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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Just watched it.

Where the feth was the Luke Skywalker line from the trailer:

"The force is strong in my family. I have it. My father has it. My sister has it. You have that power too."

If I'm not mistaken, that's the speech he gave Leia in RotJ as he explained that they were brother and sister. Just overdubbed to throw us all off!

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
I also want to know when Chewie gets a bowcaster, as he doesn't have one in the OT (he just welds things). Which would then explain Han never having used one before.

Definitely has one in RotJ

 Flashman wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
I also want to know when Chewie gets a bowcaster, as he doesn't have one in the OT (he just welds things). Which would then explain Han never having used one before.

Definitely has one in RotJ

He has one in Empire, too. You can briefly see him holding it when they go outside to kill the mynock when they're in the asteroid-worm.

Went ahead and watched A New Hope last week, boy - what a kind of crap movie. Like, really bad. I haven't watched 4/5/6 in about eight years, and 1/2/3 since they first came out in theaters (which were laughably bad).

Watched Force Awakens on Saturday - it was great from beginning to end.

Just to confirm, I watched Empire Strikes Back on Sunday, and wow, it is like, infinitely better than New Hope but about as entertaining as Force Awakens.

So my judgment call is that Force Awakens is probably about as good as ESB.

This doesn't say much, however, as none of the Star Wars movies are particularly good films.

Got to see this again in 3D and, having seen it in standard, it is totally worth upping for the 3D! They integrated it really well

Regarding the originals, I'm always torn whether 4 or 6 is my favorite... hard to choose between those for me! Then again they have a very similar plotline (even similar to the new movie, but with enough differences that I love them all)

Been thinking about that light-saber, and how come the cross guard didn't burn though the user's hand!

Dakka probably debated this months ago

but what's the deal with it? Looks as thought it would harm the user before anybody else.

 judgedoug wrote:
Went ahead and watched A New Hope last week, boy - what a kind of crap movie. Like, really bad. I haven't watched 4/5/6 in about eight years, and 1/2/3 since they first came out in theaters (which were laughably bad).

Watched Force Awakens on Saturday - it was great from beginning to end.

Just to confirm, I watched Empire Strikes Back on Sunday, and wow, it is like, infinitely better than New Hope but about as entertaining as Force Awakens.

So my judgment call is that Force Awakens is probably about as good as ESB.

This doesn't say much, however, as none of the Star Wars movies are particularly good films.

It's the curse of old movies. They do something stunning original for their time, but fourty or fifty years later dozensand dozens of movies have taken those ideas and refined and improved them. New movies are often strictly better than the films that inspired them.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Been thinking about that light-saber, and how come the cross guard didn't burn though the user's hand!

Dakka probably debated this months ago

but what's the deal with it? Looks as thought it would harm the user before anybody else.

Finn would disagree with that.

When Kylo Ren fights Finn, he proves just how deadly that crossguard can be. If you lock light sabres with your opponent, all you have to do is push harder and skewer your enemy on your crossguard.

It fethed Finn up pretty good, stabbed him right in the shoulder.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Been thinking about that light-saber, and how come the cross guard didn't burn though the user's hand!

Dakka probably debated this months ago

but what's the deal with it? Looks as thought it would harm the user before anybody else.

I think you're determined not to enjoy the new star wars. That lightsaber is fly and anyone who is brave (crazy) enough to use a standard lightsaber is brave (crazy) enough to add more pointy bits.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:
Yeah, eventually the star would collapse and explode In some way. But Starkiller seems to drain the star pretty quickly. That isn't enough time to cause an explosion.

we'll never know

Neil deGrass Tyson says that it will...would vaporize.

Someone and I don't know who did an interview on the lightsaber and said the crossguard weren't actually mini-lightsabers but were exhaust ports for the main ragged blade. I think it has to do with how crude the blade is compared to a normal lightsaber. This was why it burned Finn instead of simply slicing through him like a saber would.

 d-usa wrote:
I think the actor also stated that Kylo Ren is not a Sith.

In the movie he is referred to by Snoke as a "Ren Knight"

Starkiller Base is the film's major failing (as it also leads to the obvious ANH comparisons), but if you ignore the silly multiple planet destruction in different systems trick shot which actually isn't that much screen time, the idea of a larger Death Star hollowed out of a small planet is a bit easier to buy.

 Flashman wrote:
Starkiller Base is the film's major failing (as it also leads to the obvious ANH comparisons), but if you ignore the silly multiple planet destruction in different systems trick shot which actually isn't that much screen time, the idea of a larger Death Star hollowed out of a small planet is a bit easier to buy.

It's not much of a trick shot. Just need to split the beam at the correct angles and boom goes the dynamite.

I saw it with a buddy yesterday. I loved it. I thought that Ridley was excellent and outside of the time issues with hyperspace and the super weapons actual shot I think everything was spectacular.

I will say that Kylo Ren was amazing. Even when Driver took the helmet off I felt it really showed why we were seeing immature moments from him.

Remember, it's only 30 years since the deathstar blew up. At best Ren is 30 but more realistically he's probably early to mid 20's with Ridley being late teen/early 20's.

