babyface Hux? Seriously, that guy vs. Moff Tarkin... Totally delegitimized the whole organization - and the Nuremberg rally scene.
->They should not have called in "Starkiller base" but "Space College" with all the squabbles between young male adults...
- And while the death of Han Solo makes a lot of sense in hindsight - how can you build up new characters when the old ones still steal the show, plus, Harrison Ford's health does not bode well for many more movies with him - the reasons for Kylo Ren's turn to the dark side or his inner conflicts/the family conflicts are so superficially scraped that the whole scene - to me - had no emotional impact besides the "Oh no, they really kill Han Solo!" meta-pain... I know, Episode VIII will answer a lot of that (supposedly) but still, story telling could have been better.
- the pacing is too fast and the story telling boringly sequential (1.2.3.4.5.6...)
- Minor quib: The new Emperor loooks like an oversized Gollum.
- Also: Poe Dameron? Good pilot, no identification. Deus ex machina, as well. Talk about taking short-cuts (or cutting out minor storylines for the extended Bluray version...)
POSITIVES:
- What I really liked were the characters of Finn (although I am interested where his character will/can still go) and Rey (great cast - and I was very critical of her choice beforehand),
- her (re-)introduction into the Force,
- the questions left open (so many movies bore me to death with giving everything away/spelling everything out),
- as a stand alone movie it works well enough. It is a very nice scifi action movie with nice characters, lots of things to look at and a down-to-earth-feeling. As the opening of a trilogy / quadrilogy / quintilogy it will work much better a) in its extended version and b) in hindsight.
- the Awesome Props! The inside of the Millenium Falcon gave the movie more realism and grittiness than any of the action scenes.
- The humour!
- It is much more Star Wars than Episode 1-3 were, but mostly by look and feel, the story-telling lacks most of the epos, so far (it could be felt in the end, though, so I have hopes for the following episodes)
UNDECIDED:
Is Babyface Goth a good choice as Kylo Ren?
The movie smells like an Extended Version will be coming our way next year which will explain a lot more. I am going to buy it.
Spoiler:
I would only really disgree with your views on general Hux (Domhnall gleeson) i thought he portrayed the character well, especially the Nuremburg rally scnee, his fanatical speech showed the first order to be something darker then the empire. Almost Whermacht Vs the SS.
Other thing, Leia wasnt supposed to be anything, in the EU she was supposed to be a bit of a Jedi, but i think making her the rebel\resistance leader suited her role more, force sensetive, but took a different path.
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2015/12/18 13:59:13
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
I saw it last night and can honestly say it was truly excellent!
I absolutely hated the prequels so this was a welcome return. The force awakens also feels more like the original trilogy than the prequels did. Just brilliant, ticked all the boxes for me
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2015/12/18 15:25:09
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
I've been reading a lot of reviews on various sites/forums, and there seems to be a disturbance in the force....
Nerd rage seems to be simmering under the surface, ready to erupt and overwhelm us all
some fans have watched it again and the common complaint is this:
Spoiler:
It's just a re-hash of a new hope.
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2015/12/18 15:29:39
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
I could do with a rehash of ANH if most of the chars weren't so bland. I'm also missing the Jedi fights from the prequels ironically, with the over the top force powers and jumping. The fighting in this is a lot more tame.
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2015/12/18 15:37:17
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Sining wrote: I could do with a rehash of ANH if most of the chars weren't so bland. I'm also missing the Jedi fights from the prequels ironically, with the over the top force powers and jumping. The fighting in this is a lot more tame.
Like me, you're praying for a return of George Lucas
I've been reflecting about this a lot, concerning Lucas, and here's what I think.
Without a shadow of a doubt, Phantom Menace is a bad movie, BUT
It was an honest attempt to make a Star wars film, to be true to what Star Wars stood for. I can respect that, even if Jar Jar Binks urinated all over it
Lucas' heart was in the right place, even if the execution was woeful.
Spoiler:
TFA on the other hand, is exactly what people feared when Disney got the franchise and Lens Flare got the director's seat. It looks great, it ticks the right boxes, but there's no depth. It has no soul... It's a re-hash.
Death Star. Tick.
'Vader.' Tick.
and so on and so on...
