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Dman137 wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
Dman: forum-theoryhammer 40k is not actually a winnable game. If you want people to acknowledge the list, show some real evidence. Batreps and tourney results mainly. The more detailed the better.

However, please continue trying to convince other eldar players that wraithknights are bad. I would love to see less of them.

I plan on putting up some bat-reps after this up coming event, last event I wish I had takin some pics/videos my list walked tru every army (my 1500pt list, I've put that list up before for reference) the event was Astronomicon. Came in second for general (final table I have my opponent down to 2 models but he was still holding a objective I was holding one but failed 2 3+ saves and lost my objective, tho I found out after that my opponent cheated and I had no idea) that cost me 1st overall by 3 points.

As for the wraithnights I'm just trying to open people's eyes to the fact that there are way better options to take other then a wraithnight. But clearly the message isn't getting tru lol

Getting through*

But honestly, that's because there aren't many things in this game that can do all that the Wraithknight can do, while being as survivable as the Wraithknight is. That, and it being the only Gargantuan creature in strict GW published material for 'normal' 40k is also a huge argument in its favor. It's the only unit in the game right now that gets all those benefits. There's nothing in the game that's on the Wraithknight's level.

 Julnlecs wrote:
It's because there isn't better options.

For 295 points I can take 3 units of 5 warpspiders thy alone is already better lol for 315pts I can't make it a aspect host formation so now they are bs5 spiders. I'll take that over a knight anyday of the week

Come to LVO I'll smash this list with daemons.

I'll just avoid assassin and kill all the scat bikes and hemlock in one turn. Haha

this is a bad thread all around

Two hive fleet detachments for reroll on IB chart
Five dakka flyrants with egrubs
6 mucolids
Four mawlocs

60 str 6 twin linked shots on an FMC platform.
Four deep striking pie plates that most of the time with hit your units with two str 6 ap2 ignore cover pie plates starting on turn two. You can even null deploy with only six trash units with 2+ cover in ruins in every corner of the deployment zone.

 Masos wrote:
Come to LVO I'll smash this list with daemons.

I'll just avoid assassin and kill all the scat bikes and hemlock in one turn. Haha

Lol good luck with that, I'd castle in a corner with the whole army and have the assassin sit right in front, good luck getting close to me lmao

May I introduce you to my good friend, the Leman Russ Eradicator? S6 AP4 ignores cover large blast poops on jetbikes man. I still need to build a pair of them, but they are great against eldar and tau. They are also the cheapest russ variant, allowing for lots of upgrades like melta melta Lascannon sponsons. That and a platoon to screen it makes a lot of that list not so scary. the only thing I'm worried about is the hemlocks, and even those can be brought down with the insane AA that guard has. This list is by no means unbeatable.

Skribl wrote:
May I introduce you to my good friend, the Leman Russ Eradicator? S6 AP4 ignores cover large blast poops on jetbikes man. I still need to build a pair of them, but they are great against eldar and tau. They are also the cheapest russ variant, allowing for lots of upgrades like melta melta Lascannon sponsons. That and a platoon to screen it makes a lot of that list not so scary. the only thing I'm worried about is the hemlocks, and even those can be brought down with the insane AA that guard has. This list is by no means unbeatable.

May I introduce you to my armour save of 3+ on the bikes, so ignores cover really doesn't matter lol

Unbeatable? Nah. I'll beat you...

A better Farseer skyrunner: shard, stones


A better Autarch Skyrunner: lance,mask


A better 7 scatbikes
A better Warlock.

A better 3 scatbikes
A better 3 scatbikes
A better 3 scatbikes
A better 3 scatbikes
A better 3 scatbikes

A better Hemlock

A better Hemlock

A better Culexus assassin

A better Aspect host formation
A better 6x swooping hawks /extarch
A better 5x spiders/ extarch
A better 5x spiders/ extarch

A better 1x heavy weapon platform (D-cannon)

A better 1x heavy weapon platform (D-cannon)




See... i can beat it.

hard counter..... have you met my sledge hammer? jks...

but no there are counters to it, you just seems to deploy X way and nulify it. which wont always work. i still think flyrant+mawloc spam would give it a good go. even tau to some degree would cause you trouble (if done right). mostly for you its a luck game.. you could roll back to back 1-2's all game and loose.

Wow! this is Abit silly guys...

It's a strong list, but again it will depend on the mission, terrain and enemy list.

Three heldrakes plus a chaos lord burning blade would own it. Throw in a Comms relay to make sure they come in. Hemlocks can't touch the drakes and they will guaranteed delete a bike unit per turn. The bikes aren't going to shoot them down

 Lord Corellia wrote:

Dman137 wrote:

6x swooping hawks /extarch
5x spiders/ extarch
5x spiders/ extarch

This here is all the proof I need of the op's vast and unrivaled knowledge of Eldar...

Thats extarded

Btothefnrock wrote:
Unbeatable? Nah. I'll beat you...

A better Farseer skyrunner: shard, stones


A better Autarch Skyrunner: lance,mask


A better 7 scatbikes
A better Warlock.

