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2015/09/02 18:41:32
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Fixture of Dakka
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And let's take the next left on "perjury" road, and get back On Topic.
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2015/09/02 23:29:31
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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2015/09/03 00:33:42
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ohh, there's so many jokes that could be made with this lady... Seriously, at what point does she realize that "No" actually means "NO!!!"
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2015/09/03 00:51:09
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Ohh, there's so many jokes that could be made with this lady... Seriously, at what point does she realize that "No" actually means "NO!!!"
Maybe she is still with lawyer 1, but files an injunction drafter by lawyer 3, but which is countersigned by lawyer 2 when she fires lawyer 1?
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2015/09/03 05:57:01
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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I was waiting for someone to mention that 
This sets an awful precedent the longer this goes...
I really can't see this ending in any way that would make other people want to try the same stunt.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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2015/09/03 07:46:34
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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I hope this issue is finally settled today, resulting in a just but not cruel punishment for this woman's abrogation of her duties.
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2015/09/03 08:22:25
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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 d-usa wrote:Maybe she is still with lawyer 1, but files an injunction drafter by lawyer 3, but which is countersigned by lawyer 2 when she fires lawyer 1?
She's going through lawyers almost as fast as she went through husbands!
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2015/09/03 08:23:58
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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 Ouze wrote:There's no evidence she hasn't received death threats and honestly I'd be a little surprised if she hasn't.
Disbarring lawyers for taking unpopular cases or being supported by unpleasant people seems like the slipperiest of slopes to me.
It would be pretty surprising in the USA if someone who gets into a public controversy like this one did not receive a death threat. People receive death threats on XBox Live for camping on spawn points.
Now knowing her divorces occurred before she turned to religion, I do not regard that situation as hypocrisy. People are entitled to change their mind. They cannot change their past.
However the argument that their oaths of office do not cover gay marriage is specious. Their oaths were to uphold the law. When the law changed, if they could not in conscience uphold the revised law, they should have resigned honourably from their posts.
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2015/09/03 13:35:48
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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There is a 100% sure-fire, legal, and reasonable way of getting out of the marriage order from the judge. Resign.   Smacks wrote: d-usa wrote:Maybe she is still with lawyer 1, but files an injunction drafter by lawyer 3, but which is countersigned by lawyer 2 when she fires lawyer 1?
She's going through lawyers almost as fast as she went through husbands!
Zing!
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2015/09/03 15:08:42
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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 sebster wrote:
I was waiting for someone to mention that
This sets an awful precedent the longer this goes...
I really can't see this ending in any way that would make other people want to try the same stunt.
It's really not different from Sanctuary Cities...
The same calls to demand this clerk to do her fething job should be the same towards those who supports Sanctuary Cities.
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2015/09/03 15:12:23
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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True that.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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2015/09/03 15:17:15
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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I didn't realize that the idea behind Sanctuary Cities were based in weird interpretations of biblical scripture; I thought they were separate problems. Still, any chance to propagate one's political ideology in a storm I suppose.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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2015/09/03 15:19:14
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Stupid analogy is stupid.
I know it probably makes sense in the derposphere, but it has no basis in logic.
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2015/09/03 15:21:48
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Fixture of Dakka
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 Ahtman wrote:I didn't realize that the idea behind Sanctuary Cities were based in weird interpretations of biblical scripture; I thought they were separate problems. Still, any chance to propagate one's political ideology in a storm I suppose.
Pretty sure he was focusing on the 'refusals to do what their job and the law says they should do' part, and doesn't really care about the motivation for either.
On the other hand, some folks DO think the motivation is the deciding factor. "I won't do it 'cause God says" is bad, "I won't do it because I think enforcing immigration laws is racist" is good.
In the end, you have bureaucrats and elected officials not doing what they are supposed to do.
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2015/09/03 15:27:15
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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:salutes: to CptJake.
@Ahtman / @d-usa: You damn well knew what I was talking as we both tussled over that topic in the past. 
The point is, you can't have it both ways.
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Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
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2015/09/03 15:39:53
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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When there are laws requiring cities to enforce federal immigration laws then the analogy will be a little bit better. It will still be stupid, but it will be a little less stupid.
When cities stop enforcing all laws because they don't want to enforce some of them, then the analogy will also be a little less stupid.