I like Star Wars, but I've never loved it, but TFA disappointed me, much in the way the new star trek films did.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2015/12/18 15:41:49
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Sining wrote: It's more like the movie has a lot of wasted potential.
Spoiler:
Like Phasma, who I thought was going to be boba-fett kind of badass but turns out to be as lame as a regular stormtrooper.
Did they ever explain why Ywings, Awings, TIE interceptors and TIE bombers are apparently no longer used in the movie?
Or even why the resistance and the republic are separate
In answer to your questions, it's a resounding NO to every one!
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2015/12/18 15:50:48
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
@Rick_1138: Maybe my expectations of what we could get from the original characters were indeed a bit too high but it seems a bit unfair that Han Solo could be Han Solo, Luke Skywalker could be
Spoiler:
the new obi wan
but Leia was hardly more than an extra.
Maybe episode 8 will give her a bit more space.
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2015/12/18 15:58:46
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Sining wrote: I'm also missing the Jedi fights from the prequels ironically, with the over the top force powers and jumping.
No. No. No. No. No. No.
I'm glad to see them going back to the more Samurai film oriented look and feel then the Muppets meet Wuxia of the prequels.
Spoiler:
Yeah it was a rehash of A New Hope but the characters were well done and it did a good job of telling their story and introducing us to them while setting up the pieces for further films.
My main contention is that Chewie just walks past Leia like he never met her after what happened to Han. He was Han's best friend and she was also Chewie's friend and Han's friend/main squeeze/baby mama but suddenly it is like they never met before. I can get over a lot of the other stuff but that annoyed the piss out of me.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2015/12/18 17:27:52
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
The more I think about it, the more I believe this is the Star Wars saga's Superman Returns
Spoiler:
i.e. a remake of the very first film. The rehash of Episode 4's plot is without a doubt the main fault with the movie. It doesn't help when they keep making "It's like the Death Star, but bigger!" comments.
That said, there was also a lot to enjoy. Shame the overall film was an uneven piece, but hopefully it's something to build on for Episode 8.
1. Rehash of a New Hope - blowing up a 2nd Death Star two films after the first was just about tolerable, but I was incredulous they would do it a 3rd time particularly as Force Awakens directly follows Jedi in the saga. At least the 2nd Death Star assault was cool, but pretty much everything about this version from the briefing to the attack runs just feels rushed and shoe horned in.
2. Snoke - "When you see him, you'll understand why he had to be CGI" said Andy Serkis. Well I've seen him and I'm at a complete loss as to why he needed to be CGI. Would rather have seen Serkis - who is a fine actor in his own right - for real this time.
3. The entire section that takes place on Han Solo's freighter - Utter rubbish and completely pointless. It could be removed from the film and you wouldn't notice the gap.
4. Appearance of J.J. Abrams regulars - don't give parts to your mates. It's jarring to see the guy from Heroes next to the guy from Lost. At least Simon Pegg recognised this and insisted on a being a guy in a costume.
5. The Poe Dameron plot hole - Survived the Tie Fighter crash, didn't bother hunting for BB8, managed to get off Jakku and back to the Resistance base. They explained that in a sentence when arguably it need an entire film.
The good...
1. Ridley and Boyega - Super proud of these two young Brits. Ridley needs to develop a bit more as an actor, while Boyega could tone down the Will Smith elements of his performance, but really admired the enthusiasm from both. Compare this pair to Christensen and Portman in Clones - it's no contest.
2. Kylo Ren's Tantrums - Arguably the two best scenes in the film as he goes into RAGE mode with his light sabre while various First Order underlings retreat quietly away.
3. The Millenium Falcon chase on Jakku - Pure unadulterated Star Wars
4. The light sabre duel - Bit of an opinion divider, but I loved it especially when Rey takes over.
5. BB8 - Awesomely clever and deliverer of some genuinely funny moments
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One other thing I liked (I don't really think it needs spoilering, but just in case):
Spoiler:
I liked how they handled the missing 20th Century Fox Fanfare:
Just do the Lucasfilm Logo in silence and skip trying to do any kind of replacement, and just make the iconic Star Wars Theme the very first sound you hear.
If they would have done any kind of replacement it probably would have ended up with nerd rage and complaining about how it's never going to be as good as the original.
2015/12/18 18:45:46
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
About the light saber fights, I thought they were perfect in action I just didn't care about them. The actual story that went with the fight was so bland.