A lot of the decisions seemed excellent for what feels like the story going forward. Personally I really enjoyed it. I'm going to see it again in theatres at least once and probably twice. It's the star wars movie I wanted when I went to see Phantom Menace.

Col. Dash wrote:
Someone and I don't know who did an interview on the lightsaber and said the crossguard weren't actually mini-lightsabers but were exhaust ports for the main ragged blade. I think it has to do with how crude the blade is compared to a normal lightsaber. This was why it burned Finn instead of simply slicing through him like a saber would.

I agree with this, I'm quite certain they are exhaust ports. So all you need are mini X wings to fire torpedos in it to take it down.

I think his blade is designed to be like that, he doesn't have to hide and you know he's coming for you.

Ah, I like those explanations about the saber - very useful

Is Kylo Ren really not a Sith? There seemed to be a master and apprentice dynamic with him and Snoke, just like with the Sith of previous movies...

 RiTides wrote:
Ah, I like those explanations about the saber - very useful

Is Kylo Ren really not a Sith? There seemed to be a master and apprentice dynamic with him and Snoke, just like with the Sith of previous movies...

He wants to be, but I don't think he's progressed far enough in his training to warrant the title.

He hasn't earned a Darth yet, as far as we can see, though that may have changed by the time we see him again due to his most recent actions.

Kind of like a Sith Padawan then. Then again, no one calls Snoke Darth Snoke. So maybe he isn't a Sith either and we can finally bury that whole situation.

This image just popped up at 4chan...and...wow.



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Han and Leia are talking about their son. Leia is feeling guilty about what happened to her son, blames herself. Han tells her it's not her fault. Leia says 'Luke should have trained him, I should never have sent him off'

They seem to know who Snoke is, very familiar with him. Seems that Leia sent Ben off to train with Snoke and Snoke turned him to the dark side.

I Believe Luke was never his Master. Snoke may have portrayed himself as good until he was able to manipulate Ben (Kylo Ren)

 welshhoppo wrote:
Kind of like a Sith Padawan then. Then again, no one calls Snoke Darth Snoke. So maybe he isn't a Sith either and we can finally bury that whole situation.

But also nobody in the original trilogy called the Emperor Darth Sidious. When you are the supreme leader maybe even Darth isn't enough of a title...

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-11-biggest-differences-between-the-book-and-movie-v-1749329046

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:
Kind of like a Sith Padawan then. Then again, no one calls Snoke Darth Snoke. So maybe he isn't a Sith either and we can finally bury that whole situation.

But also nobody in the original trilogy called the Emperor Darth Sidious. When you are the supreme leader maybe even Darth isn't enough of a title...

That's because the Sith didn't exist in the movie canon until the Phantom Menace. So no Sith. No Sith Lord.


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-11-biggest-differences-between-the-book-and-movie-v-1749329046

Good read, helps the film make more sense.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Still say I wasn't completely thrilled with rei. Sure luke was also mary sue and Anakin was mary sue but rei never had any training whatsoever and just did all these force powers and even beat kylo ren in a duel.

Luke had no (combat) pilot training but he beat Vader in a dogfight and beat experienced bomber pilots at a torpedo run.

I wouldn't say it was beating Vader in a dogfight, because he didn't really, but his ability to use the Force to make an impossible shot is just something we all accept because he's Luke Skywalker. Of course, how he's able to fly an advanced starfighter after only "dusting crops" is another thing we just all accept. And then there is Anakin, who had no knowledge of the Force prior to meeting Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan but he's able to use it to pilot a podracer, something that no other human can do.

But a kick ass girl able to do awesome things like the other heroes? Total Mary Sue and too far-fetched.

I had more issues that rei was already good at everything in one episode (pilot, duel expert and decent with the force). Compare Rei to Finn who mostly just killed some guys and that's about it. He held back kylo ren for a short time and that's about it actually.

The whole bit in episode one was just crap (and we shouldn't compare the original trilogy or new trilogy to the prequel trilogy). I never liked how anakin just fell into a spaceship and blew up some space station because why not. If I remember Anakin built his own pod racer. Also Anakin was some big prophecy child. At the very least we should have a prophecy for rei I suppose.

Luke's only real big moment in 'A New Hope' was piloting one fighter and managing with guidance from obi wan's spirit ghost to shoot some missiles down a thermal exhaust port (and han solo still prevented darth vader from turning luke into something the empire's janitor had to wipe off the walls of the death star). That is seriously just about the only thing luke does noteworthy in the whole first film (I guess he also killed some tie fighters on the turret of the millennium falcon or something). If anything he has his hand held by han solo and obi wan.

Rei however barely even knows she's a jedi if she even knows, manages to jedi mind trick without prior knowledge of what that is, manages to fly really well and beat kylo ren in a duel. I mean I hope the force was using her but I feel like she became attuned to the force. It just feels like she had no clue she had force powers till two seconds ago and bam.