A better 3 scatbikes
A better 3 scatbikes
A better 3 scatbikes
A better 3 scatbikes
A better 3 scatbikes

A better Hemlock

A better Hemlock

A better Culexus assassin

A better Aspect host formation
A better 6x swooping hawks /extarch
A better 5x spiders/ extarch
A better 5x spiders/ extarch

A better 1x heavy weapon platform (D-cannon)

A better 1x heavy weapon platform (D-cannon)




See... i can beat it.

I was waiting to see this LOL

Flyrant
Flyrant
Flyrant
Flyrant
Flyrant
(1200)

Dakkafex
Dakkafex
(300)

Tyrannocyte
Tyrannocyte
(150)

Mucolid
Mucolid
Mucolid
(45)

Mawloc
(140)

1835 points

Lictor shame is the list I've had the hardest time playing against/beating tho I've inly played against it twice. First game I got man handled lol second game I manhadle them so I'm 50/50 on it, but mawlocks are the bane to bikes for sure, flyrants don't scare me, mawlocks do tho lol especially when the lictors make them not scatter lol


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raoiley wrote:
Three heldrakes plus a chaos lord burning blade would own it. Throw in a Comms relay to make sure they come in. Hemlocks can't touch the drakes and they will guaranteed delete a bike unit per turn. The bikes aren't going to shoot them down

Helldrakes are pretty annoying but I've delt with them pretty well, last game I played a guy that brought 2 drakes, 2 flying nurgle princes and a typhon lol it was a hard fight the game came down to who got first blood lol

I know it's something you probably won't see unless at tournamenets but Y'VARHA battlesuits would be super bad. Only a 6" torrent but you get two of them if you over charge. Both flamer shots have to be resolved against the same target but each of them could delete a bike unit per turn. Addtionally tetras and early warning override fire base support cadre. If you could get all of it into a list it would be hard for you to beat I think. Also they can go into swooping mode so could avoid those hemlocks. And they have a haywire gun which could be used against the Flyers. In general I think this unit would be good against your list, the only cavoit being that they are experimental rules, and all us tau players know what happened to the R'VARNA's rules when they became official so it's possible something lame could happen to these guys too.

That being said its only a strict counter to this list. Don't know how well it would do in tournaments. I unfortunately work all the time(the steel industry never sleeps) so playing every day or even once a week is difficult.


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The eldar have a sting codex, but it is by no means unbeatable. Generals make the list, not the other way around. Good luck in your tournaments. I root for Necrons always(my first army) so I won't be pulling for you, but not out of malice. Just out of love for my steel murder machines from the before time and the long long ago.

Epartalis wrote:
I know it's something you probably won't see unless at tournamenets but Y'VARHA battlesuits would be super bad. Only a 6" torrent but you get two of them if you over charge. Both flamer shots have to be resolved against the same target but each of them could delete a bike unit per turn. Addtionally tetras and early warning override fire base support cadre. If you could get all of it into a list it would be hard for you to beat I think. Also they can go into swooping mode so could avoid those hemlocks. And they have a haywire gun which could be used against the Flyers. In general I think this unit would be good against your list, the only cavoit being that they are experimental rules, and all us tau players know what happened to the R'VARNA's rules when they became official so it's possible something lame could happen to these guys too.

That being said its only a strict counter to this list. Don't know how well it would do in tournaments. I unfortunately work all the time(the steel industry never sleeps) so playing every day or even once a week is difficult.


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The eldar have a sting codex, but it is by no means unbeatable. Generals make the list, not the other way around. Good luck in your tournaments. I root for Necrons always(my first army) so I won't be pulling for you, but not out of malice. Just out of love for my steel murder machines from the before time and the long long ago.

A friend of mine is doing a list like that lol we were talking about it yesterday, we haven't played yet but I'm sure it would be a intersting match.
It's funny that you say your in the steel industry, I work for a company that only works with metals lol so necrons could be a possible army in the future, supper fast to paint haha

That list has lots of fire power for a Nid list but that could easily be swapped out for 4 mawlocs and a lictor or two to help deep strike as lictors may infiltrate or deep strike without scatter depending on who gets first turn etc and deployment. So lots of wounds high toughness majority can jink and is highly mobile, mucolids can also be very dangerous.

I work for Kloeckner Metals. I know we used to have a branch in Rosebud Michigan back when the company was Namasco. I believe that's as far north as we ever got, but we are an international company. If you ever need steel or any kind of metal for that matter give me a shout. We have branches all over the country and I have a great deal of contacts within the industry.

One the subject of 40k, please post batreps. I'm interested to how these kinds of lists do, and if you buddy runs his tau tell him to post. Would love to see some nicely painted yvarhs in action.