They literally only fight so that:
Spoiler:
Rey can solidify her spot as Mega Mary Sue and so they can have a fight. Nothing more too it I felt.
2015/12/18 19:03:06
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Swastakowey wrote: About the light saber fights, I thought they were perfect in action I just didn't care about them. The actual story that went with the fight was so bland.
They literally only fight so that:
Spoiler:
Rey can solidify her spot as Mega Mary Sue and so they can have a fight. Nothing more too it I felt.
I think that they fight for two reasons:
Spoiler:
Yes, one of them was to push Rey into accepting the fact that the Force is calling to her and letting the Force take over and guide her. As to the Mary Sue thing, was everybody complaining that Luke was a Mary Sue, that R2D2 was a Mary Sue, that Anakin was Mary Sue, that every single Jedi was a Mary Sue? Honestly, complaining that the main force user in a Star Wars movie is a good mechanic, great pilot, great shot, and is used by the Force whenever it is needed is a "Mary Sue" makes sense if someone has not watched a single other Star Wars movie.
The other equally important reason, if not a bigger reason for character development, is to have Finn fight. His fight is arguably more important because Rey has the force guiding her so she "knows" what she is doing and trusts the Force. Finn knows just how evil and perverse the First Order really is, and even further Finn knows just how purely evil and powerful Kylo Ren is since he was raised in the First Order and witnessed him in battle. The first 2 Acts of the movie are all about Finn going "feth these guys, they are pure unadulterated evil, I need to "nope that crap" and run, you need to run, anybody not running is stupid, why aren't you running yet, let's run". Finn knows he doesn't have the force, he knows he has no chance, he knows he has no hope, he knows he is fethed, but he stands up to Kylo Ren for his friend.
Yes, it also ties in to the "It's ANH all over again" complaint and is a more dramatic version of Han Solo's redemption story (I got my gold, feth you guys, you should be running....never mind, I'm gonna shoot Vader, you take that shot Luke and let's go home), but it's still more reasons for the fight other than "Mary Sue"
2015/12/18 19:06:22
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Overall I enjoyed it. It really feels like they crammed all of the "checkboxes" from the OT into the film, but I'm hoping that's just to reestablish the setting/theme (Not-Tatooine? Check. Not-Hoth? Check. Not-Endor? Check!). More thoughts in spoilers:
Spoiler:
Most of the characters were pretty good and it felt very "Star Wars" to me.
I was sad when Kylo Ren took his mask off, revealing a whinier, uglier Jon Snow (I mean this mainly tongue-in-cheek, not nerd-rage ). I think he might develop into a really interesting character in the next movies. He has the "anger" part of the Dark-side down pat, but his conflict with the light side seems like a huge plot hook. Yes, he killed his father, but it didn't feel like it sealed the deal with the dark side like he was hoping...
Rey definitely came across as a Mary Sue; really not much she couldn't do. I can reconcile her kicking Ren's arse in the lightsabre duel due to him being previously wounded and such (though it still makes me "HMM!" a bit ). Did anyone else notice that she seemed rather angry and vicious in that fight? I remember reading someone's theory before (maybe here?), but it would be really interesting to see Rey and Kylo Ren switch their respective sides.
Finn was decent. Nothing too much to say there.
On a purely selfish note, I'm sad that Atsy died (random X-Wing alien). His pilot ability in the X-Wing Miniatures Game is pretty cool, but his speedy death makes me wonder...
All in all, I'm thinking/hoping that the next movies will see more creativity and development, now that they've gotten the "original Star Wars" homages out of the way.
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2015/12/18 19:18:08
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Goremaul wrote: ...but I'm hoping that's just to reestablish the setting/theme (Not-Tatooine? Check. Not-Hoth? Check. Not-Endor? Check!).
Because nobody has access to DVDs, right?
I won't be seeing it until Christmas weekend but as long as they didn't wholesale recycle everything like they did with Into Darkness, it should be okay.
2015/12/18 19:34:00
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Swastakowey wrote: About the light saber fights, I thought they were perfect in action I just didn't care about them. The actual story that went with the fight was so bland.
They literally only fight so that:
Spoiler:
Rey can solidify her spot as Mega Mary Sue and so they can have a fight. Nothing more too it I felt.