I suppose my point is it took 3 films in a basic training montage style in the 2nd film before luke became awesome. Rei accomplishes feats of awesome that were in the original trilogy (jedi mind trick) in mere seconds that took years of training for some of the best jedi to do. It's just so absurd. I suppose I could stand it more if she had a jedi trainer guiding her like yoda and obi wan guided luke. Hopefully luke becomes yoda for her and actually tempers her raw power and fine tunes it into skill.

 Sigvatr wrote:
This image just popped up at 4chan...and...wow.

Spoiler:

Text post:

Spoiler:

Reminder that Snoke is literally Darth Vader, but without Anakin.

Snoke's bizarre, rhythmless choral leitmotif is the same noise that can be heard at the 'opera': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLfGh2b_me0 where Sheev tells Anakin
>Darth Plagieus was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create... Life. He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
>The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

When Sheev got lifted up, his last act wasn't just to shock Anakin to death- it was to save the one he cared about most from dying. Vader. He used the Force to excise everything in the Dark Side that resided in Vader and give it a corporeal form separate from Anakin. Thus, Snoke came to be.

If true that's awesome yet massively creepy. Seriously mind freaking blown. Here I thought snoke's big reveal would be disappointing in comparison to kylo ren but that's actually more disturbing.

My impression is that she was a Jedi Padawan, one of the younglings and possibly the only survivor other than Luke of the New Jedi Order. Her memories were blocked somehow (there are precedents in the Legends EU) but are beginning to re-emerge or at the very least she's aware of some things on a subconscious level like mind tricks.

She may even be this generation's Chosen One. In fact thats a strong possibility, given that she is now one of the few known Force Sensitives remaining in the galaxy bar Snoke, Luke, Leia, Kylo Ren and that pirate lady Maz-whats-her-name. Theres a lot riding on Rey - she's the Light Side's only hope for the future, perhaps in the same way that Kylo Ren is Snoke's hope for the future.

And the Darth Vader theory is awesome, even more interesting and disturbing than Darth Jar Jar.

 RiTides wrote:
Ah, I like those explanations about the saber - very useful

Is Kylo Ren really not a Sith? There seemed to be a master and apprentice dynamic with him and Snoke, just like with the Sith of previous movies...

Snoke talks about the "Ren Knights" with him at one point in the film so I am assuming they are not Sith, but another group that uses the Dark Side.

I am thinking Kylo may not be the only "Ren Knight" in this. They could easily break away from the Rule of Two that has been so dominant.

Does getting help from the Force through a ghost somehow make it better? Isn't having your own force ghost with instructions and guidance more mary sue than tapping into the force directly?


Kylo Ren was in no position to win that lightsaber duel:

He had just taken a shot in the gut that would have killed most humans.

He had just suffered a lightsaber wound from a guy who got beat by a stormtrooper in hand to hand.

He wasn't trying to kill Rey. He was trying to convince her to turn.



Rey:

She has close combat experience with a melee weapon.

She was experiencing a deep connection with the force.

She was fighting for her life.

She had just seen her best (only?) friend 'die' in front of her along with another new friend (Han).

She was angry.



Luke flew a fighter even though he didn't have experience with those models. Rey flew a freighter even though she didn't have experience with those models.

Luke was taught that the force was a myth. He had to unlearn what he had learned. Rey wasn't taught anything and believes in the force. Confirmed to her by one of the legends she's held onto in her lonely life.

 Scrabb wrote:
Does getting help from the Force through a ghost somehow make it better? Isn't having your own force ghost with instructions and guidance more mary sue than tapping into the force directly?


Kylo Ren was in no position to win that lightsaber duel:

He had just taken a shot in the gut that would have killed most humans.

He had just suffered a lightsaber wound from a guy who got beat by a stormtrooper in hand to hand.

He wasn't trying to kill Rey. He was trying to convince her to turn.



Rey:

She has close combat experience with a melee weapon.

She was experiencing a deep connection with the force.

She was fighting for her life.

She had just seen her best (only?) friend 'die' in front of her along with another new friend (Han).

She was angry.



Luke flew a fighter even though he didn't have experience with those models. Rey flew a freighter even though she didn't have experience with those models.

Luke was taught that the force was a myth. He had to unlearn what he had learned. Rey wasn't taught anything and believes in the force. Confirmed to her by one of the legends she's held onto in her lonely life.

Actually, I disagree with a few things. I totally agree with you that Kylo was in no position to win that fight, but I have some theories regarding Rey and her ability to fly things.

I believe she is Luke's daughter or at least a padawan from his group. She looked very young in the flashback, but she could have still been taught a significant amount about ships. Also, given she was a scavenger, I think she probably had a lot of time to get familiar with ship components and what things are inside of a ship. I assume she had to know a few things to know what would sell the best. Luke himself seems to be a genius when it comes to ships, because as you mentioned, he had little experience with actually flying things in space but picked it up very quickly. So if Anakin's ability with machines passed to Luke, I believe Luke's ability with machines passed on to Rey.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Rae had worked on the falcon previously. She seems to know a bit about the problems with the hyperdrive. Almost as if she had done some work repairing it. Maybe that's why she knew it was "junk."