When there is a legal requirement for a city to enforce federal laws and in response to that legal requirement the city shuts down their police department and stops enforcement of all laws, then the analogy would actually makes sense. But none of this is happening.
Until then all we have is people repeating stupid stuff they read in the Internet.
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2015/09/03 15:43:48
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
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2015/09/03 15:52:05
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Ahtman wrote:I didn't realize that the idea behind Sanctuary Cities were based in weird interpretations of biblical scripture; I thought they were separate problems. Still, any chance to propagate one's political ideology in a storm I suppose.
You're right. They are based on weird interpretation of compassion and rights of illegal foreigners but the effect and argument is the same. DO YOUR fething JOB.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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2015/09/03 16:02:33
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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You'll have to be more specific with your citation. I'm interested to see if the law actually removes prosecutorial discretion.
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2015/09/03 16:05:05
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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PM coming as I don't want to pull this discussion away from the OP.
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Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
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2015/09/03 16:54:14
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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he Kentucky Trial Court Review
Exclusive. Just conducted an interview with Cecil Watkins, the Rowan County Attorney. Watkins (who to my knowledge) hasn't given any interviews.
Watkins indicates that Kim Davis "does not represent" Rowan County and is not representative of its inclusive values.
From Day One, Watkins told David I "will not and cannot support" you in her defiance of the law. Not only that he was clear he would not represent her as the law in the case of same sex marriage is clear.
While he has no stance on same sex marriage, well-established federal law must be followed.
Watkins wanted to emphasize several other things.
First that everyone who works at the courthouse has endured cursing as they enter the building. And it's not just at her office. Everyone in the courthouse is scared to come to work.
Second that Liberty Counsel will leave Kim Davis high and dry when this charade is over. Watkins thinks the funds they raise off the case should go to Rowan County.
Finally and most importantly he has learned that deputy clerks would issue lawful marriage licenses. They are simply afraid to do so. And if Judge Bunning instructs them to do so . . . they will.
Davis has put, in the words of Watkins, her employees and everyone in the courthouse in a "terrible position."
Watkins, in his role as the County Attorney, will be in court tomorrow for the hearing at 11:00 in Ashland. He is pictured being sworn in.
Ed. Note - The takeaways from the Watkins interview are clear. Davis is acting alone in her zealous mission. Her conduct has terrorized not just her staff but everyone that works in the courthouse. And all for a foolish mission aided by out of state charlatan lawyers trying to raise money for their "religious liberty" mission.
Shannon Ragland
Kentucky Trial Court Review
I'll grant you she does have something of a resemblance to Kathy Bates in "Misery" but she's never struck me as being especially scary.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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2015/09/03 17:10:22
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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 lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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2015/09/03 17:13:18
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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sebster wrote:
I was waiting for someone to mention that
This sets an awful precedent the longer this goes...
I really can't see this ending in any way that would make other people want to try the same stunt.
Shes a Democrat only in the tradition that most of the south were "Democrats" durring the civil war.
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2015/09/03 17:15:39
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Time for the "persecution of Christians has begun, we are jailed for our faith" to begin on my Facebook.
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2015/09/03 17:17:46
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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What are we? Ancient rome now? Jeeze, next they're going to claim they're going to be fed to the Lions.
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2015/09/03 17:17:58
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Definitely not the outcome I had hoped for.
Ideally I'd like to believe she is honest when she says that her conscience doesn't permit her to do so, and she would step down.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
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2015/09/03 17:21:05
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Yea the mainstream news websites are starting to update their headline bulletins, she's been found in contempt and taken into custody.
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2015/09/03 17:21:56
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Ouze wrote:Definitely not the outcome I had hoped for.
Ideally I'd like to believe she is honest when she says that her conscience doesn't permit her to do so, and she would step down.
Contempt of court is a really serious crime, its just painfully easy to avoid
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2015/09/03 17:23:01
Subject: Re:Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Sure, but I hoped it wouldn't have gone this far.
5 of her clerks are being allowed 30 minutes to confer if they want to issue licenses, or join her in jail.
If they are all absent, the local judge can issue licenses as the office would be considered "vacant". The local judge previously stated they'd be willing to but worried about the legality while the clerk's office was capable of doing so.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
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2015/09/03 17:28:16
Subject: Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses
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Smart of the judge to realize in the days of Kickstarter and GoFundMe, that Fines wouldnt be much of a punishment
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