I think that they fight for two reasons:
Spoiler:
Yes, one of them was to push Rey into accepting the fact that the Force is calling to her and letting the Force take over and guide her. As to the Mary Sue thing, was everybody complaining that Luke was a Mary Sue, that R2D2 was a Mary Sue, that Anakin was Mary Sue, that every single Jedi was a Mary Sue? Honestly, complaining that the main force user in a Star Wars movie is a good mechanic, great pilot, great shot, and is used by the Force whenever it is needed is a "Mary Sue" makes sense if someone has not watched a single other Star Wars movie.
The other equally important reason, if not a bigger reason for character development, is to have Finn fight. His fight is arguably more important because Rey has the force guiding her so she "knows" what she is doing and trusts the Force. Finn knows just how evil and perverse the First Order really is, and even further Finn knows just how purely evil and powerful Kylo Ren is since he was raised in the First Order and witnessed him in battle. The first 2 Acts of the movie are all about Finn going "feth these guys, they are pure unadulterated evil, I need to "nope that crap" and run, you need to run, anybody not running is stupid, why aren't you running yet, let's run". Finn knows he doesn't have the force, he knows he has no chance, he knows he has no hope, he knows he is fethed, but he stands up to Kylo Ren for his friend.
Yes, it also ties in to the "It's ANH all over again" complaint and is a more dramatic version of Han Solo's redemption story (I got my gold, feth you guys, you should be running....never mind, I'm gonna shoot Vader, you take that shot Luke and let's go home), but it's still more reasons for the fight other than "Mary Sue"
Luke has been covered already as NOT being a Mary Sue (in the impossible to fail sense)... If you think Luke is a mary Sue then im not sure which movie you watched... Anakin I simply dont care about. He too was terrible as is Rey.
Spoiler:
True, Fin was a little important to it, I got the impression he did his thing only so Rey could end up with the light saber... to have the fight.
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2015/12/18 19:42:05
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
They did wholesale recycle everything. Its basically ANH with some ESB and RotJ thrown in for flavor. I honestly didnt like the film all that much, its resemblance to Star Wars is superficial and skin deep. JJ did get some things right with the practical effects, but then so much of the film was buried under special effects tk make the practical ones almost irrelevant. It just doesnt feel like Star Wars, so much so that Im pretty sure you could swap out the characters and it would work as a (new) Star Trek film or as a new Guardians of the Galaxy film. Hell, Snoke pretty much felt like Thanos or Ronan to me.
In fact, I would say JJ made an Indiana Jones/OT Star Wars crowsover film. He rehashed the first story while turning Luke into the Crystal Skull, complete with Harrison Ofrds character having family issues with a kid played by a black haired Hayden Christensen/Shia LaBeouf hybrid.
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2015/12/18 19:51:58
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
I also noticed 1/2 way through it was a remake of a new hope.
the death of "you know who" was so bland. The bad guy seems more like a spoiled kid than a supposed sith lord, I guess that proves he is a skywalker. Way to go Luke, have a pupil fall to the darkside, just shrug and say "not my problem" then flee the scene.
It needed more space scenes though, seeing star destroyers in 3D was awesome, I wanted to see more of them. Apparently the rebel fleet only consisted of a few xwings and they all got to the planet ridding 4 or 5 to a xwing they have a big enough fleet to get them to the renamed yavin 4, but no ships to evacuate anyone while they just wait to die.
some kid in my aisle wasn't impressed, he fell asleep during the show if you see it in a theater with reclining chairs, don't get to comfortable
It was definitely an action packed movie though. For a 2 hour movie, I think all the dialog would fit on 1 double sided page
but if they're just redoing plots, the next movie really aught to be sweet.
2015/12/18 19:56:11
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
There's some holes but they are the typical star wars fare and it delivered everything I wanted out of the film, even if it retreads some of the same ground it's far more star wars than the last 3 abortions that Lucas directed. Every moment of this film I felt immersed in it and it felt like "the real" star wars that I grew up with as a kid and I completely loved it. It was a feeling that episodes 1-3 completely failed to deliver on.
The practical effects had a lot to do with that. 1-3 spent too much time trying to dazzle with the technology and everything looked to shiny and clean, TFA goes right back to the gritty used classic star wars and it was incredible. The landscapes almost made me cry they were so gorgeous and striking, I loved how Jakku felt so remote, empty and desolate it was everything I loved about the opening of new hope.