Dman137 wrote:
Lictor shame is the list I've had the hardest time playing against/beating tho I've inly played against it twice. First game I got man handled lol second game I manhadle them so I'm 50/50 on it, but mawlocks are the bane to bikes for sure, flyrants don't scare me, mawlocks do tho lol especially when the lictors make them not scatter lol


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raoiley wrote:
Three heldrakes plus a chaos lord burning blade would own it. Throw in a Comms relay to make sure they come in. Hemlocks can't touch the drakes and they will guaranteed delete a bike unit per turn. The bikes aren't going to shoot them down

Helldrakes are pretty annoying but I've delt with them pretty well, last game I played a guy that brought 2 drakes, 2 flying nurgle princes and a typhon lol it was a hard fight the game came down to who got first blood lol

And lets be real, that second game was because I got careless and fried my Tyrants brain and made him kiss dirt just to go after a D cannon that had no bearing.

I think the 4 flyrant, death leaper, 2 lictors, 2 mucloids and 3 mawloc list would butt rush Scat spam.

my friend plays that same list. he is pretty good and useually kicks butt. i beat it with my thunderfire cannon artillery list

Dman137 wrote:

 Masos wrote:
Come to LVO I'll smash this list with daemons.

I'll just avoid assassin and kill all the scat bikes and hemlock in one turn. Haha

Lol good luck with that, I'd castle in a corner with the whole army and have the assassin sit right in front, good luck getting close to me lmao

Then would you lose as he grabbed all the objectives... FYI assassin in front will not help your cause. He can send in Grimoire hounds 20 strong, or even screamers, knock out assassin by poking him with a pillow, and then free cast to destroy your army, mean while on the other side of the board, nurglings, horrors, or whatever is camping/holding objectives, you leave your corner prior to assassin dead, and he buffs a unit and comes and kills you.

Is this thread for real? It is hysterical...

I'll throw my hat in the ring. This is a variation of a list I'll be playing in 2 weeks locally. Its been tailored from double RSR to single RSR double hosts. The original has more MSU and anti armour but the basic concept is the same, hate out a few matches at the expense of others and go underneath deathstars.

lhamaean

4 mandrakes
4 mandrakes
3 mandrakes

5 warriors, venom- 2 sc
5 warriors, venom- 2 sc
5 warriors, venom- 2 sc

raider, dc, ns
raider, dc, ns
raider, dc, ns
raider, dc, ns
raider, dc, ns
raider, dc, ns

ravager disi cannons, ns
ravager disi cannons, ns
ravager disi cannons, ns

Aspect Host x 2
3 dark reapers bs 5, exarch- starshots
3 dark reapers bs 5, exarch- starshots
3 dark reapers bs 5, exarch- starshots
3 dark reapers bs 5, exarch- starshots
3 dark reapers bs 5, exarch- starshots
3 dark reapers bs 5, exarch- starshots

Tsilber wrote:
Is this thread for real? It is hysterical...

And somewhat surreal in the context of this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/661035.page

Simple.

Typhus.
377 Zombies

1848 pts.

I won't win the game by any means. But between making sure that every zombie is perfectly 2" apart, moving them individually 6" each, and packing each one away with delicate care as you destroy them in droves. I'll win morally.

I'm already wasting my time playing CSM against eldar. May as well waste yours too.

exalted...

Dman, at this point, no one deploys a WK in the open with SkyHammer coming, presumably with GravGun Devs. So, given a RTT or GT's terrain, a 4+ Cover is likely. Tiggy with those Devs to get Perfect Timing? Possibly. Likely? Not in my experience. One army in a GT with Tiggy and Centurions.

My WK ate that unit in h2h. He did make a mistake and gave the WK Scouting scouts to eat turn 1, which then 'slingshot' the WK toward Tiggy and his Centies.

I didn't encounter any at BAO. Your statement (paraphrasing) that eldar players with Sword and Shield are foolish ... dude, ITC ruled that ranged D is out. Most of us West Coast players are using our WKs with GhostGlaive and Shimmer Shield due to that ruling. I see the maple leaf on your name, but be now informed, ITC has impact.

Arguably, the WarpSpider is the best unit in the game. Scatbikes maybe tied for that spot. 3rd? The WK. Not just my opinion, but one of the ITC guys, at tourney organizer and player. Some dude whose name is synonymous with a candy.

Maybe E.T. ate them in the movie.

And your list makes me not poop my drawers at all:

Farseer onna bike Stone Anath, spear
x5 Scatbikes
x4 Scatbikes
x3 Scatbikes

Aspect Host
x9 Spiders
x6 Hawks
x6 Reapers with Starshot

WK

Riptide - Ion, FB, EWO, EarthCaste reroll
x3 dual plasma suits, EWO
Cmdr dual plasma, EWO

I'm a crappy general, finishing mid-range in tourneys, but your list doesn't make me scratch my head on how to beat it.

Yeah, I'm on the boat with TF's, and nocover masses that sill deny Jinks. Massed shots can eliminate your not-so-hot model count...

Bikes have great speed, yet if they can't hide from a general whose deployment and weapons keep them firing at full potential, the numbers will fall short.

They are impressive, them bikes, but some lists can ignore them and mass'em over the course of many turns.

Didn't you say the tournament is two sources? I don't see the solo warlock or second far seer it's a war convo, and if it's not, then you have a formation, a cad, and an assassin.

There, I countered your army without a list!

:p