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So, my FLGS is about to order some stuff to FW, and the Chaos Knight is an option I'm considering it. I will probably get one regardless of the answer here but... I'd like to start toying around with some lists/points.

I read the previous thread regarding Chaos Knight shenanigans and it delved into a does it gains the benefit from the Daemon of X, which I really don't think it does and wouldn't play it like that. But I do would like to get some of the legacy rules to play around some gimmicky lists. The restriction for purchasing legacies is that the Daemon Engines including those listed there and vehicles with the daemonic possession and/or resilience are not allowed to take them.

The Chaos Knight isn't a daemon by default so no problem on paying the legacies I think, however as soon as you align it to a god it gains daemon, and even thou it isn't a daemon engine nor it has any restriction I'm not sure if I'd be able to take the legacies. RAW it seems to work, RAI I dunno...

I know these are experimental rules and may change once they become official but at this point what does Dakka think? Would you allow it?

An aligned Chaos Knight would clearly be considered a Daemon Engine. There is no official rule or term for Daemon Engine so it is just used to describe vehicles with the daemon rule and then it gives a list as an example of what Daemon Engines are.

 CrownAxe wrote:
An aligned Chaos Knight would clearly be considered a Daemon Engine. There is no official rule or term for Daemon Engine so it is just used to describe vehicles with the daemon rule and then it gives a list as an example of what Daemon Engines are.

Actually Daemon Engines is a section of IA13, so those are the models that are not allowed to purchase Legacies, which include those mentioned on the brackets. And actually now that I look at it, the chaos titans also have the option of being aligned to a daemon maybe I can find something else regarding legacies and titans.

And a bunch of the units refereed to as Daemon Engines aren't in the Daemon Engine section of IA13

I think it says models with Daemonic Possession are not allowed to purchase the Legacies of Ruin. Most daemon engines have that. But if the chaos Knights and kytan don't have that rule then they could purchase the legacies, if my memory is correct on the first point.

So long as it isn't aligned to one of the Chaos gods, take your legacy of ruin.

"Daemon Engines as well as any vehicle with Daemonic possession vehicle upgrade or the Daemonic Resiliance special rule may not take Legacies of Ruin". Hope that helps the debate one way or another.

On a seperate note, if a chaos knight can take Legacies, can an IK taken in the LoW section of of a SM/BA/DA/SW/GK list also have Legacies from IA:2?
It would seem if allowing one, you would have to allow the other.

It is not defined as a Daemon Engine and doesn't have Daemonic Possession, even if you align it to a god.

First War knight, here I come!

So I guess it comes down to if we consider an engine with the Daemon rule as a Daemon Engine.

As 'engine' isn't a rule term, its a fluff term... haha gotta love FW.

The thing is, a Khorne Daemonking Knight with the legacy of 1st war of Armageddon would be Really good, and exactly what I'm after. BUT that is a very shaky rules argument... so am not going to go for it.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
So I guess it comes down to if we consider an engine with the Daemon rule as a Daemon Engine.

As 'engine' isn't a rule term, its a fluff term... haha gotta love FW.

The thing is, a Khorne Daemonking Knight with the legacy of 1st war of Armageddon would be Really good, and exactly what I'm after. BUT that is a very shaky rules argument... so am not going to go for it.

Yes it would. After reading further into the IA13 I can't find any daemon engine outside the actual section of Daemon Engines in the book as mentioned before, even if there are no profiles for the maulerfiend, defiler, soul grinder, etc. they all get a little section on the Daemon Engines.

The titans get a separate section which would be the same category as a Knight, fluffwise they still have their mortal crew who commands them even when aligned with a god, this is mentioned in the Daemon Titans section, however further into the text it says that the mechanicus considers that these "Daemon Engines" are more controlled by daemons than by their mortal princeps. So... they are different as they are not 100% daemon, but they are mentioned as Daemon Engines.

I tried to find if a Daemon Titan is considered a Daemon Engine or if it could purchase any legacy... didn't find a thing