I loved the Starkiller planet with snow and arctic reflections of Hoth, stormtroopers just look so much more intimidating in that environment for some reason. Also fething awesome flame thrower stormtrooper!!!
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2015/12/18 20:25:44
Subject: Re:Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
1-3 spent too much time trying to dazzle with the technology and everything looked to shiny and clean, TFA goes right back to the gritty used classic star wars and it was incredible.
Did you just watch the same movie as me? Because these are my thoughts regarding TFA whereas the prequels felt a lot more lived in to me.
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2015/12/18 20:46:17
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
MWHistorian wrote:Saw it last night and loved every stinking second.
Agreed. Speaking as someone who grew up with the OT (ANH was the first movie I ever watched in a theater), this one was just as awesome. I think I'd put it right up there with TESB (maybe tied with ANH). No idea what movie some of you were watching - this one felt like it was actually STAR WARS again IMO.
paulson games wrote:I went to a 9am showing
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There's some holes but they are the typical star wars fare and it delivered everything I wanted out of the film, even if it retreads some of the same ground it's far more star wars than the last 3 abortions that Lucas directed. Every moment of this film I felt immersed in it and it felt like "the real" star wars that I grew up with as a kid and I completely loved it. It was a feeling that episodes 1-3 completely failed to deliver on.
The practical effects had a lot to do with that. 1-3 spent too much time trying to dazzle with the technology and everything looked to shiny and clean, TFA goes right back to the gritty used classic star wars and it was incredible. The landscapes almost made me cry they were so gorgeous and striking, I loved how Jakku felt so remote, empty and desolate it was everything I loved about the opening of new hope.
I loved the Starkiller planet with snow and arctic reflections of Hoth, stormtroopers just look so much more intimidating in that environment for some reason. Also fething awesome flame thrower stormtrooper!!!
Completely agree with all this. Re: holes... People forget how many holes there were in the OT. I love those three films with every fiber of my being, but watching them as an adult exposes how many parts of the films fans had to actually fill in to make sense of. Boba Fett is the perfect example: he's on screen for, what, 10 minutes total over two films, has a handful of lines and then gets dumped into the Sarlacc like a chump... He's only awesome because he looks like a badass and other people not named George Lucas actually appropriated him and created a new version for themselves - the Boba Fett we imagined was waaaaaay cooler than the Boba Fett that's actually on screen. The whole series is riddled with gaps like this that we as fans have filled in over the years - whether through playing with the action figures, reading the novels, or escaping into the video games.
All that to say, this one does have its problems...
Spoiler:
retreading elements of ANH, Finn's turn, Rey's Forcefulness, the whole final act feeling a bit rushed
but it was exciting, it was fun, it set up a TON of story lines for the next films, and it made me feel like I was a ten year old perched on the edge of my seat in darkening theater waiting for the crawl to start in ROTJ. I absolutely loved it.
2015/12/18 20:50:28
Subject: Star Wars The Force Awakens -- full of spoilers so beware !
Swastakowey wrote: Luke has been covered already as NOT being a Mary Sue (in the impossible to fail sense)... If you think Luke is a mary Sue then im not sure which movie you watched... Anakin I simply dont care about. He too was terrible as is Rey.
It's amusing that all you have done is complain about Rey when literally everybody else that actually knows anything about movies has done nothing but praise the character and Ridley's performance. (Mainly because she's easily the best character out of the lot).
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Gomez wrote: Re: holes... People forget how many holes there were in the OT.
It's because of these:
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Blood Angels, 
Ultramarines,
). I think he might develop into a really interesting character in the next movies. He has the "anger" part of the Dark-side down pat, but his conflict with the light side seems like a huge plot hook. Yes, he killed his father, but it didn't feel like it sealed the deal with the dark side like he was hoping...
chump... He's only awesome because he looks like a badass and other people not named George Lucas actually appropriated him and created a new version for themselves - the Boba Fett we imagined was waaaaaay cooler than the Boba Fett that's actually on screen. The whole series is riddled with gaps like this that we as fans have filled in over the years - whether through playing with the action figures, reading the novels, or escaping into the video games.
